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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 12:27 PM
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"LIbby was just an appetizer" - Citizenspook is back
Edited on Wed Feb-21-07 12:28 PM by Holly_Hobby
Mods - Citizenspook gives permission to post entire articles - see end of article

Thursday, February 15, 2007

LIBBY WAS JUST AN APPETIZER. CHEF FITZGERALD WONT SERVE THE MAIN COURSE UNTIL FEBRUARY 2009.

Fitzgerald doesn't have to rush this prosecution. He's putting them on slow boil and come January 2009, Bush will lose his pardon power. Libby was indicted in October 2005, but the trial ends in Feb 2007. Extrapolate that 16 month timeline to future indictments and you'll start to see who the top chef really is.

Alot more information came out during this trial under oath. The sand thrown in Fitzgerald's eyes is being washed away. The next round of indictments may be coming, but there's no rush to judgment. Let the man do his job slowly and thoroughly. Let all the flavors steep into the stew.

Fitzgerald has spent so much less of the taxpayers' money than many recent Special Counsels (or Independent Counsels) while still managing to do a very efficient job as US Attorney. They have nothing on this guy. He was appointed by the Bush administration.

When the Bush cabal gets desperate as the noose tightens and the calendar brings the shadow of January 2009 closer, they may try to fire Fitz. But see my previous article on Fitzgerald wearing two hats. Bush can easily fire Fitz as the US Attorney for the District in which he presides, but Fitzgerald also wears the hat of "Special Prosecutor" investigating the Bush administration.

Trying to remove that hat will be a much different legal and political animal.

Should Fitz obtain prosecutions for Espionage after Bush is out of office, will the next (democratic?) resident of the White House offer to go down in history as the only Preseident ever to pardon Espionage?

The plot thickens. Be patient.

FITZ!

Citizenspook

IT'S THE ESPIONAGE, STUPID.
THE PRESIDENT CANT DECLASSIFY "ESPIONAGE".




From the very beginning of this case, the public has been intentionally misled by the Bush administration and their media cronies regarding the most applicable statutes pertaining to the underlying crimes involved with the leaking of Valerie Plame's CIA employment. I can't say I was the first to mention The Espionage Act, but CS was the first blog to bring you an in depth analysis of the relevant statutes of 18 USC 793 and 794.

And more importantly, this blog is THE ONLY BLOG to have asked the critical question:

WHY WONT THE MEDIA DISCUSS THE ESPIONAGE ACT?


Instead of discussing this most relevant statute, the mainstream media and even the glorified blogs like Firedoglake, Talkleft, The Last Hurrah, Murray Waas and Digby have maintained a virtual ban on in depth discussion of it even though Fitzgerald himself has told us directly that the Espionage Act is in play.

And with the stench of the criminals' certain defense, "BUSH DECLASSIFIED PLAME'S STATUS IN THE NIE", we clearly see why the Bush cabal and their media cronies have tried to distract the public by belligerently slamming the much less relevant IIPA in our faces. In short, if the IIPA was the only statute they could be prosecuted for, they wouldn't have too much to worry about. Under the IIPA, if the info transmitted was "declassified", voila, you have a very difficult prosecution.

So, please see my previous posts for a comprehensive analysis of the applicability of the Espionage Act to the Plame outing.

http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/ 2005_07_24_citizenspook_archive.html
http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/2005/ 08/treasongate-controlling-law-part-2.html
http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/2005/ 08/treasongate-prior-high-profile.html

Now let's hear Fitz weigh in on the Espionage Act. From the Fitz October 28, 2005 Libby Indictment press conference:

FITZGERALD: Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer. In July 2003, the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified. Not only was it classified, but it was not widely known outside the intelligence community.

later...

QUESTION: ... it's a little hazy I think for many of us -- you say that Valerie Plame's identity was classified, but you're making no statement as to whether she was covert. Was the leaking of her identity in and of itself a crime?

FITZGERALD: ...And all I'll say is that if national defense information which is involved because her affiliation with the CIA, whether or not she was covert, was classified, if that was intentionally transmitted, that would violate the statute known as Section 793, which is the Espionage Act....So there are people who should argue that you should never use that statute because it would become like the Official Secrets Act. I don't buy that theory...

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Fitzgerald mentioned 793 so here it is in part (bold print is my emphasis):

(d) Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing...or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it...

(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession...(followed by same as above)

(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing...or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed...

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

(g) If two or more persons conspire to violate any of the foregoing provisions of this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be subject to the punishment provided for the offense which is the object of such conspiracy.
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And now 794:

(a) Whoever, with intent or reason to believe that it is to be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of a foreign nation, communicates, delivers, or transmits, or attempts to communicate, deliver, or transmit, to any foreign government, or to any faction or party or military or naval force within a foreign country, whether recognized or unrecognized by the United States, or to any representative, officer, agent, employee, subject, or citizen thereof, either directly or indirectly, any document, writing...or information relating to the national defense, shall be punished by death or by imprisonment for any term of years or for life, except that the sentence of death shall not be imposed unless the jury or, if there is no jury, the court, further finds that the offense resulted in the identification by a foreign power (as defined in section 101(a) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978) of an individual acting as an agent of the United States and consequently in the death of that individual, or directly concerned nuclear weaponry, military spacecraft or satellites, early warning systems, or other means of defense or retaliation against large-scale attack; war plans; communications intelligence or cryptographic information; or any other major weapons system or major element of defense strategy.

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Notice that "intent to harm the USA" is not an element of the Espionage Act. Neither 793 or 794 require "intent" to harm the country as an element of the crime.

The Espionage Act protects "classified" information, but it also protects "unclassified" information. Fitz said that "classified" information is certainly protected under the Espionage Act. But the Espionage Act, by its very definintion and clear wording, also protects information which is not officially classified but simply is "related to the national defense".

The blogosphere desperately needs to shift the debate to whether Plame's status was "related to the national defense". If you want to drive the rightwingnuts crazy, don't let them draw you into debates about "classified" vs declassified - everybody knew it blah blah blah", or "classified vs covert" or "IIPA wasn't triggered". Stick to the Espionage Act because that's where Fitz is going.

Was Plame's employment "related to the national defense"? That's a no brainer. It was. There's no way to deny it.

The question all those blogs like FDL need to be asking their readers to consider is not whether Plame's status was "classified", it was. Fitz has stated that and he wouldn't state it were it not true. Moreover, while the question of whether her status was "covert" has not yet been publicly established, The Espionage Act does not require that her status be covert, or even classified.

793 of The Espionage Act only requires, for conviction:

1. that Plame's status at the CIA was "related to the national defense"
2. that the leaker(s) had "reason to believe" such information "could be used to the injury of the United States"
3. that the person this information was leaked to was not "entitled to receive" the information

794 of The Espionage Act only requires, for conviction:

1. that Plame's status at the CIA was "related to the national defense"
2. that the leaker(s) had "reason to believe" such information "is to be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of a foreign nation"

Seeing as how Fitzgerald has directly stated that this Statute is in play, the public needs the Espionage Act to be debated with the same sickening repetition as the virtually irrelevant IIPA. The liberal bloggers need to stop getting into arguments about "classifed vs covert" and start hitting the phrases contained in The Espionage Act.

If her status was actually covert, then this evidence will simply provide more weight to the sentence of those convicted, but whether she was "covert" is not a necessary element for criminal violations of The Espionage Act.

Plame's job was undeniably directly "related to the national defense". The CIA was created to defend the nation. Duh. It's the espionage, stupid.

People need to stop thinking that Plame was outed to bitch slap her hubby. The President and his crime family knew this was a serious crime which might possibly bring life in prison or even the death penalty. They took a calculated risk. The real question is "why?

You might hate them, but give credit where credit is do, they are daring and highly competent criminals.
The system has not failed Halliburton and The Carlisle Group. The Bush/Neocon system works for them like a well oiled machine.

The system has failed those soldiers who are dead because of this administration's competent lies.
Saying they are idiots and picturing them as monkeys is only playing into their defense.

Plame was outed for a much more sinister reason than a bitch slap to Joe Wilson. We need to find out what that (t)reason was.

The first words out of Wilson's mouth should have been, "My wife is the victim of state sponsored espionage. Throw the book at them, throw 18 USC 794 at them".

Im still waiting for Wilson to say that. I know it's difficult for many to understand why I'm picking on Joe Wilson. But I haven't seen him target the law which will most effectively punish the criminals who outed his wife even though Fitzgerald has indicated that this law is in play.

What Wilson has done is tell the world that he doesn't believe convictions are possible under the IIPA. That really bothers me. And it ought to bother you as well. Then there's the issue of Bush 41 giving Wilson all that love. It's too strange for words and if we don't ask tough difficult questions of all the parties, then we're not really searching for the truth.

The consistent lack of attention given to the Espioage Act has me very worried about the grand scheme of this crap.

Citizenspook

PLEASE REPOST
http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 12:29 PM
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1. DU was all over it when it happened
there's a long bit in the research forum about it and H2OMan has been talking about it for literally years
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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 12:38 PM
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4. CS has been around for a few years too
Edited on Wed Feb-21-07 12:41 PM by Holly_Hobby
He gives layman's terms about the Espionage Act. He claims to be a Federal attorney.

I've been here since 2004, I think. I am aware and participated in the research. But no one talks about the Espionage Act as being prosecutable (is that a word?) except CS. I find his posts enlightening and his quote make alot of sense to me:

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 12:32 PM
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2. Great stuff!
:thumbsup:

Thanks for posting it!
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 12:37 PM
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3. So can ** pardon people who have not been charged with anything? Like Issue a blanket
pardon of some sort? Otherwise the idea of not really trying take down the big guys people until ** is out of power is a good idea.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 01:02 PM
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7. Gerald Ford did.
Nixon was pardoned for any crimes he may have committed.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 01:26 PM
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9. And that is exactly why we are in the position we are in. If we had had impeachments indictments
and imprisoned them then we would not have these fools in charge now.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 02:01 PM
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11. Congress needs to pass legislation limiting pResidential pardons ...
no pardons are valid if issued by a President who was under investigation/trial for impeachment at the time, unless indictments/impeachment do not result. (doesn't apply here, but needed)

no blanket pardons; only pardons for specific crimes/indictments.

no pardons for any crime which may have been commited, but which has not yet resulted in indictment.

Can someone play Devil's Advocate and explain why one or more of those would not be a good idea?
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Jonathan50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 01:30 PM
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10. Reagan pardoned Weinberger pre trial n/t
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 02:03 PM
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12. Geo Bush the senior pardoned Weinberger; Weinberger had already been indicted. n/t
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 12:44 PM
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5. Love CitizenSpook, even if he is a bit "out there"
Edited on Wed Feb-21-07 12:46 PM by yodermon
He does have a great point, though: "WHY WONT THE MEDIA DISCUSS THE ESPIONAGE ACT?"
why indeed.
They all have spouted IIPA, IIPA, IIPA ad nauseum, when that particular statute has a higher standard of proof than plain old Espionage.
Even Joe Wilson and Larry Johnson seem to avoid the "E" word in their discussions of the matter. :shrug:

If you read the text of Fitz's press conference, he doesn't even MENTION the IIPA by name, but he DOES mention 793 (espionage) by name(!), as he does in numerous court filings. (although he does mention the IIPA in passing in some court filings too.)

I love CS's take on 794-espionage == death penalty if our asset(s) abroad are killed during wartime... AND FITZ MENTIONED THE DEATHS OF ASSETS AS A POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCE OF PLAME'S OUTING in this trial (just yesterday IIRC).

You remember a few years ago when bushco tried very briefly to rebrand the war as "the Global Conflict against Violent Extremism" .. and then shrub himself shot down the phrase ("nobody asked ME if they could change it")? i.e. "we're not really, technically at war, so we're not eligible for the death penalty, just gold old fashioned espionage, thankyou"

edited to add Fitz's presser quote re: 793 at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/28/AR2005102801340.html
FITZGERALD: ...And all I'll say is that if national defense information which is involved because her affiliation with the CIA, whether or not she was covert, was classified, if that was intentionally transmitted, that would violate the statute known as Section 793, which is the Espionage Act....So there are people who should argue that you should never use that statute because it would become like the Official Secrets Act. I don't buy that theory...
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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 12:59 PM
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6. Thanks for adding the info
I also have wondered why Wilson or the media isn't interested in the Espionage Act. Sure, it's not easy to convict under that statute, but the death of assets should have weight, if there were any. We deserve to know the entire story.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 01:15 PM
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8. CS previously also adopted Clifford May's talking point that Joe Wilson outed his wife & went
further to add that Valerie also was complicit in her own outing, along with the WH, David Corn and Bob Novak, according to CS. Ah, here's just one link: http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/2005_08_14_citizenspook_archive.html As I recall CS had other rants against Joe Wilson and the Wilsons' complicity in the conspiracy to out Valerie as CIA, but I'm pressed for time.

Of course CS is "concerned" that Joe Wilson hasn't mentioned the Espionage Act...it's no doubt more "proof" that the Wilsons are guilty of "treason" and involved in the conspiracy as previously proclaimed by CS.

And for someone who apparently claims to have Fed legal expertise, CS kept insisting that the Fitz grand jury could be a "runaway jury" and return indictments without the Fed prosecutor's approval, despite established precedential Federal case law to the contrary.

Cite CS if you will, but also consider the previous false and dubious claims/assertions made by that source.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 02:11 PM
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13. Operation CHAOS, Operation Mockingbird...
Edited on Wed Feb-21-07 02:14 PM by EVDebs
Illegal domestic spying operations along with the NSA's warrantless op, make a mockery of what this trial is all about. Certainly Ms. Plame/Wilson was a covert undercover operative along with her company's employees. Certainly the CIA shouldn't be doing illegal ops to stifle domestic dissent.

But we know better now. Who in the media are the current agents of these illegal actions ? Of course we will never find THAT out. But our Congressmen/women can and should demand to know !

This is beyond just the Wilsons. This affects all of the domestic ops soon to be concentrating on the Democratic convention site in Denver in 2008

CIA plans to shift work to Denver
Domestic Division Would Be Moved

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/05/AR2005050501860.html

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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 07:52 PM
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14. Interesting quote in your link
"including setting up more front corporations and working closer with established international firms."

Do these "front corporations" sell stock, too?
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 12:03 AM
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15. In-Q-Tel is a CIA front company
Business: The Economy
CIA invests in Silicon Valley
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/the_economy/461574.stm

You may also wish to investigate ChoicePoint and the Bahamas based company 'former' CIA man Ben H. Bell III has set up, Global Information Group Ltd.

Bahamas Firm Screens Personal Data To Assess Risk
Operation Avoids U.S. Privacy Rules
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A36853-2004Oct15?language=printer

in order to avoid domestic US jurisdiction, oversight, and lawsuits...

BFEE is now offshore and outsourcing everything.

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