The Real Meaning of Obama's Victory Tonight

[Yavin4]

Democratic voters, and the public in general, are sick and fucking tired of two things:

(1) Bush
(2) Spineless and politically calculating Democrats who don't have either the will nor the nerve to stand up to him

The people want real change, not DLC bullshit.

[mediaman007]

1. I hope your right!

but I notice that they public has some different ideas about how this should happen.

[Yavin4]

5. Look at The Turnout

If people were happy with status quo, they'd have stayed home and watched the Orange Bowl.

When Americans vote, they're pissed off and they want change.

[Johonny]

11. Howard Dean

Nailed this message home tonight. Dean, Edwards to Obama just gave three great message speeches tonight to propel the Democratic party forward tonight.

[DireStrike]

2. I think that's actually the meaning of Hillary's loss

Had Edwards won, you could say the same thing. In fact, Edwards seems to me less corporate than Obama.

[Yavin4]

3. The Problem with Edwards Was That He Voted for The War

Yes, he did apologize for it, but he did vote for it.

Being for something and then being against it sounds Kerry-esque.

[DireStrike]

7. Ah, yeah I see that

I don't have much of a problem with his "I was fooled" explanation because I supported the war at first too.

Of course, I was barely old enough to vote...

[Sydnie]

I don't have a problem with "Kerry-esque" at all ... especially compared

to blivet** who can't admit that he made a mistake at all. People will (and should) forgive you for the mistakes you can admit to making.
"an error doesn't become a mistake until you refuse to correct it" JFK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvaZ9pXvYTg

[avaistheone1]

10. It not that simple when Edwards and no one else knew that the

the Bush administration had cooked the intel on the war at that time.

Besides it is easy for Obama to say he took a position against the war, when he was never accountable to any constituency for voting about the war.

[never_get_over_it]

13. Yes but you know Obama didn't vote one way or the other

for IWR and so we'll never know for sure how he would have voted for it...I know he made speeches against the invasion - but there were many many Dems who had no business voting for IWR but did because of political calculations - so when when push comes to shove we'll NEVER KNOW how he would have voted for sure - AND when they had that Iran Kyle Lieberman vote a few months ago Barak didn't even have the balls to vote at all - which is one reason why I don't trust him....he is only slightly better in my mind than Hillary.

[tabasco]

4. Sick and tired of the war too.

Obama - strongly against the war.
Edwards - against the war.
Clinton - keep up the fight against al qaeda, blah, blah, blah.

[MrMickeysMom]

6. Yeah, but hasn't Obama been influenced by the DLC? eom

[BlackVelvet04]

8. I think Barak has been seriously

under estimated.

While he hasn't been my first choice, after listening to his speech tonight I could at least be proud of him as the President.

[Sydnie]

12. Go back and find his speech from the 2004 Dem convention

I stood and cheered (and sobbed too, because it filled me with hope) at the end of that speech and knew then that we would eventually be looking at him and his candidacy. I just wasn't sure it would be this quick in coming.

[madrchsod]

9. what i see is the young generation

deciding that they have to take charge of their future.they see the handwriting on the wall. they want change and they want a leader who will stand with them. i think they believe obama or edwards have more in common with them than does hillary. i really think that hillary was damaged by underestimating the youth voters in iowa and treating them as if they did`t matter.a big mistake by her and her guru mark penn.