TO THE NEXT PRESIDENT HILLARY CLINTON

[Bitwit1234]

Obama with the help of Oprah and all the students she bussed in from other states might have taken ONE STATE...and by the way bush didn't win Iowa, but there are 49 others and just watch the dust settle on Obama when she leaves him standing there.

Dean won Iowa in 2004 didn't he...Why then was Kerry the candidate.

[malaise]

1. No need to shout so early

in the morning.

[arcos]

2. Bush won Iowa in 2000, and Kerry won Iowa in 2004...

I think you should REALLY check your (recent) history.

[ThatPoetGuy]

4. Yes, Kerry won Iowa. NT

[Swamp Rat]

8. ¡claro que si, tuanis!

:D pura vida :hi: :hug:

[arcos]

11. ¡Hola Swamp!

¿Cómo estás? :hi: Feliz años nuevo! :)

[librechik]

56. damn, Swamp, where do you get those cute upside down exclamation points?

Quiero los uso!

[MadHound]

3. Still in denial aren't you?

Sorry, but with the Iowa win, Obama is at this very moment translating that win into major money. He has a good NH organization, and is running very close with Clinton there. He has a very good chance to win NH, and an even better one at winning S. Carolina.

Sorry, but Clinton has to play some serious catchup, and her prospects really don't look good at all.

[CarbonDate]

5. I'd like to mark this thread....

...to anybody who complains about Obama supporters trying to crown Obama President this early. Clinton *lost*, and her supporters are still trying to crown her.

Sorry if you don't know what I'm talking about. I just remember seeing a comment about this sort of thing on another thread.

[conspirator]

6. Sorry but Hillary doesn't have any charisma. She is like the Kerry of 2008 nt

[ProSense]

54. Kerry won Iowa! n/t

[cali]

7. Dean came in third in Iowa, bitterwittums.

and Obama won because more dems voted for him than Clinton or Edwards- along with independents and repukes. He goes into NH with the wind at his back. He's now the favorite, and I don't see him blowing it.

[frylock]

9. ..

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

18. LOL! Well done.

[alcibiades_mystery]

10. Dean lost in Iowa by a large margin

Now that we got your initial know-nothing inaccuracy out of the way, let's look at the other compound claims:

1) Please provide your detailed statistical proof that "students bussed in from other states" caused Mr. Obama's large victory.

2)Please provide credible empirical evidence that large numbers of students WERE bussed in from other states.

3) Please explain why getting legitimate voters to their correct polling (or caucusing) place is somehow illegitimate or unethical.

Thank you.

[Name removed]

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[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Sure doesn't look like it.

[JuniperLea]

17. Do you ever get tired of insulting people?

I don't agree with the OP either, but Jesus, Mary and Joseph! I'm so sick of insults I could just iron something!

[sniffa]

23. kick and recommended

everyone, this deserves Greatest Page status. let's make it happen. :bounce:

[Kajsa]

25. Hi Juniperx! I'm with you.

To answer your question- it doesn't look like it.

There are a few here who do little to inform and
much to ridicule and insult.


They know who they are.

[Name removed]

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[sniffa]

22. you should recommend it

i did

[book_worm]

14. yeah, right--Oprah bussed all of Obama's supporters in

get a grasp on reality and stop being a sore loser.

[LSK]

15. holy stupidity, Dean lost Iowa

What the hell are you talking about?

[NeedleCast]

16. Whatever gets you to sleep at night

[Blarch]

19. jeeesh.

[helderheid]

20. Dean came in 3rd in Iowa. Just like Clinton. n/t

[Richard Steele]

21. You took them all at once again, didn't you? nm

[EFerrari]

24. Another honking smear.

Where is that link.

[sniffa]

26. k&r

don't let this brilliant thread not get the attention it deserves. :patriot:

[Catherine Vincent]

27. Supporters of any candidate shouldn't get too confident.

nt

[PervezClinton]

29. I'm confused

What does the thread mean to say?

[sniffa]

30. i think it's quite obvious

and welcome to DU. :hi:

[PervezClinton]

34. Thanks!

I just had a little trouble following the post at first.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

31. It means there's a light at the end of the tunnel.

[tammywammy]

32. Finally, I get to use this picture:

Oh and excellent use of caps in the title, but you could have used more in the actual body of the post. Just a suggestion.

[Zodiak]

33. The OP is way off of the mark

Dean lost Iowa....he got third, just like Clinton.

There is no proof at all that Obama bussed in supporters from other states to take part directly in the caucuses. Intrestingly enough, Dean did so when it came to volunteers and got his ass handed to him for the practice....and he placed THIRD. I should know because I was a Dean supporter and watched the whole campaign derail.

This blatant attempt at rewriting history and making shit up is why many people call certain DUers "Hillbots". If you cannot come to the table with an honest argument, don't come to the table at all. You are insulting all of our intelligence and destroying whatever bit of reputation you have here with this drive-by tripe.

I hope they are paying you for this, because otherwise it is shooting yourself and your candidate in the foot for not more reason than blind loyalty.

[AntiFascist]

53. I prefer 'Hillarian' due to the Hillarity of this post...

:beer:

[spanone]

35. oprah bussed students? from other states?

[Bright Eyes]

36. I sense fear in your voice

Err...typing.

[Occam Bandage]

37. Both Bush and Kerry won Iowa n/t

[sniffa]

48. um, i have polls that show otherwise

[dailykoff]

38. It's a little early to be hitting the sauce. (n/t)

[sniffa]

39. I'd like to thank DU for getting this to the Greatest Page.

:patriot:

[tammywammy]

40. I know, this just warms my heart

[sniffa]

45. doesn't it though?

it makes me tingly.

[bvar22]

44. Its getting a K&R from me too.

!

[sniffa]

47. Thank you.

:patriot:

[Deja Q]

41. What will First Lady Bill do?

:shrug:

But I'm inclined to agree. A caucus is nothing more than a popularity contest.

[mtnester]

42. PSYCH!!!!! Oh wait...

you were serious


my bad

[B Calm]

43. Ha Ha, what an OP...

[Alexander]

46. This is a worthless piece of trollish flamebait.

I'm guessing at this rate you'll get tombstoned in a month.

[ileus]

49. remember 50 states in 2008, only with Hillary!

[dysfunctional press]

50. i honestly don't think that she'll do worse than mcgovern,tho...

she'll probably get at least a few states.

maybe.

[smalll]

51. Oh dear. If we are going to "watch the dust settle on Obama"

surely she leaves him LYING there! What's with the standing?

I agree with you though that Hillary can still be 44. Obama's the frontrunner, now the fun part really starts: the godhead has many manifestations: the Goddess of Peace shall become the Goddess of War, then the Goddess of Victory! (Or at least, here's hoping!)

[Orsino]

52. Now tell me how this is all good news for John McCain.

I thought Clinton was inevitable, too, and am glad to find that this is not so.

[sniffa]

55. kick

[Strelnikov_]

57. "all the students she bussed in" Pure slander. At my caucus . . .

where 550 people showed up, the demographics between groups was somewhat similar.

The precinct I was in has some students (college town), but is a good mix of professionals, blue collar.

Participation was up from 385 in 2004, and that 166 person increase was sure as hell not all 'college students'. The age distribution at the caucus seemed fairly representative of what I see walking around the neighborhood. If anything, there were LESS student looking types than I would have anticipated, and this was a precinct where that dastardly Obama would have dumped all the students Oprah bussed in.

- Edwards/Obama groups appeared to be a uniform cross section of the population.

- Richardson/Biden/Dodd groups few less younger/older, appeared to trend a bit more to Professional/Academic.

- Clinton group trended older.

The results:

550 total (385 in 2004) 83 required for viability.

1st/2nd/3rd Round (percentages in paran), Delegates

Clinton……125 (23)…..132 (24)…..147 (27)....5
Edwards….…90 (16)…..117 (21)…..127 (23)…..4
Obama…….162 (29)…...176 (32)…..179 (33)…..5
Biden………46 (8)…….34..
Dodd……….14 (3)……..0..
Kucinich……..7 (1)…….0..
NotCommit….40 (7)……0..
Richardson…..60 (11) .88 (16)…..97 (17)…..3
Gravel…………0……0

550 total final count, so everyone who came moved to a viable candidate.

So, in the end, Clinton and Obama tie (delegates). But the percent differences between Obama/Clinton/Edwards are somewhat similar to the statewide result. Richardson's strong showing in my precinct probably hurt Edwards a bit.