Clinton shipping in "supporters" for her NH events from other states!! huh???

[Windy]

Just head Joe Scarborough talking about it on Shultz.

That is pretty pathetic

[TwilightZone]

1. Scarborough and Schultz. Now there is an unbiased pair of guys.

[Windy]

3. the info came from Andrea Mitchell apparently. n/t

[Lone_Star_Dem]

2. Oh, boy.

I want more proof that she's doing it than just Scarborough's word.

[Windy]

4. Its already been posted on DU... there are other print articles out there.

many outstate license plates in the parking lot at the Nashua High School rally yesterday.

[avaistheone1]

6. I read that somewhere about Obama's campaign.

But, I don't know if it's actually true about either one.

[rox63]

11. Nashua is right on the MA border

I'm in MA, and I'm going to an Obama event tomorrow. The candidates don't usually spend much time in Massachusetts, so we have to go up to NH to see and hear them in person. If most of those cars were from other New England states, it's probably for the same reason I'm going up there too.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

13. I've not seen it yet

And just because someone comes from out of state to see her speak does not mean she's busing in people.

For that matter, even if she is so long as all they're doing is listening to her speak I doubt there's anything wrong with that either.

[Libby2]

31. So, you start another thread about it?

heh-heh-heh

[SteppingRazor]

5. You mean like Obama busing in college kids to caucus in Iowa?

Point being, I don't see either of these things as a big deal. Hillary may not get a chance to visit a lot of northeastern states that have later primaries. Why shouldn't these people see her while they have the chance?

[rox63]

15. New England states are mostly pretty small

So it's not that much of a drive to see candidates in NH. I live in Mass, but I'm only a 30 minute drive from Nashua, which is just over the border from MA

[AngryAmish]

16. agreed

[Emit]

7. Is that unusual?

I thought they all did that.

[Alexander]

10. No but it's only wrong if Obama does it.

Otherwise it's no big deal. :eyes:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

8. when its attacks against hillary we believe scarborough?

yeah thats a real good source

also its very likely a misrepresentation of what is actually happening.

[fascisthunter]

9. The Ole Pump em Up Tactic

"perception is everything"

:puffpiece:

[Elspeth]

12. Obama did the same in Iowa. Oprah paid for college students to be bused in

to vote for him. CLinton is just trying to level the playing field. She's got to do this if she's not going to lose in NH.

[Windy]

17. They have to be residents of the state to vote for a candidate in that state.

What we are talking about here is a photoop.. manufactured crowds...
like a plastic turkey at thanksgiving!!

[Tarheel_Dem]

29. I'm an Edwards supporter, but can you provide a link to your source....

that cites Oprah paying to bus students to Obama events? That's a pretty scurrilous charge if true. And I wouldn't believe anything Joe Scarborough has to say about any of our good candidates.

[Breeze54]

35. Student volunteers descend on Iowa

Student volunteers descend on Iowa

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7631.html

By: Ben Adler
Dec 31, 2007 06:13 AM EST

Politically engaged college students are forgoing their coveted winter breaks to brave the frigid terrain of Iowa.

Young people enthusiastic about their candidate, or in some cases just the democratic process, are descending on Iowa in droves to volunteer and observe.

Some, obviously, are directly volunteering for candidates. Others are students at Iowa colleges who grew up out of state and are coming back just to caucus. And a few are there to learn about the process.

All campaigns are welcoming volunteers. Some, like the John Edwards campaign, have made volunteering a simple matter of signing up online.

But Barack Obama’s campaign was so deluged with out-of-state volunteers that it has decided to limit the number who may come.

One Obama supporter who did not make the cut was Rachel Lauter, 23, of Brooklyn, N.Y. Lauter is active in Brooklyn for Barack, a coalition of Obama supporters in the borough.

The group had arranged through Obama’s New York office to travel to Iowa to volunteer in the weeks leading up to the caucuses. But on the day Lauter was to buy her plane ticket, members were told that Iowa had more than enough volunteers already. Instead, they were encouraged to focus their energies on the Northeast and, in particular, on New Hampshire.

snip-->

On the other hand, not all indicators are so positive. Young Voter PAC, a Democratic youth voter-mobilization organization, has offered transportation subsidies to Iowa college students from out of state who want to caucus for the Democrats but for whom cost might be an issue. Young Voter PAC has put up ads on Facebook, Google and the Des Moines Register website, in addition to blasting a list of 58,000 18- to 35-year-old registered Democrats in Iowa with text messages and e-mails.

Jane Fleming Kleeb, Young Voter PAC’s executive director, said she was disappointed that very few students took them up on their offer at first. But, noting college students’ famous tendency to procrastinate, she said it is encouraging that most of the 84 applications have come in since Friday, suggesting that many more may soon follow.

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I couldn't find anything on Google about Oprah or buses but she may have help that PAC. :shrug:

[Tarheel_Dem]

36. I knew about the out of state students being in Iowa, but the

poster charged that "OPRAH" paid for the buses. I'd like to see proof of that before making a judgement. If the poster cannot provide such proof, he/she should come back and say so.

[Breeze54]

37. I answered you at the bottom of my reply.

I understood what you were asking but so what if she did pay for some buses? :shrug:

MA legislatures did too!

[Tarheel_Dem]

38. I have no problem with you Breeze....but the o.p. leveled a charge

at someone whom I admire a great deal, and I'd still like to see proof. The poster makes it sound as if Oprah is trying to buy an election, and I don't like the sound of that.

[Breeze54]

14. This is NORMAL in an Election !!!

Kucinich supporters are in NH helping and Edwards has people helping and and so do all the other candidates!

Why do you think they all have links to 'Volunteer' on their campaign websites? :shrug:

In 2004, I went out of state to help get Kerry elected! So did a lot of other people!

That's how it works. What, did you think they'd be doing all that work all by themselves? That's impossible!

[Windy]

18. Its a staged photo op. to make it appear that HRC is drawing the same crowds as Obama, which its not

What she is doing is certainly not "illegal" but it is dishonest!

[Breeze54]

23. No, it isn't! Cape Cod MA legislatures chartered buses to go up to NH!!

And many people from MA are driving up there to volunteer or just see their candidate.

I'm sure people from Rhode Island, New York, Connecticut, Vermont and Maine are also there in NH!

You must be very young and new to elections and how they work, if this surprises you.

You need to activate your profile, Windy or people start wondering about you. Just sayin'.

[Didereaux]

19. and that is worse than the buses Obama sent out to out of state students in Iowa?

You probably ought to spend more time reading and thinking and less time being a mindless thrall.

[Renew Deal]

20. There might be some truth to this.

I know the Nassau County Democratic Committee (LI) sent up buses of supporters.

[Dems Will Win]

24. Holy Shit -- Really?

[Renew Deal]

26. Yes, why?

:shrug:

[DS1]

21. NH is the only time anyone in MA has a chance to see any candidate

they never stop here.

[Dems Will Win]

22. Was wondering why she had decent crowds. Now we know

She must have a caravan going from event to event!

[IDemo]

25. The statute seems a bit vague on what constitutes residency:

http://www.sos.nh.gov/rsa654.htm

CHAPTER 654

VOTERS AND CHECKLISTS

Eligibility

654:1 Voter; Office Holder.

I. Every inhabitant of the state, having a single domicile for voting purposes, being a citizen of the United States, of the age provided for in Article 11 of Part First of the Constitution of New Hampshire, shall have a right at any meeting or election, to vote in the town, ward, or unincorporated place in which he or she is domiciled. An inhabitant's domicile for voting purposes is that one place where a person, more than any other place, has established a physical presence and manifests an intent to maintain a single continuous presence for domestic, social, and civil purposes relevant to participating in democratic self-government. A person has the right to change domicile at any time, however a mere intention to change domicile in the future does not, of itself, terminate an established domicile before the person actually moves. A person's claim of domicile for voting purposes shall not be conclusive of the person's residence for any other legal purpose.

***********************************

Sorry, but whether one can legally qualify as having established a 'domicile' or not, having done so strictly for the purpose of showing a false level of support in a caucus or primary represents a form of election fraud, no matter which party or candidate is involved. The law needs to be updated to prevent this kind of nonsense.

My opinion.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

27. But this isn't about voting

It's oly about people attending her events that are not from NH.

It's more akin to discussing how I've traveled to New Mexico to help campaign before. Should that not be allowed?

[IDemo]

28. I understand that now, but there were one or two comments about voting as well

Certainly volunteers should be able to come from anywhere.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

30. My apologies

I was just attempting clarify before snowballed. :hi:

[Breeze54]

32. Your OP is off the point... you might want to edit it.

;)

Nobody from out of state is voting in NH tomorrow! :P

[IDemo]

33. Please see #28

[Marrah_G]

34. You do realize that Nashua is not a long drive from....MA,RI,CT,VT and Maine right?

Many of these places are close then the most northern parts of the state are to Nashua.

My daughter wanted to go today but I couldn't get out of work. It would have been 1.5ish hours (at the most) from me and I live on the MA/RI border. We attended Kerry events in NH in 2004.

I think many people do not understand New England.

Oh...and you faux outrage over buses.....I was on a political action bus in September...to D.C. It is far easier then driving there for many people and allow those without a car (like half of Boston)to go to events.

If I lived on the Cape I would have loved to have been able to get a spot on a charter to see my candidate of choice.