Hillary is done, so is Guliani, Edwards is very much alive and Obama is the winner of the first bout

[sasquatch]

That's pretty much my sypnosis of the Iowa Caucases, anyone else have a comment to make.

[book_worm]

1. I wouldn't rule Hillary out just yet

but she does need to win NH, I think. Edwards has to do well in Nevada and win SC.

[Forkboy]

2. I think ruling Hillary out is a fool's game.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. I think that's about right.

I think Hillary's still standing, but her knees are shaking.

[sasquatch]

Well third place is the boobie prize in the caucas

Pretty much the kiss of death, if you don't believe me go ask John Edwards.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. Especially if you were up 29 points two months ago.

No reason to ask John Edwards, look at Joe Lieberman.

But that said, never underestimate the power of a gaffe.

[SteppingRazor]

4. Hillary's done?! I definitely have to disagree with that part.

The most recent polls still have her in the lead in NH. Sure, Obama will get a bounce, but that doesn't mean he's got NH locked up. Given the amount of cash and time he put in Iowa, I'd say Edwards will have more problems going on from here than Hillary will.

I agree that Giuliani's probably done -- as are Thompson and Paul.

I think this comes down to Obama or Clinton and Huckabee, McCain or Romney.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

5. Hillary is far from done.

I think anyone who believes that Iowa was the end of the game for her hasn't been paying attention. She WILL fight - and hard. Edwards is fucking toast. He's been campaigning in Iowa since I was in goddamn diapers. If he can't win in Iowa, he can't win anywhere. He's dead in NH, flatlined in SC, and doesn't have the organization or money to take him through super tuesday.

[Va Lefty]

6. I'm for Edwards

but I think it is a huge mistake to count out Hillary. The Clintons have never been one to back out of a fight and they have a lot of money. If Hillary can finish at least 2nd in NH she will be a factor until at least "Super Tuesday".

[sasquatch]

9. But she was the unstoppable juggernaut that was destined for the whitehouse

And now she sits with the boobie prize in Iowa this morning wondering what they'll do next.

[Va Lefty]

16. I agree she got knocked down

but the winner hardly ever comes out of Iowa. Money and her organization should not be counted out. That being said Obama is now the front runner and odds on choice to win the nomination.

[kimmerspixelated]

32. But, I'm sorry to say,

that she has a "failure is not an option" attitude about her...if you get my drift.

[Ice4Clark]

7. I was thinking about Bill Clinton's run in 1992

I don't believe he even campaigned in IA for the 1992 nomination because of Harkin. I also think he lost NH. He still won the nomination without these two primaries. So, I don't think Hill is done by a long shot. my thoughts.......

[mrreowwr_kittty]

15. I don't see a parallel between her run and Bill's

She should have done MUCH better in IA than she did. She is a mega-celebrity, not an unknown Arkansas Governor.

I also don't think she's out of the game, though.

[AndyA]

8. I think it's too early to cast Hillary aside.

Ghouliani, yes. He's toast.

I honestly don't think McCain has much of a chance, but some seem to think he might.

Hillary is a smart lady, I will give her credit for that, and I'll bet she has a few things waiting in the wings still.

And Huckelberry is as big a hypocrite as any Republican. Talking about how America wants change. Yes, Gomer, America DOES want change. Change away from people like YOU. Change from the Republican/Evangelical hold that has crippled this nation during the Bush years.

Republicans are nothing if they are not hypocrites.

[sasquatch]

13. See post #9

[AndyA]

22. But was she really unstoppable? Who said? The M$M?

We know they have an agenda, and it's to shine the best light possible on the GOP, and make Dems look as bad as possible. Hillary is a lightening rod for Republicans, they really hate her. Nothing like Hillary on the ticket will get GOPers out and voting. They have a weak lineup, so they have to hope that something on the Dem side will create enough fear to get them out voting for the lousy candidate they put forth.

Hillary is the gal that can do that.

[RL3AO]

10. Uh oh. Hill plays the fear card.

Someone is getting desperate.

[cali]

11. yep. Clinton is still very much alive

Edwards is on his last legs- if he doesn't win or place a close second in NH, he's done. And Obama has a heck of a lot of momentum. Clinton has money and organization and is still polling well ahead nationally. Obama has money and organization, plus excitement and buzz. In NH, Edwards is way back in the polls and I don't see how he gets a bump when he really didn't beat Clinton so much as tie her. In SC, Edwards is even further back, and if Obama beats Clinton in NH, he'll be a strong favorite in SC.

If Edwards couldn't win IA, it's hard to see how he can win any other state.

[ccpup]

12. strongly disagree

if you think one State decides everything and Hillary is out, you're either a political neophyte or unrealistically delusional.

Bill lost the first FIVE States in 1992 before winning Georgia and locking up the Nomination on Super Tuesday, so counting a Clinton out this early in the game while Obama runs his premature Victory Lap is not the wisest thing to do.

Which is, of course, what I hope Obama and his Advisers are doing. :evilgrin:

[mondo joe]

17. Those are pretty massive conclusions to draw from Iowa. I don't see how

you can draw any of those conclusions in a meaningful way from just Iowa.

[pnwmom]

29. They sure are. Especially since she still has a massive lead in delegates,

thanks to her superdelegates.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Clinton_still_leads_delegate_race_01042008.html

[mondo joe]

31. I guess it's human nature, but I find people drawing extreme conclusions from just

the Iowa Caucuses. Ofcourse Chris Matthews was the nuttiest.

[pnwmom]

35. And if what he says isn't always bad enough

he has that awful, awful, VOICE!

[peoli]

18. Obama will be the president

take it to the bank. Eveyone else is over.

[whatdoyouthink]

24. He is Up

But One State - IS not a lock

I think this will go to at least Super Tue (30/30/30 Plus or Minus Top to Bottom)

A) would be a Shame - if one state - can call it

B) I've not heard The LADY Sing

C) Edwards has not Surrendered

D) or None of the Above

[ronnykmarshall]

19. My comment ....

what a load of shit.

[sasquatch]

25. What?

[ronnykmarshall]

30. What I said ..

There is no way that Hillary's toast. Sorry to be so blunt, I didn't mean to be so shitty .... but I'm tired of this whole Iowa votes ... America follows bullshit.

[pinto]

20. It's a ways to go, yet. Buckle up.

Whomever you support. ;)

[tritsofme]

21. I couldn't disagree more, with both sentiments.

So far fewer people have cast ballots than there probably are people within a five mile radius of the office I'm typing this from.

Guiliani "skipped" Iowa and did not compete, his path to GOP nomination is a "big state" strategy, where he wins big delegate rich states like NY, NJ, IL, FL, CA ect and then wins the nomination.

Hillary is sitting on a pile of money and will not go down without a strong fight.

This isn't the end, its the beginning of the beginning.

[theboss]

23. Hillary is bleeding but still ok...Guiliani is fine...Where does Edwards go from here?

Hillary is hurt by finishing third, but there are still a lot of states that she can win. However, she has lost her chief strength which is the air of inevitability.

Guiliani is fine. He made a smart move by removing himself from Iowa. If he had campaigned at all and done that poorly, he would be in trouble.

Edwards' problem in 2008 is Edwards' problem from 2004. He can never get into a two-man race that he can win. He gets stuck in these three and four-person races where he inevitably finishes 2nd. He needs to actually win a state one of these days, and I honestly don't know what state that will be. He is the Ernie Els of Democratic Politics.

Romney is staggering as badly as Hillary but is still in it.

Thompson, I think, is done.

Honestly, McCain is the big winner in my view. The establishment Republicans need to make a stand against Huckabee and the Evangelicals. Romney was their guy, but he is not playing well right now. Thompson is not interested. And McCain is there ready to be whatever they want him to be.

Huckabee has a chance to be the McGovern on 2008 in that for Establishment Republicans, he is more dangerous than any Democrat. If Huckabee gets the nod, he might rebuild the Party into something unrecognizable to the Cheneys and Roves and Limbaughs and Wills and National Reviews of the world.

[fuzzy otter pop]

26. HILLERY IS FINISHED

get used to it. focus on picking a candidate that represents you and can win.

[sasquatch]

27. Hi there newbie

:hi:

[pnwmom]

28. Hillary still has a strong lead in actual delegates, despite losing in Iowa.

So I wouldn't count her out yet.

[PervezClinton]

33. That sounds about right to me.

[Occam Bandage]

34. Hillary is far from done. Giuliani depends on who wins NH and SC. Stick a fork in Edwards.

[BooScout]

36. My comment.......

are you a clairvoyant?

[sasquatch]

37. That's more of a question than a comment

The answer is no.