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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:04 AM Original message |
CNN exit polls MATCHED the actual results of the New Hampshire Primary. (UPDATED 5PM -- PLEASE READ) |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
1. Yeah. Even the early exit polls showed it just about tied. |
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peabody71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
180. STOLEN! |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #180 |
188. The fact the NH. election is unverifiable, how about in November? |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:53 PM Response to Reply #188 |
264. Exit polls are used by international observers |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
2. Don't strain your fingers. So far this morning I've learned that it |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:08 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. For all we know, it could have been racism. |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:10 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. And the Clinton Iowa loss could have been sexism |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
181. but we knew the media motivation...and... |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:13 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Well, if you don't know then it's wrong to chalk it up to that, isn't |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:15 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. You really don't help your cause when you call him Barrie. (nt) |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #15 |
46. I don't have a cause. I just can't believe that even now people |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:48 AM Response to Reply #15 |
297. I don't know if the poster realizes this, but he was called Barry in school in Hawaii |
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Tiggeroshii (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #9 |
80. sorry, wrong reply |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #80 |
88. Self-Delete.... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #3 |
85. Very good point. |
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whopis01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
122. Oh... I had thought it was reverse sexual discrimination.... n/t |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
4. Thanks for some sanity |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
6. Are 2,000 voters out of 200,000 a large enough sample? Just asking. |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:12 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. for radio ratings it's more than enough |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:14 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. I am not a statistician. I do not know what a statistically significant sample is. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:17 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. I am. And yes. |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #19 |
103. Sounds Like It Should Count |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #12 |
77. The Answer Is Maybe |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:19 AM Response to Reply #6 |
24. Yes it is. But the size of the sample is only one of the facets that makes a poll scientific. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:26 AM Response to Reply #6 |
64. no poll has more than that |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #6 |
87. YES. That is a huge sample. |
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grizmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
267. In a word, yes. Here's a mini explanation |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
7. K&R for sanity... |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
10. Sanity for breakfast! Yummy! k/r nt |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
11. Oh precious oasis of sanity.... |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
13. The problem is that networks adjust exit polls to reflect voter tallies. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:46 AM Response to Reply #13 |
42. But this was not just a 2 numbers exit poll - it was a detailed, demographics poll |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
137. I don't know your reference, but what you've described sounds like an adjustment of the weights. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:57 PM Response to Reply #13 |
253. Those of us following the 2004 election and the exit polls did screen shots |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
14. Thanks. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
16. Did those pre-election polls question 57% women in their sample? The Tweety factor |
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Rock_Garden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
17. Thanks for this. I still say this is one great race. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
18. Thanks for bringing |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
20. Thank you Skinner |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
21. Thanks for the post |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
22. Thanks for that. nt |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
23. God forbid we actually post something that makes sense to this crowd |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #23 |
255. The post helps you understand how to use ratios in terms of |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
25. But Skinner, after 2004 EVERYBODY said exit polls were inaccurate! |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:28 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Uh no. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:44 AM Response to Reply #25 |
39. Not everybody. Only the election stealers. They wanted exit polls banned. |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
250. I have never told the truth to an exit pollster about my vote OR my demographic. |
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Mark E. Smith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
26. But wait! Obama got 36% of the vote!!! |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
27. An extremely important factor that seems to be overlooked by MSM ... |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
28. One point however. |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 07:54 PM Response to Reply #28 |
241. At exactly 8:00 PM, the moment the polls closed |
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RagingInMiami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
29. Now you had to go and ruin a good conspiracy theory |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
31. CNN? That's funny They didn't do their own. |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:32 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. The issue here is not whether the exit poll was conducted by CNN or Edison/Mitofsky. |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:53 AM Response to Reply #32 |
53. The exit poll numbers we got |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #53 |
65. how do you weight a poll |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #65 |
110. "unless, of course, the pollster is in league with the counters" |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. How does that show they're "in league" with the counters? |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #110 |
243. If those networks were out to fix it for Hillary |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #243 |
312. shh |
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Blarch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
33. Well,... |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
34. any thoughts on moving this stuff to the 9/11 or ER dungeons? |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. It should die down on its own as more people see the actual facts. |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:44 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. LOL! |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:28 AM Response to Reply #40 |
98. yeah, what you said and emoted n/t |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #36 |
102. Somehow I don't think that is going to happen |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #102 |
227. It's gotten worse all today as went on |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:54 AM Response to Reply #227 |
298. I was called a REPUBLICAN! nt |
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JMDEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:52 AM Response to Reply #34 |
51. Yes, yes! Let's ban all talk some people don't like. |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #51 |
72. I didn't suggest a moratorium on ludicrous topics, just proper classification |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
35. Thank you, Skinner! I feel so much better now. |
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Annces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #35 |
47. Yep |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
37. Check the returns in real time on these threads I posted - no anomaly here |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #37 |
73. I hope you can have a sticky thread |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
38. A welcome dose of reality. |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #38 |
89. And THAT is the real danger! If we scream "rigged" "stolen" "unfair" |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
41. Skinner, with all due respect....The only thing relevant about the |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:48 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Did the pre-election tracking polls have 57% women in their sample? |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:50 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. With respect, you are completely wrong. |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #45 |
59. With respect, I am not claiming fraud just trying to show that |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #59 |
78. misplaced concreteness, I think |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #78 |
104. Thanks for your courteous response. Refreshing. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #104 |
107. I'm not sure what you're saying in part of this |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #107 |
175. thank you |
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avrdream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #175 |
182. Fox news, the only 24 hour American channel we get here in Oz, said |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #175 |
198. let me just try again to point to a faulty premise |
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mirrera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #175 |
266. Thank you...n/t |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:22 PM Response to Reply #59 |
247. A common misperception pushed by conspiracy theorists |
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grizmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #45 |
270. Actually exit polls are notoriously inaccurate |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Clinton won fare and square last night. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:39 AM Response to Reply #41 |
69. this only works if you have the exact same sample |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:59 AM Response to Reply #69 |
299. Unless your name is Kerry. NT |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
119. I don't really understand this. I wish you'd post it as an OP |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:16 AM Response to Reply #41 |
293. Before Iowa Hillary was slightly ahead among a majority of voters |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
44. But, but, Rove ... and his Illuminati powers and his machine that controls the weather |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:53 AM Response to Reply #44 |
52. LOL! |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
49. Thanks, Skinner. It was pretty clear as soon as the exit polls came out that Hillary was ahead. |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
50. some other "facts" |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:55 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. That's a link to the DU Greatest Page. |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #55 |
167. take 2 |
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Vektor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #55 |
203. Tee-hee... |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
54. Well this blows the shit out of the chances for another good conspiracy theory |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:03 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Oh, there will still be plenty of conspiracy theories thrown about. |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
57. Exit polls have caused revolutions in recent history...... |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
58. Who did the exit polls? |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. I heard it was |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #60 |
177. It was that water thingy Ed Harris came in contact with in The Abyss |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #58 |
116. ABC, the Associated Press, CBS, CNN, Fox, and NBC |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #116 |
123. THE Edison/Mitofsky of "correct the exit poll with actual results" fame? |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
61. Geeze. You, sir, are what we would call a spoil sport where I come from |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:19 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Please explain #41 and #59 |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:23 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. It's been explained a number of times but you will not listen. |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. no, it hasn't. if you are serious, please answer point by point in |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #66 |
94. One last time |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #94 |
106. Please, Your condescending tone is not helpful |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #106 |
115. I am not being condescending |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #115 |
126. As long as you think that it is perfectly logical that ALL |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #126 |
130. I wish you well |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #126 |
133. This is ridiculous |
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wpdanny (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
67. Exit polls are more accurate than actual results! |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. umm, not exactly |
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Raffi Ella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
68. ah,nice.Thank You. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
70. The reason the exit poll matched the actual results is because Edison/Mitofsky |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #70 |
75. LOL - too neat and tidy NOT to be suspicious |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #70 |
79. Well then, your job is clear. |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Will CNN release the raw data? |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #79 |
145. Considering they did exactly that in 2004 I think the burden of proof |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #79 |
146. All I'm doing is calling the results into question. |
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youthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:43 PM Response to Reply #79 |
230. Well isn't it obvious Skinner? Hillary used her mind powers to persuade voters and switch the tally. |
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JAbuchan08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #79 |
272. Sorry skinner, I'd be happy to do just that, and prove myself and every other skeptic wrong |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #70 |
81. actually, they waited for the polls to close |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #81 |
143. No, the polls in the VAST majority of NH cities closed at 7:00. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #143 |
151. the "VAST majority of NH cities" actually are towns |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #151 |
169. Well, I didn't see the exit poll tabs blogged in real time myself. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #169 |
170. here's one |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #170 |
176. Thanks. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #176 |
178. it might also be useful |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #70 |
84. That is what I was wondering about. |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:11 PM Response to Reply #84 |
193. Thanks for this, WakingLife. That is my problem, too. Were the exit polls that |
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Tiberius (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #193 |
197. I could not have said it better myself |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:54 PM Response to Reply #193 |
209. Secret shit doesn't cut it with me anymore. |
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mirrera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #193 |
268. Thank you...n/t |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
74. Skinner, I'm sorry to have to disagree a bit |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
76. Don't confuse us with LOGIC. We're too busy rounding up scapegoats, witches and boogeymen. |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #76 |
201. If those things had all happened in '00, '02, '04, and '06, you bet we'd be rounding them up |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #201 |
311. Don't force them to think. |
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Tiggeroshii (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
83. The exit poll numbers weren't released until after the results were in, right? |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. The announced job of exit polls is to analyze voter trends... |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #83 |
96. mostly wrong (with respect) |
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Anarcho-Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
90. What on earth... ? |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. The Democratic Party doesn't count its own votes... |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
92. What are the odds of that?? |
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BigDDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
93. Coming soon: |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
95. But that's not fair! You ruined my fears, wahhhhh. (thanks for this post) nt |
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Khaotic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
97. CNN Wouldn't Talk About Exit Poll Info ... |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #97 |
101. "Straight up ... people need to get their heads out of their asses and see reality." |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #97 |
105. Spot on. See #104. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #97 |
108. Am I getting this right? |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #108 |
249. They didn't substantially change the results of exit polling |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #97 |
113. I wish more people would take off their tin foil and see reality. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #113 |
135. You mean, like the New York Times? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #135 |
138. Good point! Maybe Diebold overstated Obama;s votes and Hillary's win was |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #138 |
140. How would we know? We trust them? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. No, we just believe whatever we want and anything that runs contrary to our |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #141 |
144. Why do we need to rely on belief? This an election |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #144 |
147. But what seems to happen is a reliance on belief regardless of anything else. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #147 |
150. Remember that the exit poll in 2004 was so far off, |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #150 |
157. no, you're actually remembering a fictional narrative (repost) |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #157 |
158. well, it's true that there was a partial recount |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #157 |
168. Which part is fictional? Your post shows there was a recount. |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #168 |
171. I didn't dispute the existence of a recount, only "they had to do a recount" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #171 |
174. I have no problem with your revision. It does seem more accurate to me, too. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #147 |
313. So you think voters should prefer to believe in Diebold than in what |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #97 |
228. Yes, and that's a GOOD thing |
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DeepModem Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
99. Thanks again, Skinner -- K&R. |
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sojourner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
100. thank you very much for this.......n/t |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
109. THANK YOU |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
112. 100% correct |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #112 |
117. In 2004, the NH exit poll was so wrong, they had to do a recount. n/t |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #117 |
131. Damn! Good thing they didn't let THAT happen again! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #131 |
280. FIXED it right this time!!! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #131 |
281. FIXED it right this time!!! |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #117 |
152. correction: Nader wanted to do a recount, and exit polls were never cited as a reason |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
114. Thanks, Skinner. |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
118. Thanks for sanity |
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Didereaux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
120. Now if only conspiricists would take their meds! |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #120 |
128. right and the "keep you head in the sand"'s take some uppers. nt |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #120 |
129. You mean like the rest, who take their SOMA like good citizens? |
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Hatchling (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
121. k&r |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
124. Isn't that just proof that CNN is in on this scam? |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #124 |
127. Nope. I think that is why they held out on a declaration. They |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
125. "There are lies, damn lies and statistics" |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
132. Thanks, Skinner... |
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ThePhilosopher04 (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
134. Exit polls prove nothing... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:39 PM Response to Reply #134 |
283. and that may be the beginning of solving this problem of stolen elections --- !!! |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
136. I'm glad to know that, thanks |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
139. ... |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
142. Thanks so much for posting this |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
148. Are you sure those aren't "adjusted" exit polls? |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #148 |
153. No- even the earlier exit polls were surprising |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #153 |
156. I wasn't making any accusations |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #156 |
162. Sorry for being so short tempered. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #162 |
164. No problem |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #148 |
155. Tfc |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #155 |
160. If I understand you correctly OTOH, you're saying that you believe that |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #160 |
161. more or less, yes |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #161 |
163. Do you have any idea why they couldn't make a projection? |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #163 |
166. because that is very close |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #161 |
187. That is my guess, too. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #187 |
239. hi, I didn't see this before |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:57 AM Response to Reply #239 |
301. Totally agree. Urgency because they are used everywhere this cycle |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:01 AM Response to Reply #301 |
302. a few loose ends |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #302 |
320. Incremental adjusting exit polls as precincts report |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:48 PM Response to Reply #320 |
322. just to make sure one point is clear |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 09:20 PM Response to Reply #322 |
332. We might have a slight confusion with the terms we are each using |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 07:51 AM Response to Reply #332 |
338. OK |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
149. Why were so many more women included in the sample? |
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grizmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #149 |
269. More women are in the population and are weighted to match |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
154. Awwww, Come on Skinner! |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
159. I'd like to believe all is fairly and accurately conducted, |
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sam kane (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
165. Skinner, why so much faith in Edison/Mitofsky? |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #165 |
184. why would there be a 50/50 gender split |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:07 AM Response to Reply #165 |
303. a few answers |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
172. We could just Hand Count the Paper Ballots, after all |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
173. for later... |
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peabody71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
179. And you trust them why? |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
183. We used exit polls to uncover fraud in 2004 |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #183 |
192. Where did that happen, and who is we? |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #192 |
202. It is all over the Web, L Coyote, and while that in and of itself doesn't make it true |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #192 |
262. A Primer: 2004 Election Fraud - Slideshow |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:34 AM Response to Reply #183 |
296. Well |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
185. More people need to see this.... |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
186. Of course they matched. They are routinely adjusted to match the actual returns. |
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BadgerLaw2010 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
189. Excellent post. Now can we ban this stupid subject? |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
190. IMPORTANT UPDATE ADDED 5:00 PM ET, WEDNESDAY |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #190 |
211. thanks for the update. |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:17 PM Response to Reply #190 |
225. "the burden of proof is on those making the claim"? No, no, no, NO! |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 07:39 PM Response to Reply #225 |
238. More sadness... |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:20 PM Response to Reply #238 |
246. Wishing I could recommend these posts. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:18 PM Response to Reply #225 |
245. Thank you Peace Patriot. Your response echoes my despair. |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:26 AM Response to Reply #225 |
307. You just cant refute that. Perfectly stated. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
191. Bottom Line: "no credible evidence has yet been provided to support the claim of fraud. " |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #191 |
194. Fair enough. However, there is little to explain the anomaly, |
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Tiberius (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #191 |
254. Why are we being asked to prove it? |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
195. The good news is that IF the election was stolen, then ... |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #195 |
314. Oh, indeed. It's an ill wind... Just a pity it wasn't old Joe Lieb who won |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
196. We appreciate you more than you'll ever know, Skinner |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
199. Regarding your 5:00pm update, Skinner, thank you for your level-headedness |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
200. kick for some facts |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #200 |
229. EXACTLY my point today! |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
204. yep. last night they were claiming that the news folks failed to mention 17% Undecided |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
205. and all I am saying Skinner is that the wild gyrations in the poll numbers |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #205 |
208. I can't get past having to trust CNN's polls. |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #208 |
217. Why should we accept CNN to be non-biased and fair in all of this. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #208 |
218. There is that, but them adjusting to match results is a practice that |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #205 |
256. I'm with you on us fighting the good fight until there is transperency |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
206. The Adjustment, Sir, Is Simply Inclusion Of A Proportionate Sampling Of Absentee Ballots |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:18 AM Response to Reply #206 |
304. probably not simply that, unless you have positive evidence |
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sam kane (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
207. Skinner, some evidence: Obama won in hand-counted precincts |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
210. OK, Iowa uses Diebold too. |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #210 |
212. Remember, there is a third viable candidate in this race. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:04 PM Response to Reply #212 |
215. Well, that's what the Paulites say too. |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #215 |
220. Explain why his second placing in Iowa, however small the margin was, |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:13 PM Response to Reply #220 |
224. Ignored, yes. |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:17 PM Response to Reply #224 |
226. But we are talking about exit polls and CNN and such. |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #210 |
214. Iowa uses PEOPLE. Not machines. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #214 |
219. Uh, no |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:10 PM Response to Reply #219 |
221. How does this work with the caucuses? |
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youthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:50 PM Response to Reply #221 |
232. Because there are no voting machines at caucus. |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #232 |
233. No Diebold involved then. That's what I thought. |
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youthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #219 |
231. Not for caucus we don't. |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:57 PM Response to Reply #231 |
252. THANK YOU |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
213. Thanks for the update! |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
216. MSNBC: Mathews with a panel of 3 just announced the exit polling didn't match, so who do I believe? |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:11 PM Response to Reply #216 |
222. oh REALLY? God, if there was some hanky panky, PLEASE let it come out now and not in the General !! |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
223. Chris Matthews keeps saying the exit polls were WAY off |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #223 |
234. He said the raw data showed Obama |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
235. kick |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
236. Remember, Skinner, fraud is ordinarily proved not by any "smoking |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #236 |
242. A very important point. When you have non-transparent vote counting conditions, |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #242 |
258. Thank you Peace Patriot |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #242 |
284. Not only should we have paper ballots counted by human beings . . . |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #242 |
310. That is an absolutely brilliant exposition of the truth of this matter, Peace Patriot. |
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SalmonChantedEvening (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
237. Great information. Always appreciated Skinner. |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
240. Skinner, are you comfortable with the Diebold electronic voting system? n/t |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:28 PM Response to Reply #240 |
274. Could stolen elections be a "tin foil hat" issue at DU --- ???? ??? ???? |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #240 |
331. The plot thickens ---- wow! |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
244. Hey you gave it a good try, hard to get mad about that. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
248. Could I mention that IF an election is stolen, then |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #248 |
275. Right . . . the GOP has most recently been STEALING Hispanic and African-American votes --- !!! |
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TriMetFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
251. Hey Skinner, Great job. |
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Tiberius (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #251 |
257. "Get over it"???? |
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TriMetFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #257 |
260. Yes get over it. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #257 |
276. Why in the hell should we do anything but NO "get over it" . . . ??? |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
259. Thank you.. perhaps that will calm this place down and focus on the primary SEASON. n/t |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
261. With due respect to Skinner and everyone here |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #261 |
263. It's unfortunate some see this incorrectly as sour grapes over a particular candidate losing -nt |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 09:57 PM Response to Reply #263 |
265. Yes. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #263 |
286. That, too, IMO, is another way to try to ignore the steals of the last decades --- !!! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:46 PM Response to Reply #286 |
287. I don't believe Americans this far into Iraq are voting for corporate candidates --- !!! |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #286 |
289. Waking up is so painful sometimes. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #261 |
278. Who would be dumb enough to trust this voting sytem? |
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ladywnch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
271. I remember hearing about "weighting" in polls during the last |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
273. WAIT --- !!! We're all pretty confident of steals in 2000, 2004 and 2006 . . . right? |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #273 |
277. All GENERAL ELECTIONS - stolen by GOP-ers - ON THEIR BEHALF. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #277 |
279. Is the corporate-media interested in a Repug win? |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:22 AM Response to Reply #279 |
294. Yes. The corporate media is interested in a GOP win. No doubt about that. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
282. It is asking too much to expect "evidence". The specter of a doubt should be enough |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #282 |
285. Correct --- and I think any attempt to "come to terms" with doubts suggests a |
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goforit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
288. I just couldn't believe the results when I got home from work. Rigged all the |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
290. The humans here who can admit their mistakes are the good ones. |
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dougolat (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
291. Live Free Or Diebold |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 12:55 AM Response to Original message |
292. So now you are saying the exit polls did NOT MATCH necessarily as they were adjusted. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:44 AM Response to Reply #292 |
305. Not what I read. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #305 |
319. In that case, this thread title should be changed. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:32 AM Response to Original message |
295. Exit polls are extremely reliable |
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balantz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:02 AM Response to Reply #295 |
300. Okay |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 07:53 AM Response to Reply #295 |
306. Did you sleep through 2004? |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #306 |
317. I SAID EXIT POLLS, I DID NOT SAY DOCTORED EXIT |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #306 |
318. And furthermore in a dishonest election Jimmying, doctoring |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:10 PM Response to Reply #318 |
325. Exit polls are bought and paid for by the media. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #325 |
333. That is as it is but if they are "unadjusted" when they are collected, they |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #333 |
335. only real proof? not in this case. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 12:21 AM Response to Reply #335 |
336. I make no judgment about the NH election. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:53 AM Response to Reply #295 |
309. "IMO Exit polls are near infallible" |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
308. If there was election fraud in the New Hampshire primary - |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #308 |
315. Bingo! A war on TWO massive fronts. What a gaping flaw in the system! |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #308 |
321. Bingo no. 2 Truer words were never spoken |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #308 |
323. If you actually did some research you would know better. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:11 AM Response to Reply #323 |
339. That's what I meant - you are talking to me . . . right? |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
316. I thought these threads were being moved |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #316 |
324. wow, STILL in GD! |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:10 PM Response to Reply #324 |
326. Skinner acts like he owns this place. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:19 PM Response to Reply #326 |
327. He's got an in with the mods. You can just tell. |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #326 |
330. !! DUZY !! |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
328. I believe the results, and I believe the exit polls give creedence |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 08:52 PM Response to Reply #328 |
329. The results not withstanding... |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
334. Bumpty bump bump for the 48 remaining states |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
337. Thanks for your update Skinner. I haven't the foggiest if the reported official |
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