ThomWV
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Sun Dec-30-07 08:15 AM
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Poll question: Which of our Candidates do you think Republicans would find least objectionable? |
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Edited on Sun Dec-30-07 08:18 AM by ThomWV
I'm in a poll sort of mood this morning. Hope you are too.
Next November's election may be an odd one. The Republican Party is in trouble. We can expect many Republicans to stay home and many that do go to the polls to crossover for the Democrat. Either way a large Republican turnout is not to be expected. Just the opposite should be true for the Democrats. You'll see few crossovers and turnout should be massive. Everything is in place for a true landslide but that overall turnout probably will not be especially high.
Considering their positions on the issues and popular perception which of the Democratic Candidates do you think would take the greatest Republican crossover. Note, I don't care who you want to win, just who you think would be least objectionable to Republicans.
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Sun Dec-30-07 08:18 AM
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1. Biden. My take on this is, of course, purely subjective |
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but I think Biden comes off in such a colloquial no nonsense way, that he'd wear well with those who aren't hopelessly lost.
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Sun Dec-30-07 08:23 AM
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3. Yep, he's real good for those who need a 'father figure' too. |
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Plus the guy's gone one hell of a personal story, experience, and Democrats seem to find him very acceptable as well.
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Sun Dec-30-07 08:22 AM
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2. I think it depends on what "type" of Repug we're talking about. |
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Christian Conservative types, I know a few that would support Edwards.
War hawk, Vets..American Legion types could support Biden, Richardson
Greedy, Money Changing, Banking Types could support Biden, Dood, Hillary, or Obama
Just my 2 cents...
I picked Biden in your poll...
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ThomWV
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Sun Dec-30-07 08:25 AM
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5. Agree - however I don't see a many going to Kucinich no matter what, Clinton either |
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I keep thinking about the straight up hatred for just the Clinton name and I know that will hurt Hillary. Dennis doens't stand a chance with any of them.
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Sun Dec-30-07 08:28 AM
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7. You might be surprised |
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Look how many Republican voters ended up praising the film "Sicko." Labels like left, right, liberal conservative are mean't to obsfigate issues. You look at Kucinich's issues and give them a fair chance at being heard; you'd be surprised.
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Sun Dec-30-07 08:43 AM
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11. Nope. Dennis is waaaay too liberal |
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I have several moderate to conservative Republicans in my family. One of them actually is a fan of Al Gore and his Inconvenient Truths...I can tell you this..They would rather die than vote for Kucinich. And shockingly they think the same of Hillary, better to die than vote for her....Too liberal..(yeah I know most here wouldn't say that). Trust me, most Republicans have much different priorities than us...Including some that say that no one has a "right" to health coverage...something that shocked the hell out of me...
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Sun Dec-30-07 09:04 AM
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12. As I said many Republicans were impressed with Sicko. |
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Edited on Sun Dec-30-07 09:06 AM by cyclezealot
Likely not the Republicans who are still comfortable and rich. Believe it or not, not all Republicans are comfortable and rich. Just most of them. Again the use of labels is something used as a form of mind control . Let DK argue issues, you'd be surprised. In fact, Kucinich's first run for Congress, when he beat the incumbent Rep . Hoke he got a considerable amount of Republican vote. ( of course, not the hard core.) But, with his large re-election margins and some of the suburbs predominately Republican, I am sure he garners more Republican vote than you might think possible. / The question will be will the Replican's use of labels allow them to slander him this time.
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ThomWV
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Sun Dec-30-07 09:11 AM
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13. I've really got to disagree with you |
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This part, "Believe it or not, not all Republicans are comfortable and rich. Just most of them." Nope. Most of them are not comfortable and rich. If that is all the Republican's had they would not win elections. Most Republican's are certainly not rich, they are voting against their own economic interests in many cases. Many are not comfortable either, a great deal of the Republican vote comes from the discomfort of racial and class hatred. Picture, this: Poor white trash and Bush/Cheney bumper stickers. See any comfort or wealth in that picture?
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Sun Dec-30-07 09:21 AM
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15. I think most Republicans are a selfish lot. |
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. Until it is their turn to go without. Then they might change priorities. One thing is sure. Republicans might also be victimized by Health insurance gatekeepers. Aetna, Prudential do not have the vision to treat Republicans better than Democrats. / Of course the super evangelical lot. I think they'd be out there praising Jesus and condemning liberals , even from a homeless shelter.
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Sun Dec-30-07 10:07 AM
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23. No disagreement with that one. It is the once characteristic I see most often in them. |
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Sun Dec-30-07 10:21 AM
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28. The Republican/freeper/fundie |
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I know who thinks that Health Insurance is NOT a right is a low to middle class Pennsylvanian farmer type....And he would never vote for Kucinich...Hell many of the dems in my family (many from Cleveland, Ohio btw) wouldn't vote for Dennis unless they had no choice. Most of them don't vote on one issue..they think he's a good rep but as commander and chief and foreign policy/security (which are big concerns with the RW remember) they find him well...I'll let this family quote speak for itself "I shiver to think what would have happened to this country after 9/11 if that tree-hugger Gore had been President". Respecting someone on ONE issue is FAAAR different from actually voting for him/her for President...
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Sun Dec-30-07 08:25 AM
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4. I'm surprised to be the first Edwards vote. |
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I think Republicans would like him for all the wrong reasons but when did reason ever interfere with Republican voters.
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Sun Dec-30-07 09:40 AM
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19. I think Edwards also. |
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The fact he is a windsock would only require they use the MSM to influence his decisions. He will go where they can convince him the votes are. The fact the GOPers control the MSM would allow them to control him.
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Sun Dec-30-07 09:43 AM
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20. I think a great deal of John Edwards. But Republicans see |
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a white man from the South. It's likely they don't hear a thing he says.
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Sun Dec-30-07 08:26 AM
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6. Should you believe in the saying. Follow the money |
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So much of the money that once went to George Bush is now going Hillary's way. So if their money is going her way, why their votes.
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Sun Dec-30-07 08:35 AM
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8. A difficult question.. |
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Many of the republicans that I know have voiced interest in Obama and Edwards. Having said that, all most all spout an unending Hatred of Hillary. From what I can see.. there's going to be a number of "blue collar" republicans crossing party lines depending on who wins the primaries. (no.. I'm not against Hillary)
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Sun Dec-30-07 08:35 AM
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9. i read your poll wrong |
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can i change my vote for biden? i thought you meant bushie type repukes, not disenchanted voters. my bad Biden is the one. he'll win.
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Sun Dec-30-07 08:37 AM
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10. Richardson is a populist-leaning liberal. |
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But he is closer to the center than other Democratic candidates. He strongly favors the death penalty and three strikes laws. He favors enforcement of drug abuse laws, an absolute right to gun ownership, and allowing churches to provide welfare services. He strongly favors getting the US out of Iraq but favors expanding the armed forces.
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Sun Dec-30-07 09:28 AM
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17. That's very well reasoned. I don't think they think like that. |
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I think the calculation is, Hil is a Clinton, Richardson is visibly Latino, Biden is east coast elite, Obama is black. That's why I picked Edwards for this poll.
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Sun Dec-30-07 10:42 AM
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30. You are exactly right, Pat. |
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I waxed too methodical, forgetting what knuckleheads we're dealing with. I stand corrected.
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Sun Dec-30-07 09:18 AM
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14. Clinton Shares their Warmongering... they love a good war! |
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Sun Dec-30-07 10:01 AM
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but then coming from someone who wrote that Feminists are sexists and rude and snotty, what can one expect?
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Sun Dec-30-07 10:18 AM
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27. Cross posting aye.. oh well.. I seen her voting record.. so did everyone. |
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Sun Dec-30-07 09:27 AM
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16. I am an Edwards supporter, but I honestly think Biden. |
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That makes for a good second spot on the ticket for Joe, imho.
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Sun Dec-30-07 09:33 AM
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From my canvassing, if a person still calls themselves a Repugnican, they're sute to stay that way. Be it Rudy or Willard The Rat or the Huckster...they're going down with the ship, just like they've followed boooshie over the abyss like Lemmings. If their candidate doesn't win the nomination, many will still join ranks around the party nominee I suspect we'll see a lot more no-shows this year.
The people who are open to voting for Democrats claim to be "Independent"...many who voted for boooshie and Repugnicans in the past, but fell off the wagon for one reason or another. Some left for Iraq, other for defecit spending and still others to more fringe causes. It's these people who are open to either a Democrat such as Obama or Edwards (sorry Hillary)...or a Ron Paul. One thing for certain is they're fed up with the national Repugnican party.
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Sun Dec-30-07 10:05 AM
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22. Why would you even ask this? |
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Are we supposed to promote a candidate now based on whether he/she can persuade republicans to vote for him?
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Sun Dec-30-07 10:10 AM
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26. I don't know about you but I take everything I can think of into consideration myself |
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I do not cast my vote for the first crow that flys over the field. I take many things into consideration when I cast my vote. One of those things is that I ask myself if I may be throwing my vote away, casting it for someone who can not win in favor of someone who's policy positions most closly match my own. I can bend a bit on policy toward electability if the need be. So, yes, in that sense trying to get a feel for the vote count does matter to me.
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Sun Dec-30-07 02:59 PM
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I've seen where voting based on self-perceived electability gets a person and I want no part of it. I prefer "to thine own self be true". It's more honest and less complicated that way. It would appear that you are assuming that if the candidate becomes republican-lite that the left wing demos will either be forced to vote for them anyway or you figure you'll just replace the left wing voters of the party with republican-lites. That's something we won't know for sure till after probably the 2012 presidential election.
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Sun Dec-30-07 10:08 AM
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24. If Huckabee is nominated, BIDEN would pull maximum Repubs. |
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Huckabee would lock up all the anti-choice, anti-science, pro-fiscal irresponsiblity, pro-rapist, pro-criminal, Jesus-rode-a-dinosaur voters, but I think Biden would have a shot at everyone else. I think some Repubs will be looking for experience and effective government, and Biden would be enticing to them.
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Sun Dec-30-07 10:09 AM
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25. "least objectionable" in the sense of Rethugs-beating-the-crap out of our candidate?!1 n/t |
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Sun Dec-30-07 10:33 AM
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29. Republicans? Biden (nope), Clinton (are you kidding- a woman), Obama (a black guy) |
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NO NO NO, the repukes would never vote for either Hillary (A WOMAN!!!) nor Obama (An African American).
The repukes want a white guy from the middle of the country. We should try running the same (Edwards) if we want the election to be close, much less if we'd like to win.
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Sun Dec-30-07 10:44 AM
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31. moderates could stomach Biden(in private), maybe Dodd. NEOs & Twirly-eyed wouldn't support ANY |
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