Folks this is an astonishing admission

[Ugnmoose]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/02/opinion/02kean.html?_r=1&ex=1357016400&en=8860409215ffb2a9&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&oref=slogin

The Co-Chairmen of the 9-11 Commission writing an Op-Ed piece in the N.Y. Times today claiming that they now believe that the White House and CIA obstructed their investigation.

snip

"As a legal matter, it is not up to us to examine the C.I.A.’s failure to disclose the existence of these tapes. That is for others. What we do know is that government officials decided not to inform a lawfully constituted body, created by Congress and the president, to investigate one the greatest tragedies to confront this country. We call that obstruction".

If this does not give rise to re-opening the investigation - nothing will. I am not holding my breath!

[warrior1]

1. Gee

we knew that while it was happening yet they said nothing at the time.

[aquart]

3. Falls kinda flat, doesn't it?

[Enrique]

17. you knew these tapes existed?

I didn't. :shrug:

[gratuitous]

18. Not that these destroyed tapes existed

But that the administration was giving something less than its full cooperation with the commission. And that the commission was exhibiting all the inquisitiveness of a professional wrestling referee.

[babylonsister]

2. And that op ed might have inspired this breaking news:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/01/us_to_launch_criminal_probe_of.php

U.S. to launch criminal probe of CIA tapes

REUTERS
Reuters North American News Service

Jan 02, 2008 14:30 EST

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Justice Department said Wednesday it will launch a criminal investigation intothe CIA's destruction of videotapes depicting the harsh interrogation of terrorism suspects.

The CIA last month disclosed that it had destroyed in 2005 hundreds of hours of tapes from the interrogations of two al Qaeda suspects, prompting an outcry from Democrats, human rights activists and some legal experts.

The interrogations, which took place in 2002, were believed to have included a form of simulated drowning known as waterboarding, condemned internationally as torture.

President Bush has said the United States does not torture but has declined to be specific about interrogation methods.

The Justice Department launched an initial inquiry last month. The CIA said it had no immediate comment.

[Laelth]

39. I can't prove this, but ...

I think we're seeing an all-out war between the CIA and the Bush Administration. The Administration is retaliating against the CIA for releasing the truth in the Iran NIE that says Iran abandoned its nuclear program years ago. The CIA exposed the Administration as the lying fear-mongers that we know they are, so the Administration is trying to burn the CIA by blaming them (not the White House) for both torture and the 9-11 cover-up.

Personally, I'm pulling for the CIA as the lesser of two evils in this fight.

:popcorn:

-Laelth

[pberq]

43. that makes a lot of sense n/t

[Truth2Tell]

44. Yep, I've been thinking this also.

The torture tapes story is also part of this business.

[AwakeAtLast]

45. If that's the case, hang on to your hats

the gloves will be off and they will not care whether it's an election year or not. It will be a fight to the death!

Hand me some of that :popcorn:

[leveymg]

49. More likely CIA housekeeping, which is also revealing WH dirty hands

in the 9/11 coverup.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

60. Puts new meaning to this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2579317

[neuvocat]

66. I've been thinking that for a different reason.

After Valerie Plame was outed I think the spooks got highly pissed. Maybe it started there.

[lakercub]

69. I agree with you

but isn't it frightening when the CIA is the lesser of two evils?

[Laelth]

70. Yes. That truly is frightening.

But there it is.

:patriot:

-Laelth

[endarkenment]

4. Why obstruct if there is nothing to hide?

What would they have to hide about 9-11?

What would they have to hide about 9-11?

What would they have to hide about 9-11?

What would they have to hide about 9-11?

[Amonester]

57. Letting It Happen On Purpuss...

Or just MIHOP.

[Subdivisions]

5. Indeed.

[Blarch]

6. I would suggest a question...

a question to all candidates..

"After recent revelations from the 9-11 chair about obstruction in the 9-11 probe, as`President would you launch a new investigation to bring the truth to the American people ?"

[redqueen]

7. Oh now that's just cruel...

:evilgrin:

[ConcernedCanuk]

19. What a ridiculous question -

.
.
.

Who will admit they planned it this way?

THINK

[Blarch]

20. planned what ?

puff puff pass....

[CGowen]

33. Aren't Gravel, Kucinich and Paul gone from the debates? n/t

[shadowknows69]

8. So the indictments for treaon should come any day right?

:eyes:

[Quantess]

41. Yes, and your check is in the mail.

;)

[groovedaddy]

9. Mukasey: Criminal probe begins into CIA tapes

CIA said last month it had destroyed tapes of harsh interrogations - AP

WASHINGTON - The Justice Department said Wednesday it will launch a criminal investigation into the CIA's destruction of videotapes depicting the harsh interrogation of terrorism suspects.

The CIA last month disclosed that in 2005 it destroyed hundreds of hours of tapes from the interrogations of two al-Qaida suspects, prompting an outcry from Democrats, human rights activists and some legal experts.

The interrogations, which took place in 2002, were believed to have included a form of simulated drowning known as waterboarding, condemned internationally as torture.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22474868/

[eroded47095]

10. It's not Just 9/11

It started with the Secret Energy Meetings.

Keep in mind that this is the kind of crap our enemies across the aisle LOVE to see because it's so testicular and in-your-face to we Liberals.

Our enemies across the aisle LOVE to see this administration subvert the desires of us Patriotic Americans.

Makes it even more embarrassing to watch this board crap-flinging the Honorable Candidates for President in the DNC instead of lambasting the rotten extremist whores on the other side of the aisle.

[ConcernedCanuk]

21. "to watch this board crap-flinging the Honorable Candidates"

.
.
.

well said . .

I hadn't posted for YEARS while I watched what you call "crap-flinging"

refreshing to see someone say it like it is

[philly_bob]

37. Ah yes, Cheney's Energy Task Force

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Task_Force

Can't wait to find out what went on there.

Oil company presidents don't remember a thing. Sunshine laws don't apply.

(And I agree about the embarrassment of DU primary bickering; I just hope the wounds heal quickly.)

[jimshoes]

11. Well now, here's a fine kettle of fish

Imagine that, a group of criminals breaking the law. Looks like things are kind of falling apart eh, chimpy, dick?
ed:splelnig

[HeraldSquare212]

12. DOJ just asked FBI to open criminal investigation nt

[eroded47095]

13. Whatever The Outcome Of That

I already don't believe it.

[Blarch]

14. amen.

[ooglymoogly]

62. One big clusterfuck investigating exactly what is going on with its

participants all the while singing "you've got to hand it to Little Mary Sunshine".

[TahitiNut]

15. "We need to put it behnd us." "It's off the table." "Let's end the politics of division."

Assign the quote of your choice to the "Democrat" of your choice. :shrug:

[Blarch]

16. LOL

Nothing to see here folks, it's all a big mistake, it was only some swamp gas in the moonlight.

[spanone]

22. IT SHOULD BE THE HEADLINE IN EVERY NEWSPAPER IN THE WORLD

[annabanana]

23. It probably WILL be.... except here. . . . n/t

[AntiFascist]

24. K&R, key thing is "White House and CIA"....

it is becoming too obvious that there is obstruction of justice, and that it leads all the way to the top.

[Bonobo]

25. Can we be let out of the dungeon yet?

[earth mom]

38. Yes, let's get the MIHOP / LIHOP out of the darkness and into the light.

As my signature says...the truth will always come out in the end.

[bagrman]

50. sorry, but what is mihop and lihop, thanks in advance.

[go west young man]

54. 911-

MIHOP-Bush Administration made it happen.
LIHOP-Bush Administration let it happen.

[HamdenRice]

61. Just to add to Go West

LIHOP - let it happen on purpose
MIHOP - made it happen on purpose

just in case you were wondering what the OP stood for.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

26. Bobo's not gonna like this at all... n/t

[Name removed]

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[HCE SuiGeneris]

71. I do enjoy that bottom picture...

:rofl:

[MrCoffee]

27. Kean and Hamilton can both take a flying leap

what a couple of utterly ineffectual brain-dead investigative chairmen. they both need to STFU.

[DemoTex]

28. No! "Whitewash" Lee Hamilton?

[debbierlus]

29. 9/11 truth is a key in changing American perception to the state of our government

Most Americans have no idea....

Unlocking the 911 truth is the absolute key to creating a sea change in this nation. How I wish we knew....

[eroded47095]

32. Could Change America For The Better

Could wipe away some of this Cloak and Dagger stale old Xenophobic crap and reestablish a Confident America-- replacing a Cowering Cold-War America that still shudders to breathe free.

Yeah, there are people out to get us.

Because we are not Fair in the World.

If we were Fair, people wouldn't be out to get us.

[Flarney]

59. Word. nt

[lpbk2713]

30. Shock and Awe!!

Do they still believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny?

[progressoid]

31. No Way. The White House and the CIA covering their asses??

Shocked is what I am.

[Disturbed]

34. An Independent Prosecutor should investigate this.

The DOJ AG has a conflict of interest.

[paparush]

35. This Just In! Sun Rises In East....Bear Poops in Woods

Our pretzeldent didn't want ANY investigations...none..period..nada..zip. Nothing to see here..move along..these are not the crooks you are looking for.

Is anyone surprised that they **GASP** obstructed the investigation????????

[spanone]

36. We call that obstruction....and well you should.

[BuyingThyme]

40. kcik

[tom_paine]

42. We shall see, we are talking about Whitewash Lee Hamilton here

Could it be that the Bushies did something on 9/11 that turned Whitewash Lee Hamilton against them?

As with everything that exposes Bushie criminality, I can only believe this will lead to substantive action when I see it.

[lisainmilo]

46. Depends on the election, doesn't it?

Either the tide will continue (evidence squashed) or there will be real change and likely more and more will come out as the issue is pressed. Mc Cain or Romney, not sure who is running terrorist ads as part of his campaign.

[Pooka Fey]

48. K&R

[bluesmail]

51. oh please oh please

let someone have a copy of the 'destroyed ' tape, oh please

[frogcycle]

52. my fondest dream too

[tomp]

53. this has to be political theater.

there's no way any honest and thorough investigation into the actions of the white house AND of the cia would do anything but bring them both crashing down.

[MrCoffee]

55. with Kean and Hamilton, it's nothing but political theater

they both need to STFU...they had their chance when the commission was actually in session, and they blew it.

[tomp]

64. i agree, however...

...i was commenting more on the idea that the cia and the administration are not in cahoots against the people, that we should root for the cia to expose the white house. the idea that either the cia or the white house has any credence whatsoever is ludicrous.

[librechik]

56. ignore that. Iowa! Iowa! Iowa!

it's amazing what will serve as a distraction from the important story to the corporate shills aho used to be our 5th estate.

[jonnyra]

58. Anyone with half a brain

knew obstruction was the goal when Cheney refused to allow Bush to appear before the committee without his being by his side. We all knew right then that something was up. That the committee agreed to this as far as Im concerned made them complicit.

We have criminals running our nation folks and no one is willing to stop them...its that simple.

[benld74]

63. This is the real damn question to be asked!

WHY should THIS administration have such a PROBLEM with what the CIA provides it in the form of intelligence? Previous administrations sure the hell didn't! This one cherry picked what it wanted to hear, pushed it thru leaks to the press, the media etc and then ran like hell with what THEY provided themselves! NOW, they are trying to lay it on the CIA doorstep, and the CIA ain't having none of it.
LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE!
In this corner, with an IQ slightly higher than his acceptance rating!
In this corner, with an IQ slightly higher than, we don't know its a CIA secret!

[libodem]

65. Of course it's obstruction

the WH has a lot to hide. F'ing perpetrators!

[Norrin Radd]

67. k+r

[orleans]

68. shit. ten minutes too late to recommend. (recommended in spirit)

no shit, obstruction.

now...what's anyone gonna do about it?

[Rex]

72. Whitewash could be hearing from CIA moles.

Maybe the full impact made it to his brainhousing group.