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GaYellaDawgDem Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 06:17 PM
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Pls help me respond to this email...
I have several ideas but I want to be concise and to the point and not respond with something as bloated and strawman as the following email I received a little ago:

Think About It


The other day I was reading Newsweek magazine and came across some poll data I found rather hard to believe. It must be true given the source, right?

The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are unhappy with the direction the country is headed and 69 percent of the country is unhappy with the performance of the president. In essence 2/3s of the citizenry just ain't happy and want a change.

So being the knuckle dragger I am, I started thinking, ''What we are so unhappy about?''

Is it that we have electricity and running water 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning in the summer and heating in the winter? Could it be that 95.4 percent of these unhappy folks have a job? Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery store at any time and see more food in moments than Darfur has seen in the last year?

Maybe it is the ability to drive from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean without having to present identification papers as we move through each state? Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we would find along the way that can provide temporary shelter? I guess having thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from around the world is just not good enough. Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency workers show up and provide services to help all and even send a helicopter to take you to the hospital.

Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans who own a home. You may be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of a fire, a group of trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top notch equipment to extinguish the flames thus saving you, your family and your belongings. Or if, while at home watching one of your many flat screen TVs, a burglar or prowler intrudes , an officer equipped with a gun and a bullet-proof vest will come to defend you and your family against attack or loss. This all in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or militias raping and pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90 percent of teenagers own cell phones and computers.

How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world? Maybe that is what has 67 percent of you folks unhappy.

Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S., yet has a great disdain for its citizens. They see us for what we are. The most blessed people in the world who do nothing but complain about what we don't have, and what we hate about the country instead of thanking the good Lord we live here.

I know, I know. What about the president who took us into war and has no plan to get us out? The president who has a measly 31 percent approval rating? Is this the same president who guided the nation in the dark days after 9/11? The president that cut taxes to bring an economy out of recession? Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in the book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled ungrateful brats safe from terrorist attacks? The commander in chief of an all-volunteer army that is out there defending you and me?

Did you hear how bad the President is on the news or talk show? Did this news affect you so much, make you so unhappy you couldn't take a look around for yourself and see all the good things and be glad? Think about it......are you upset at the President because he actually caused you personal pain? OR, is it because the "Media" told you he was failing to kiss your sorry ungrateful behind every day.

Make no mistake about it. The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have volunteered to serve, and in many cases may have died for your freedom. There is currently no draft in this country. They didn't have to go. They are able to refuse to go and end up with either a ''general'' discharge, an ''other than honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario, a ''dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the brig.

So why then the flat-out discontentment in the minds of 69 percent of Americans? Say what you want but I blame it on the media. If it bleeds it leads and they specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a car crash with blood and guts. How many will watch kids selling lemonade at the corner? The media knows this and media outlets are for-profit corporations. They offer what sells , and when criticized, try to defend their actions by "justifying" them in one way or another. Just ask why they tried to allow a murderer like O.J. Simpson to write a book about how he didn't kill his wife, but if he did he would have done it this way...... Insane!

Stop buying the negativism you are fed everyday by the media. Shut off the TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New York Times for the bottom of your bird cage. Then start being grateful for all we have as a country. There is exponentially more good than bad. WE ARE THE MOST BLESSED PEOPLE ON EARTH, WE SHOULD THANK GOD SEVERAL TIMES PER DAY.....

I have thrown away the Newsweek renewal form.




ANNOY A LIBERAL TODAY...


All thoughts, ideas, advice, etc. are kindly welcomed! GYDD

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Dyedinthewoolliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 06:23 PM
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1. My free advice?
Don't bother. Most of this can be de-bunked on Snopes or through analysis. The statements contradict themselves. We are told the media is responsible but when is the last time we say a coffin, or a double amputee GI, from Iraq on TV?
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 06:23 PM
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2. I call BS on the troops being there VOLUNTARILY
T"hey didn't have to go. They are able to refuse to go and end up with either a ''general'' discharge, an ''other than honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario, a ''dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the brig."
:wtf:

Tell that to Lt Watada perhaps?

What about all the troops trapped by stop loss? What about the National Guard - who thought they would be helping thir community on the homefront? What about the reservists? What about the IRR ("ready" reserve - most of whom have not trained for the up to 8 years after their enlistments were up) being called back to war duty?
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 06:24 PM
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3. Tell them to go f-themselves. And point out the nearest
recruiting place for them.

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Stephist Donating Member (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 06:27 PM
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4. Yes. Ignore everything and everybody
and just sit in your chair and stare into space...you to can be perfectly happy. This is how Conservatives recruit. They tell you ignore everyone else and don't bother thinking for yourself because they can do the thinking for you. Limbaugh, Boortz, Hannity, Savage and so many more have made quite a healthy living using these recruitment tactics.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 06:29 PM
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5. the whole thing is a strawman. he says right at the top we are unhappy
with the direction we are headed in so what does the air conditioning have to do with that??

i'd point out that those soldiers, who bravely volunteered, are being warehoused in facilities as bad as the worst flea bag motel in the inner city unlike that lucky traveler who can find a clean and safe hotel anywhere on the interstate.

i'd point out that the USA's international reputation has been harmed, badly so. if Colin Powell tried to give his UN speech today, he'd be laughed out of the chamber (if he was lucky, an unlucky day would include spoiled vegatation)

I'd point out that there was almost a 9 year lag between the two WTC attacks and that 6 years doesn't not make us safe from future attacks

i'd point out that we are deeper in debt to China, our retirement plans have been gutted and our children will take years to rebuild the military that has been stretched to the breaking point attacking a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 and was no threat to us or it's neighbors

i'd point out that the middle class has had it's jobs shipped overseas at an alarming rate, our health insurance is sky high and that our energy costs are high and keep climbing, eating up more and more of what little excess cash we may have.

it's a rich and wonderful country we live in, for sure. but it is our duty and responsibility to sound the alarm when needed

:hi:
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 06:29 PM
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6. Well,
way too much junk to debunk. I will say this

"Why am I unhappy with the direction the country is headed? Well, you see, I was raised during a time when I was unfailingly proud to say I was an American. I could hold my head up with pride at my nationality. We were the Good Guys. We did things by the book. Enemies lay down their arms and surrendered to us because we were a model of Military justice.

Now, I hear our 31% approval-rating President sends innocent people away to be tortured. We humiliate and degrade our enemies instead of fairly defeating them. I am ashamed at our country's leadership. I want us back on the right track so my children can always raise their heads up and be proud to be an American.

I don't let me kids cheat on tests, I don't let them play dirty in sports, or in life, I'll be damned if I consider it honorable to do so in war. I am an American - AND WE ARE BETTER THAN THAT."
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 06:32 PM
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7. I stopped even glancing at newsweek years ago
Edited on Wed Feb-21-07 06:33 PM by PATRICK
When they were promoting the blind optimism about cannibalistic capitalism lording it over the Eloi. They still do and fortunately things are so bad now that they must veer toward self-preservation and sanity and thus lose more duped customers who don't get it and can't as the hold of lies is slipping. Then it will strike the person whose hold on pollyanna reality has been sealed by stealing the government and ruining it and its roles to serve our rights and survival that he can save himself a lot of grief while tuning out by subscribing to Good days or some nostalgia magazine about the joys of cultivating one's own garden.

If we can get rid of corporate rags like the Time Warner Pravda clones AND the idiotic interference of blind Conservatives in real government those hobbits of the mind might indeed enjoy the Smallville white bread weak tea Christian life because of the toil of rational decent citizens who can make the nation work according to its ideals, not its fears.

So Kudos for the dropping out of those desiring unquestioned self-gratification and bug-eyed optimism. Good for them, good for us and bad for Newsreek.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 06:41 PM
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8. yeah yeah yeah - none of it means we shouldn't be trying to make all the wonderfullness even better
delete and put the moran on block
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 06:45 PM
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9. The problem with these things
They're such a long laundry list of things that are true but irrelevant, things that are weasels (technically true but meant to deceive), and outright lies. If you counter a few of the points, it looks as if you are admitting that the others are valid.

I'd check Snopes. If Snopes debunks it, send him the link.

If it's not on Snopes, ask who the author of the piece is and ask where the author gets his statistics. Remember, it's your friend's responsibility to prove the truth of his claims, not your responsibility to do his research for him.

Then, if you want, tell your friend that you long ago stopped reading e-mails that start or end with "think about it" because they're usually unattributed tripe and life's too short to have to read it all.
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GaYellaDawgDem Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 07:02 PM
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16. I tries Snopes and found nothing
I've used that on him before a few months ago regarding some crap he sent about a Pelosi rumor. That kept him at bay until now. I think he figured there was so much bunk in this email that I wouldn't bother checking. Thanks for the ideas on asking about the author as well as mentioning I will delete "thinking" posts right off the bat from here on.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 11:02 AM
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27. Another thing DUers do
When you reply, hit "reply to all." That'll send your answer to his whole e-mail list. That can be quite embarrassing, and he likely will stop sending you that crap. I should have mentioned that yesterday.
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AnotherDreamWeaver Donating Member (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 06:45 PM
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10. Do you know the writer?
Isn't their sign off of "ANNOY A LIBERAL TODAY..." showing what a troll they are? But I could respond that the stealing of the 2000 election (verified by the vote count in Florida) and likely in 2002 and 2004 is reason enough to be unhappy with the administration we have.

It appears to me the writer gets more satisfaction being a jerk and knowing it than being a friend to humanity.

Good luck educating them, ADW
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GaYellaDawgDem Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 06:50 PM
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13. Yeah I know him...
I was raised with him and he fell off the wagon some time ago. He didn't grow up as a jerk or troll, he just seems to be evolving into that for some reason.
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GaYellaDawgDem Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 06:45 PM
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11. Thanks All and I should have mentioned...
this came from my brother who served about 10 years in the Army and since then has been in the Reserves. We were not raised like this so I know he's been brainwashed somewhere along the way. My mother was recently shocked when I told her that her other son was a repug. I know he includes me when he forwards this drivel to simply piss me off. I love my brother but he knows he can't hold up to me one on one when it comes to politics. That's why I feel the need to educate him even if he is a knuckle dragger. He could come around eventually, huh?

Thanks again all!

:toast:
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 06:47 PM
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12. don't succumb to his true reason for sending this.
as the note ended--"annoy a liberal today"

All of his arguments are non sequitur to the issue that an overwhelming marjority in this country do not want our tax dollars going to fund an illegal war and we do not want any more American blood shed just so a microscopic few can profit with appalling vulgarity from said war and no one else sees a fuckin' dime. THAT is the issue. Anything else is clutternoise aimed at annoying you.

When he has lost his family members in that senseless war, then he can say something. Until then, he needs to keep his shit to himself.
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GaYellaDawgDem Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 06:57 PM
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14. Thanks
I think he thinks it's funny to annoy his older liberal brother. In our last political "discussion" the only comeback he had was something to do with a decade old blue dress. And amazingly, I don't think he's lost too many buddies in this debacle and just cannot see that his family doesn't want him sent there to maybe become a casualty as well. And yes, I really do wish he'd keep his shit to himself!

Thanks again!

5 years here and almost to 100 posts!!
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 06:59 PM
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15. Because 67% of us realize the world doesn't revolve around us
and our good fortune?

Seriously, this is astroturf: an article written by one person who usually remains anonymous then is spread (like astroturf) by the mindless followers so the followers don't have to think for themselves. I'm presuming, since they don't think for themselves, they are probably quite "happy" since one person who usually remains anonymous, tells them they are happy.

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GaYellaDawgDem Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 07:04 PM
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17. Your subject line speaks volumes!
Thanks...I really like that line!
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 07:08 PM
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18. You're welcome. I hope it helps. :D
:hi:

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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 07:14 PM
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19. God I hate feel good-glurgy-half truthed-sappy-bullshit.
Edited on Wed Feb-21-07 07:16 PM by tjwash
:puke:

WTF is he gonna do next? Sing that annoying Lee Greenwood song at the top of his lungs while wearing his American flag shirt(made in China) lace up his USA #1! shoes (made in Thailand) and get into his gas guzzling Hummer (made in China, Mexico, Japan, Canada, and Costa Rica) while blasting country-western tunes out of his IPOD (also made in China), with his little American flags (made in Taiwan) flying from the Antenna?

Unbelievable that people can be so damn easily distracted from the fucking we are getting. People are losing their homes from the housing market being flooded with tons of predatory loans. Personal bankruptcies are at an all time high because the cost of everything has gone up but wages have remained completely stagnant. Health care is in shambles, and if you have the audacity and poor planning to get sick without insurance and end up owing 80 plus thousand for an emergency open heart surgery, well you are just screwed-they won't let you file bankruptcy for stuff like that anymore. Don't even get me started on education, jobs going overseas, how our domestic program is in shambles, and how China is financing a huge part of our national debt.

But that's OK, just write the pentagon a 700 BILLION dollar check, with money we don't have. We can just lay off a few thousand teachers, outsource our port security to Mexico, and move all of our infrastructure engineering to Peru. Everything is JUUUUUUSt fine. So make sure you charge up a plasma screen TV (made in China, Japan, and Taiwan) on your little 23 percent interest credit card that you will never have a chance in hell of paying off, and tell everyone what a REAL American you are because you know how to consume, consume, consume, with zero-zip-nada regard for any fucking thing in the world but your own selfish little gratification addiction

The United States of DUH. This mother fucker is the very definition of Nero fiddling while Rome burns to the ground.




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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 07:19 PM
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20. I had electricity before Mr.bush was in office.
Too bad my friends on the gulf coast don't electricity 1 1/2 yrs after Katrina hit, even with FEMA help.

The rest reads like a white feelin'good upper-class neighborhood church potluck woohoo get together. If white upper-class neighborhoods had them. How about not being isolationists and helping out people who are not white upper-class USAnian people?
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 07:47 PM
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21. A response -- for what it's worth ...
Edited on Wed Feb-21-07 07:52 PM by NanceGreggs
Firstly, I am baffled as to how one can equate thinking the country is going in the wrong direction with simply being spoiled or unhappy. It’s about the direction of the country and where that direction is leading us. “Happiness” has nothing to do with it.

Yes, we still have running water and electricity. But our infrastructure is outmoded and in disrepair. Estimates to sustain it at present levels are in the multi-billions of dollars – which we don’t have, because we’re spending that money on the great success in Iraq instead.

Just because your government tells you that 95 percent of the population are employed doesn’t make it so. You know those low unemployment numbers you read about? Did you know that once your unemployment benefits run out, you are no longer counted as being unemployed – whether you’ve found another job or not? Those numbers also don’t reflect how many citizens are now working more hours for less pay, or have lost benefits that used to be part of their compensation. Maybe people think we’re going in the “wrong direction” when the average CEO now makes in one day what the average worker makes per year.

I guess people who see their jobs being outsourced to cheap labour markets, or those who now have to hold down two jobs just to keep their bills paid when one job used to be sufficient, are just “spoiled brats”.

If your house catches fire or is burglarized, of course you’re happy to see the appropriate first responders arrive on the scene. Maybe it’s the fact that the number of police and firefighters are being cut back due to lack of funding, at the same time a billion-dollar US embassy is being built in Baghdad, that has people so down in the dumps.

Of course, you can also rest assured that if your house does burn down, or is burglarized, or is destroyed by a hurricane, you’re looking at spending the rest of your life in court, trying to get a penny out of the insurance company you’ve paid your premiums to all of those years. But that’s what insurance industry lobbyists are paid for, ensuring they’re off-the-hook.

I don’t think religious freedom is causing anyone to lose their smiles, but the stranglehold that religious fanatics have on the present administration is making people a bit testy. We are a nation founded on freedom of religion; we are also a nation founded on the principle of separation of church and state. And when that separation is eroded, that’s not a freedom – that’s a loss of freedom.

The world LOVES the US? You might want to read a newspaper that’s less than six years old. Things have changed – maybe you just didn’t notice.

Nice motels, nice restaurants? Can’t see how that would get anyone upset. But I DO see how billions of tax dollars being spent on an unnecessary and illegal war while millions of Americans are homeless and hungry would ruin your day. Some people are just like that – they can’t, in good conscience, ignore the plight of their fellow citizens. Maybe they should all just go to a nice restaurant instead of worrying about people who don’t have any food.

As for that president who led us through the dark days after 9/11, maybe if he’d bothered listening to those who told him such an attack was imminent, there wouldn’t have been a 9/11 to deal with. Maybe the fact that he used it as an excuse to invade Iraq (you know, the country that didn’t attack us) is what has people wanting a better direction for the nation.

And then there’s those unhappy Americans who see how their sons and daughters were sent into combat without sufficient equipment to keep them safe, while billions of dollars were handed over to Halliburton and Bechtel et al – money that has yet to be fully accounted for. I don’t know about you, but seeing soldiers get their pay, their pensions and their benefits cut while they’re in combat kinda grates on my nerves, especially when it’s due to the same people who keep talking about how they’re “Supporting the Troops”.

The treatment (or lack thereof) these same soldiers get when they come home, severely wounded and permanently handicapped, might also be a cause for “unhappiness” among the population – especially when they hear about literally tons of cash “gone missing” in the fog of war, and the fact that no one in the government can be bothered to even find out where it went.

But we’re told they are fighting for our freedoms – you know, the very freedoms that have disappeared while they were away fighting. Maybe that’s what has all of us spoiled brats in such a bad mood. But, hey, it’s not like all freedoms have vanished – we’ve got those new freedoms to replace them, like the president’s freedom to ignore the Constitution, the law, and just do as he pleases. I guess we ungrateful bastards are just not happy with that particular trade-off – damn us all to hell.

We used to be the most blessed people on earth. We used to have freedom of speech (now we’re told to shut up if we don’t agree with where our country is headed.) We used to have transparent and fair elections (now we have Diebold). We used to have freedom of assembly (now we can wind up on a watch list if we attend an anti-war protest). We used to be guaranteed legal recourse if unjustly accused (now we can just be labeled ‘enemy combatants’ and our rights go out the nearest window).

Yeah, I don’t know what we’re all bitchin’ about. We should all just shut up and count our blessings – and as we see those ‘blessings’ (previously known as ‘rights’) fall by the wayside, we shouldn’t bother to speak up about it. We should all just check into one of those friendly motels along the highway, enjoy the propaganda (previously known as ‘honest journalism’) on the big-screen TV, break into the mini-bar and toast the end of democracy.

What a bunch of whiners we've become. If only the founders of our nation hadn't been such spoiled brats, throwing tea in the harbor with that ungrateful attitude of theirs, we wouldn't ever have been bothered with being asked whether we thought our country was going in the right direction or not.

We simply would have been TOLD that it was -- kind of like we're being TOLD now.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 08:37 PM
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24. Copy, paste...send.
Perfect. :yourock:
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GaYellaDawgDem Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 09:07 PM
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25. OMG...it's worth a lot!
Thanks Nance! You've put a lot of what I was thinking in a jumbled over-long kind of way and what others here have advised into a nice response that will definitely rattle my brother's misplaced mind. I wish I could be patient enough to compose my thoughts so well.

It's true... :yourock: In fact, you all do! Thanks so much to all of you for your help...I'm about to ruin my little bro's night!
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 10:27 PM
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26. I'm not a big fan of ruining someone's night ...
... but in THIS case - GO TO IT!!!!!

:patriot:
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 08:07 PM
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22. So the message is we've got it good, we shouldn't complain?
There's no reason to be upset with Bush** over the war he lied us into or the rights he's curtailed or the laws he's broken? Those who've lost their jobs to outsourcing and can't find another, or have gone bankrupt over medical bills, or can't feed their kids, should just shut up and be glad they're American?

This is a running theme with the RW. Sweep all the shit their side has dumped on this country under the rug by arguing against the normal functions of a democracy. Too bad for them, sit down and shut up is not the American way. If it were, we'd still be a colony of England.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 08:11 PM
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23. How about these issues
Poverty level is on the rise.

Gas prices on the rise.

Healthcare costs on the rise, level of care is low.

Cost of college on the rise.

Homelessness on the rise.

Disparity between rich and poor growing.

Deficit is higher than ever.

American soldiers dying in Iraq. That alone should make anyone with a heart be concerned.
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