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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 02:21 AM
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Why can't we afford proper care for our veterans?
Edited on Thu Feb-22-07 02:26 AM by walldude
There was an earlier thread that claimed if we wanted to get better care for our veterans we needed to pay more taxes. It was mentioned in the replies that "Americans get what they pay for" and that "money solves "management problems.". Well, I saw Iraq For Sale recently and this thread kinda pissed me off, so I thought a reminder of why our Vets aren't getting proper care was in order. From the Congressional Record:

...This morning, finally, the Washington Post says: ``The Army to End Expansive, Exclusive Halliburton Deal. Logistics Contract to be Open for Bidding.'' One of the side bars of the story talks about: ``Whistle-blowers told how the company charged $45 per case of soda, double-billed on meals, and allowed troops to bathe in contaminated water.'' All of these were issues given us to us by whistle-blowers who came to our Committee to testify because there was virtually no oversight on these issues by the other Committees.

...A fellow named Henry Bunting testified at a hearing we held. He was a whistle-blower. He actually worked for Halliburton in Kuwait. His job in Kuwait was to purchase hand towels for American soldiers. So he got a requisition to buy hand towels for American soldiers, and he would order the hand towels. But then he was told: No, we don't want you to order those hand towels; we want you to order new hand towels. He brought a sample of the hand towels with him. The reason they wanted him to order different hand towels is they wanted the company name to be embroidered on the hand towels, which tripled the cost of the towels for the taxpayers.

No one would have believed that soldiers need to have hand towels with the embroidered name of the contractor providing the hand towels. That is exactly what happened. And it is exactly what the whistle-blowers told us was happening with respect to procurement.

This whistle-blower, who worked with the company, said: This is something my supervisor said we are going to do, and we did it. He said: We saw $8,500-a-month SUV rentals. We saw $40, $45 a case for Coca-Cola

It is pretty unbelievable when you hear all of the stories. Those stories come from giving billions of dollars of contracts to one company. That is what has happened on contracts called LOGCAP and RIO, and finally the Pentagon suggests maybe it is going to shut these down and require competition.

....it is interesting that this also relates to something that is now happening in the Pentagon. The woman who testified before the committee--there has been a great deal of discussion about her--was Bunny Greenhouse, the top civilian contracting official in the Corps of Engineers at the Pentagon. She rose to the top. Every performance evaluation said she was the best. People outside the Government who had dealt with her said she was the best, professional, knew what she was doing. She said:

I can unequivocally state that the abuse related to contracts awarded to KBR--

That is Halliburton--

represents the most blatant and improper contract abuse I have witnessed during the course of my professional career.

This woman was honest and public about what she saw. She was demoted. She lost her job. That job has now been filled by someone else, someone who has 40 years experience with the Government but has no contracting experience. A person with 20 years contracting experience, the highest civilian official in the Corps of Engineers


loses her job to be replaced by someone who is now being sent to school because she doesn't know contracting.

This is happening at a time when we hear these stories of $85,000 trucks left by the side of the road to be burned because of a flat tire--the taxpayer is paying for it; it doesn't matter--25 tons of nails, 50,000 pounds of nails ordered, wrong size, throw them in the sand. Want to find 25 tons of nails? They are in the sand in Iraq, paid for by the American taxpayer.

Where is the accountability? It is unbelievable the amount of waste that has existed. And the one person who had the courage to talk about it publicly lost her job. That is still the subject of a great deal of angst in the Pentagon.

So yesterday the Pentagon announces that they are finally going to end sole-source contracts and require competitive bidding, and finally the taxpayers appear to get a break. But this was several overdue.

...Here is another whistleblower account. Rory Mayberry worked in Iraq for Halliburton. He worked in food service. He was the manager of a food service that provided food to the troops. He came to us and said: We had food that was date stamped expired. The Halliburton supervisors said: It doesn't matter, just feed to it the troops. And they said: By the way, don't you dare talk to a Government auditor. If a Government auditor comes around and you talk to that person, either you will be fired or you will be sent to an area where there is hostile action. He talked to a Government auditor. He was sent to Fallujah during the height of the action there.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?r109:S12JY6-0016:

Oh and BTW, the above mentioned bill to require competitive bidding was killed by the GOP:
http://www.democrats.com/node/9271

So please, keep telling me how I should keep giving these war junkies money to buy food and watch them use it instead to get their fix.

edited for brain fart
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 02:23 AM
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1. Thank you for such an excellent post
How do we get the word out to the freeper type?
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 02:27 AM
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2. Thanks, walldude.
Thanks for posting this, and for taking the time to do the research.

I, too, weighed in on the 'other thread' you've referenced. Americans have not gotten 'what they paid for', not by a longshot.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 04:22 AM
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5. I know, I saw the little "debate"
if you could call what he did debating. My wife was following the thread as well and she looked over at me and said "he did not just call NanceGreggs an imbecile". Hehe.. I walked away because the thread had already dropped to the second page and I didn't want to kick it, but it gnawed at me and was going to continue to gnaw at me till I did something about it.
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 02:54 AM
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3. Excellent post K&R
Maybe because they've finally cleaned out Ft Knox with their Middle East hobby and don't have enough to spare for what they obviously consider "little things" like the soldiers they claim to "support".

http://www.crunchweb.net/87billion/

Not to mention social security, health care, and a 21st century infrastructure
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 03:10 AM
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4. Our military is not perceived as being 'human'. To the war
mongers and profiteers, they are just equipment, property or whatever you'd like to call them. Something to used up and tossed away. IT IS BEYOND SICKENING.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 04:45 AM
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6. [ sarcasm ahead ]
Edited on Thu Feb-22-07 04:47 AM by radfringe
:sarcasm:
Proper care? Hey, they gotta get in line like the rest of us and wait for the trickle down from the 1-percenter tax cuts.

Whatsamadder with you? Don't you know there's a war on? These kind of questions send the wrong message and embolden our enemies....

/end :sarcasm:
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 05:00 AM
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7. Good story and I think this is what happened.
People like me wanted the draft gone and did not give it much thought of why our 'founders' never wanted a standing army. Once we sent the war machine out of the view of every day people then people who make money on death and war moved in with great speed and no one cared. And it pays for the same people to be always making wars. I am sorry, I did wish to stop the draft and it was for not thinking that I did it. We need a citizen army backed with a very small center of pros as we have always had.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 04:40 PM
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13. Eisenhower warned us about this.
He warned us about a military industrial complex. He was right.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 06:34 PM
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14. The people must control the army and not the President.
The House has the money power and should use it to cut down this war business once and for all. We should not be paying for over 700 bases world wide. It has all gone to far. The people must get a hold of this.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 06:46 AM
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8. pleased to kick this to the "Greatest" thread . . . n/t
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 07:13 AM
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9. It wasn't just disregard for the taxpayer $ - it was for bigger contracts.
At least initially (probably still) the contracts were Cost Plus Percentage of cost. So paying 3 x for handtowel with Haliburton embroidered on it meant the profit was larger for Halliburton. There was a financial incentive for Haliburton to purchase very excessively overpriced goods. I can't remember the % (3% or 6%) but imagine if they bought 1,000 cases of coke at $45 vs $12 at 3% profit for halliburton = $1,350 vs $360 - and that is on a small item at a small quantity. Haliburton = war profiteering at its worst.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 09:49 AM
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10. K&R. Thanks, walldude, for posting this. nt
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 09:55 AM
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11. We can't afford proper care for veterans
For the same reason we can't afford proper care for our citizens. And for the same reason we can't do anything about the crying humanitarian need in Darfur. And for the same reason we can't upgrade our schools, guarantee smaller class sizes and pay teachers more. And for the same reason we can't fix aging, crumbling bridges and highways.

We bought a war and gave tax cuts to all of Bush's overrich pals. And then we re-elected that administration, validating everything they'd done, in their own minds. Which opened the door to more abuse.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 03:02 PM
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12. Kick for the day crew
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 06:55 PM
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15. Oh, we CAN afford it. It's just that we PREFER to see our rich get richer.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 08:51 PM
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16. Another self indulgent kick...
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redwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 08:53 PM
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17. because we keep making more of them. n/t
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 08:54 PM
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18. It's all bullshit, stay mad at the Pentagon! They have hundreds of
billions of dollars and they can't keep the lawns mowed or help pay injured troops so they can get the best medical coverage available. Like worthless Congress-critters health care. Matter of fact, a real senator would give up their health-care coverage to a wounded soldier IMO. Especially the ones who said yea to the IWR.
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