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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:42 PM
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Last night's speeches.
Well, I see it didn't take long for people to start criticizing Edwards for not doing the obligatory congratulatory dance.

His first words were "The Status quo lost." Which suggests he doesn't consider Obama a status quo candidate. That's high praise from Johnny.

He didn't come out and thank his volunteers or the people of Iowa. No, he launched into talking about the people that he's fighting for, the little people the media would just as soon sweep under the rug and forget about. The people who've been left along the wayside.

Do you think his volunteers felt neglected? No, they're working for Edwards because they know that Edwards is fighting for the people who ordinarily have no voice at all.

My wife was in the other room, but Johnny's speech captured her attention and, though sick, she got up and wandered out to listen. Johnny laid it all out in stark terms and made it very clear what his priorities are...to take Washington back from the powerful insiders.

Next came Hillary's speech and both of us chuckled at the populist note she struck. She's never come across as a populist before, but that's where this election is heading.

Take note.

Obama came on and started speaking and we looked at each other and both thought at the same moment, "he's not saying anything concrete. It's all fluff and platitudes."

I can support Obama, but I think he's long on speechifying and short on content. It's all well and good to hope to unify us, but to what end?

I'd really like to know that.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:43 PM
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1. My take.
Obama = Sensational
Clinton = Gracious
Edwards = Misplaced
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:01 PM
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8. Misplaced?
Care to elaborate on that?
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:20 PM
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12. In the context of Obama's uplifting and inspirational speech..
...and HRC's gracious speech, JE just grinding out his stump speech seemed a little out of place...
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:21 PM
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14. My take
Obama = Edwards
Clinton = Huckabee

Obama and Edwards both gave speeches about who they want to represent and what policies they stand for.

Hillary and Huckabee gave vague change speeches that really either one of them could have given.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:44 PM
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2. Edwards gave his "son of a millworker" stump speech. He's not in the
same class as Obama in terms of sweeping oratory and vision. I found his speech pedestrian.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:45 PM
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3. Right... A lot of empty nothing is better... whatever.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:50 PM
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4. Edwards' speech was empty nothing to me. Maybe populism just doesn't sway me
that much as a theme, but Obama's speech was patriotic, about America's potential greatness under him as President--just saying "I'm gonna give you health care and bump up the minimum wage and give you your factory job back" is NOT a vision for America, it's a pandering giveaway of goodies.
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:36 PM
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16. If fluff sways you, then I'm sure you're impressed
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:05 PM
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29. "a pandering giveaway of goodies"
...?!? :wtf:

those "goodies" you refer to--health care, living wages, jobs--are what many people consider the basics in a healthy society.

This is part of the problem--those in power have convinced people that what citizens in other western societies take for granted are "luxuries" in America.

Right now it's a long way to "greatness" for this country.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:19 PM
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39. "Empty nothings" like healthcare and a living wage?
Perhaps it's just a teensy bit hard to worry about America's "potential greatness" when you have medical bills up the wazoo, two jobs, and can't afford heating oil in the winter.

Some people just don't get it.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 12:50 PM
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5. I am not an Obama supporter
but I will give credit where it is due and his speech was inspirational and absolutely fabulous.
A president who can inspire a nation with hope instead of fear would be something to behold.
I remember Kennedy's Ask not what your country can do for you" speech which inspired a generation to action.
There is a lot to be said for having that ability. It is not a small thing. If used for the good of the country wonderful things could be accomplished.
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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:00 PM
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6. I'm undecided. And I agree. That was a stirring speech n/t
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 01:00 PM by indie_voter
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:37 PM
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17. The problem with Obama is that we're asking...
...what would he do with our country or what we should do for our country. Seems that all he's asking us to do is vote for him.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:55 PM
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25. Part of his message and his approach is empowering voters
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 02:56 PM by killbotfactory
to make the changes needed.

It's the idea behind his plan to open up the government as much as logically possible, and stems from his experiences as a community organizer.

He has a history of using this approach and getting things done:

Obama: The Only Thing You Need to Know to Change the World
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/2/10199/21534/264/428920
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:58 PM
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28. I like that. That's the first time I heard that. I wish he was more effective
at communicating something of substance.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:45 PM
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22. Is there a YouTube link to the speaches given last night? n/t
:kick:
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:48 PM
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32. Obamas
speech is in the political videos area of the board. I am not sure about the others.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:06 PM
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34. Thanks! n/t
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:22 PM
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31. i'm all for hope, but WHAT are we hoping for? he hasn't said anything concrete.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:15 PM
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36. It was a victory speech not a policy one
and perfect for what it was. I am sure it hit the papers all over the world. I am tickled for him. I still have not made up my mind on who to support. I really liked Biden but I have to say last night was Obama's moment and the speech was wonderful.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:07 PM
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35. yep, inspirational speeches are just empty nothing.
MLK was full of empty nothings, wasn't he? No, I'm not comparing Obama to MLK, just making a point.

Edwards speech was fine. It was his stump speech. It's a good one, but Obama's speech was far better.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:53 PM
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24. Sweeping oratory and vision don't pay the doctor bills.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:58 PM
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27. Edwards is the only one saying corp. greed is running healthcare
I'll stick with him.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:01 PM
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7. Some folks are just in denial
"he's not saying anything concrete. It's all fluff and platitudes."

is it because the speech was too eloquent for you hence the "fluff and platitudes"

cynicism should be a thing of the past, how can we unite when there are factions that just refused to accept unity?
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 01:16 PM
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9. "Too eloquent" for ME?
Are you kidding me? I can write shit like that in my sleep.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:21 PM
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13. Please provide an example for us to compare....
...we'll be "fair and balanced" I promise...:evilgrin:
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Hatchling Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:59 PM
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33. OMG. Mythsaje is one of DU's treasures.
His eloquent essays speak for themselves as to the quality of his writing. Do a search. He is quite capable of writing such inspiring speeches. The difference is that in Saje's essays, there is substance.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:17 PM
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37. but he is not running for president
nor delivering speeches in public at least as far as I know.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 05:21 PM
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40. He's a published, professional author. Try a bookstore. (nt)
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NoFederales Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:10 PM
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10. I prefer Edwards speechs, nuts and bolts, to "motivational",
"inspirational", whatever. Call a mechanic when the car is broken, not the goddamned Mayor.

Edwards is different than he was in 2004--and that's good--he's seen what needs to be fixed and that is the task I wish to be completed. Obama's nice, but nothing he says makes me believe he isn't just blowing rhetorical smoke. And Clinton, who doesn't believe there are problems, will give us the same beating Bush has been dealing.

So, let's see, Hardware Store or Boutique? Building Construction Store or Mall? I'll put my hopes on Edwards being a fixer anytime against the other candidates.

NoFederales
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:24 PM
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15. ...
:thumbsup: Meanwhile the CORPORATE MEDIA continues to ignore EDWARDS, for the most part! :banghead:
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:39 PM
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18. I'm a dreamer and a utopian...
...and I'm *still* turned off by Obama. Not because he's too positive, but because he's *not* dreaming enough. All I got from the speech is that he wants to lower the cost of health care. Are you fucking kidding me? That's all this is about?

Where's the big dream and big vision?
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:40 PM
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20. Yep, that's all he said
Spot on, great job!
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:19 PM
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11. What are you expecting from a ten minute victory speech?
Detailed policy positions?

Anyway, here's the transcript, please point out the meaningless fluff and platitudes.

SENATOR BARACK OBAMA: Thank you, Iowa.

You know, they said this day would never come.

They said our sights were set too high. They said this country was too divided, too disillusioned to ever come together around a common purpose.

But on this January night, at this defining moment in history, you have done what the cynics said we couldn't do.

You have done what the state of New Hampshire can do in five days. You have done what America can do in this new year, 2008.

In lines that stretched around schools and churches, in small towns and in big cities, you came together as Democrats, Republicans and independents, to stand up and say that we are one nation. We are one people. And our time for change has come.

You said the time has come to move beyond the bitterness and pettiness and anger that's consumed Washington.

To end the political strategy that's been all about division, and instead make it about addition. To build a coalition for change that stretches through red states and blue states.

Because that's how we'll win in November, and that's how we'll finally meet the challenges that we face as a nation.

We are choosing hope over fear.

We're choosing unity over division, and sending a powerful message that change is coming to America.

You said the time has come to tell the lobbyists who think their money and their influence speak louder than our voices that they don't own this government -- we do. And we are here to take it back.

The time has come for a president who will be honest about the choices and the challenges we face, who will listen to you and learn from you, even when we disagree, who won't just tell you what you want to hear, but what you need to know.

And in New Hampshire, if you give me the same chance that Iowa did tonight, I will be that president for America.

I'll be a president who finally makes health care affordable and available to every single American, the same way I expanded health care in Illinois, by...

... by bringing Democrats and Republicans together to get the job done. I'll be a president who ends the tax breaks for companies that ship our jobs overseas and put a middle-class tax cut into the pockets of working Americans who deserve it.

I'll be a president who harnesses the ingenuity of farmers and scientists and entrepreneurs to free this nation from the tyranny of oil once and for all.

And I'll be a president who ends this war in Iraq and finally brings our troops home...

... who restores our moral standing, who understands that 9/11 is not a way to scare up votes but a challenge that should unite America and the world against the common threats of the 21st century.

Common threats of terrorism and nuclear weapons, climate change and poverty, genocide and disease.

Tonight, we are one step closer to that vision of America because of what you did here in Iowa.

And so I'd especially like to thank the organizers and the precinct captains, the volunteers and the staff who made this all possible.

And while I'm at it on thank yous, I think it makes sense for me to thank the love of my life, the rock of the Obama family, the closer on the campaign trail.

Give it up for Michelle Obama.

I know you didn't do this for me. You did this -- you did this because you believed so deeply in the most American of ideas -- that in the face of impossible odds, people who love this country can change it.

I know this. I know this because while I may be standing here tonight, I'll never forget that my journey began on the streets of Chicago doing what so many of you have done for this campaign and all the campaigns here in Iowa, organizing and working and fighting to make people's lives just a little bit better.

I know how hard it is. It comes with little sleep, little pay and a lot of sacrifice. There are days of disappointment. But sometimes, just sometimes, there are nights like this; a night that, years from now, when we've made the changes we believe in, when more families can afford to see a doctor, when our children -- when Malia and Sasha and your children inherit a planet that's a little cleaner and safer, when the world sees America differently, and America sees itself as a nation less divided and more united, you'll be able to look back with pride and say that this was the moment when it all began.

This was the moment when the improbable beat what Washington always said was inevitable.

This was the moment when we tore down barriers that have divided us for too long; when we rallied people of all parties and ages to a common cause; when we finally gave Americans who have never participated in politics a reason to stand up and to do so.

This was the moment when we finally beat back the policies of fear and doubts and cynicism, the politics where we tear each other down instead of lifting this country up. This was the moment.

Years from now, you'll look back and you'll say that this was the moment, this was the place where America remembered what it means to hope. For many months, we've been teased, even derided for talking about hope. But we always knew that hope is not blind optimism. It's not ignoring the enormity of the tasks ahead or the roadblocks that stand in our path.

It's not sitting on the sidelines or shirking from a fight. Hope is that thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us if we have the courage to reach for it and to work for it and to fight for it.

Hope is what I saw in the eyes of the young woman in Cedar Rapids who works the night shift after a full day of college and still can't afford health care for a sister who's ill. A young woman who still believes that this country will give her the chance to live out her dreams.

Hope is what I heard in the voice of the New Hampshire woman who told me that she hasn't been able to breathe since her nephew left for Iraq. Who still goes to bed each night praying for his safe return.

Hope is what led a band of colonists to rise up against an empire. What led the greatest of generations to free a continent and heal a nation. What led young women and young men to sit at lunch counters and brave fire hoses and march through Selma and Montgomery for freedom's cause.

Hope -- hope is what led me here today. With a father from Kenya, a mother from Kansas and a story that could only happen in the United States of America.

Hope is the bedrock of this nation. The belief that our destiny will not be written for us, but by us, by all those men and women who are not content to settle for the world as it is, who have the courage to remake the world as it should be.

That is what we started here in Iowa and that is the message we can now carry to New Hampshire and beyond.

The same message we had when we were up and when we were down; the one that can save this country, brick by brick, block by block, (inaudible) that together, ordinary people can do extraordinary things.

Because we are not a collection of red states and blue states. We are the United States of America. And in this moment, in this election, we are ready to believe again.

Thank you, Iowa.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:39 PM
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19. Quick takes.
Obama = Magnificent. That speech + Biden's dropout switched my avatar.
Clinton = Gracious. Might have helped stem the bleeding, which is all she could hope for.
Edwards = Strange. Banged out his everyday stump speech. Didn't congratulate his opponents or thank his supporters. Just confusing.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:41 PM
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21. People need to watch Sicko, then listen to Edwards' speech
He gets it. He really gets it.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:50 PM
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23. Edwards gets it because he's been there. Neither Hillary nor Obama have ever wanted for anything
in their lives. Ivy League schools. Connections. Edwards has done it the hard way.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 02:57 PM
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26. Yep, a black man with a white mother growing up in the sixties and seventies
never faced adversity in all his life.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 03:14 PM
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30. Read his book (s).
Edited on Fri Jan-04-08 03:17 PM by mnhtnbb
Pay attention to where he grew up, what his support systems were, where he went to school.
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Hatchling Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 04:34 PM
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38. My take on the speeches last night.
First, my candidates of choice didn't win last night. I was/am a Kucinich supporter who has been increasingly been drawn to Biden lately since the Pakistani assassination. Neither proved viable last night.

So I decided to listen to the three candidates speeches with an open mind last night.

In the order in which I heard them:

Edwards speech excited me, made me want to join in the battle. I felt he was fighting for me and people like me. I understood what a victory he had in coming in second and I was proud of him.

Clinton's speech gave me nothing. Perhaps the disappointment of not doing as well in Iowan affected her. But it was not inspiring. I wait to hear something more from her.

Obama's speech began with things that troubled me. I am not happy with the concept of bipartisanship, but as he continued, I began to fall into the rhythm of his words. He showed some of that fire and spirit that made me first take notice of him in 2004. So many of his supporters here on DU have said that they have felt uplifted by his speeches and last night I was.

But as the fervor dissipated, I felt once again that the substance of what he was saying what not what I wanted. The phrase "affordable health insurance" stuck in my mind. Who decides the insurance is affordable. And again the word bipartisanship. As a progressive, I have felt that bipartisanship has screwed me over and over again through the years.

Then I listened to Huckabee's speech and I was frightened. Because he was good. Not inspiring like Obama, nor exciting like Edwards nor steady like Clinton. But his words were calming and comforting and reassuring. If I did not know what was behind this candidate ( fundies, and prejudice), I would have been favorable impressed. This is what scared me. The man has a way of ensnaring you, of making you feel he is trustworthy, if you know nothing about him at all. Huckabee is a danger to us from the less politically educated.

Although Obama was clearly the winner last night, in my opinion they each got approximately 1/3 of the vote last night. Which meant 2/3 of the voters were against each candidate.

So my personal goal now, is to research each of our three viable candidates, because at this moment I feel they are all three still viable, and to educate myself more deeply what each stands for. To determine who I think is the best for our party. But I will vote and campaign for any of them in GE. This election is not going to be a slam dunk.
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