Marion Jones gets 6 months in the can ..... the max .....

[Stinky The Clown]

I'm sorry, but this pisses me off.

She lied. She cheated.

But until the BIG NAME juicers go to jail, THIS PISSES ME OFF.

[HeraldSquare212]

1. That's harsh, I would have never expected it nt

[Tarc]

2. Well, she IS a big name

And I believe it was possible for her to get a year if the judge considered it as separate offenses.

[Stinky The Clown]

7. I dare say that if one were to poll for name recognition ......

.... Marion Jones will fall well behind Barry Bonds ..... and so many of the others named in the Mitchell Report ..... as but one example.

[Tarc]

24. "many" ? No.

Bonds sure. Clemens? A major baseball star but outside of Boston, NY, and Houston not really a household name. everyone else in the Mitchell Report after those two don't even register that high within baseball circles.

[blondeatlast]

27. Clemens isn't a household name? Yeesh--I don't even follow baseball though I'm

a certifiable sports fan and I knew who Clemens was years ago.

You may need hemorrhoid cream before this gets ove. :wow:

[LostinVA]

36. Of course Clemens is

I bet if you asked 10,000 baseball fans and 10,000 track fans who these two were, most of the track fans would know Clemens, and at least a majority wouldn't know Jones.

I don't follow baseball at all... zilch... but I know Clemens.

[nonconformist]

70. Roger Clemens is definitely a household name.

[Buzz Clik]

8. She's a big name in her sport.

She is not a big name on the American sports scene.

Those mentioned in the Mitchell report on baseball would be a nice next step. "Hello, Roger? As soon as you're done suing the whistleblowers, we'd like to have a chat..."

[blondeatlast]

18. No kidding. Multi-multi-millionaire athletes are free to play,

but a female track (admittedly) star does hard time?

Yeah--I wanto to see clemens testify. If he doesn't improve over his 60 Minutes bit it will be pretty amusing to watch. He couldn't lie his way off the mound. :rofl:

[Buzz Clik]

40. Yeah, I agree.

Clemens was pretty intimidating when he threw fastballs at your head, but his verbal skills are just so much bluster.

[blondeatlast]

10. Yeah, compared to Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens.

Righty-o.

[pauldp]

3. Marion Jones gets 6 months and Scooter got zip...nt

[TahitiNut]

12. It's governement's job to wage war on drugs and support COMMERCIAL SPORTS "integrity."

After all ... it's about taxpayer-funded stadia and the sports monopolies ... can't have that threatened.

Just ask Mitt. :eyes:

[Buzz Clik]

4. Son of a bitch!

That's friggin' ridiculous.

[Buzz Clik]

50. Apparently, some of our gutless, brainless lurking friends don't understand.

I'll explain. (It would be easier if you simply grew a pair and posted over here, or if you actually had spine enough to allow me to post over there. But we know it's far easier to piss and moan from a safe distance. Dickless!)

Jones has been part of the same Balco probe as Bonds for using steriods in the same time frame. Marion Jones was fingered by the same people who squealed on Bonds, and Jones came forward in the past year to admit her lies. She has been stripped of her livelihood and her championships. In the mean time, that most hideous creature, Bonds, has been protected by baseball and has lied at every opportunity for engaging in exactly the same activities as Jones -- except Bonds's indiscretions came to light much earlier. In the mean time, Bonds has been showered with huge contracts and credited with multiple records, all made possible by getting an extra boost from the same drugs used by Jones.

Bonds finished the season with an enormous contract. Jones is going to jail.

Get it now, dumb shit? Christ, I'm never amazed by the stupidity.

P.S. For your emotional little friend: Yes, we recognize that Jones sentence was associated with obstruction of justice due to lying to two federal grand juries. That included an incident with lying about a lack of knowledge of counterfeit checks deposited by the father of her oldest child.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=a9L_VYJn479M&refer=home

But that's the central theme of this thread now, isn't it -- a prison sentence for obstruction when certain people have done the same and walk free. Moron.

[Buzz Clik]

66. Come on, Friend. Come over here and debate.

It's clearly not an option for me -- I'm banned from your shitfest on sight.

The trouble with you pussies is that you're too fucking afraid to confront us head on. You hide behind some whimpering excuse about not being able to post here, but we all know that's pure bullshit because early all of you have a sock puppet here at DU. You brag about it there, and I've caught half a dozen of you dead to rights. Unlike you sniveling cowards, I don't go prancing off to the admins and get you banned.

And how could you possibly get banned in this thread? It's not even political. It's all a discussion of simple opinions.

So, what's it gonna be, Nancy? Are you going to continue to hide behind the gator's skirt (another fucking coward), or are you coming over? (This is a rhetorical question. Your website exists because you're chickenshitted, hypocrital underinformed idiots.)

[Dreamer Tatum]

67. OK, Pit Viper

You win.

Here's your argument (I suppose): You are angry that Marion Jones is going to the joint because Barry Bonds isn't there yet?
The guy is under indictment and the evidence against him is overwhelming. His legacy will be worse than hers by a long, long,
longshot - even if he's acquitted.

As for the other baseball players, don't they need to be accused of a crime by, oh, a grand jury before you toss them all in the slammer
to assuage your fury over Marion Jones?

I don't think she should be in prison, either - but that hasn't squat to do with Bonds or anyone else.

[Buzz Clik]

71. Amazing.

Let's address ALL the issues.

1. Cut the Pit Viper bullshit. It doesn't work here.
   
   
2. Explain why.... Or was that just a +1 on your part?
   
   I'm assuming you'll take the time to read my entries on this thread. The explanations are all there, but I'll make 100% certain you don't miss any of it.
   
   
   
3. Here's your argument (I suppose): You are angry that Marion Jones is going to the joint because Barry Bonds isn't there yet? The guy is under indictment and the evidence against him is overwhelming. His legacy will be worse than hers by a long, long, longshot - even if he's acquitted.
   
   Bonds is a perfect example, but he is most certainly not the only one. We have McGwire, Clemens and a host of others who are clearly just as guilty and likely to skate while Jones is on her way to prison. But that's not my whole opinion on the subject -- here's your next point:
   
   
4. Barry Bonds is under indictment. His day in court is coming. Evidently, you are incensed by the mere fact that Marion Jones' punishment for her admitted crimes came first. I am very sorry that the case against Barry Bonds has not (a) progressed as quickly as you would like, and (b) resulted in the guilty verdict that you seem to think is a fait acompli. The evidence against Bonds seems overwhelming, however, so I believe his day of reckoning is coming. We are aware that it is simply not soon enough for you.
   
   Bonds may get some sort of contempt or perjury conviction, but nothing more. My problem is with his god-like treatment by his sport. It pisses me off endlessly. But not just Bonds -- all of the users. Remember when everyone was trying to figure out how the hell the HR totals in the majors were going through the roof? They blamed the balls and bats and crappy pitching. Well, golly. Look again, baseball. As if you didn't know.
   
   And when Ben Johnson was busted for steroids in the Olympics, Frank Shorter (marathoner) assured the American people that it was not an isolated case but an epidemic. Flo-Jo comes to mind -- arrived out of nowhere, broke the hell out of records, disappeared, died young. Lyle Alzado. Probably most of football. And what punishment awaits those who use? Well, in track and field, they're banned. In American pro sports, not a damned thing, unless you're a nobody, and then you get to be an example. But nobody cares.
   
   
   
5. I used to get a small glimmer of hope from your posts that you were not a complete idiot. Once in a while you would thrust and parry here like a real swordsman, and despite your remarkable record of being wrong, I had a glimmer of respect for you. Now, however, you have proven yourself to be an IGNORANUS. This is a portmanteau of the words ignorant, which you most certainly are, and anus, which you always were. One day, a machine may be invented that is sensitive enough to detect molecules of intelligence among the mound of densely packed feces between your ears, but for now you're just stupid and beyond help.
   
   Yeah, well, heroes come and go.

But you wanted to know the source of my ire? Here's the bulleted form:

• Users ruin the game. All of them. I dislike them all. Jimmy from Southpark said it best -- something about lying, cheating, pussies.
  
• All sports should have systematic (or random) testing for ALL athletes, including the elites. Tour de France and the IOC have it right -- test the hell out of them, catch them, and throw them out forever.
  
• American pro sports are bullshit because of the doubt from the continued used of performance enhancing drugs. Why were Bonds (and all other players) tests never made public? Why did baseball wait nearly a decade to start testing when the problem was crystal clear (or the cream ;))?
  
• Marion Jones screwed up royally and is paying a big price. She was rightfully stripped her of her medals, and they took away her livelihood. Her bad choices. That's the price.
  
• Now, get the rest. Every damned one of them, and quit letting massive dollars and huge notoriety get in the way.
  

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EDIT: Check your PM.

[Dreamer Tatum]

78. You know, Buzz, we agree all over the place.

Let's address ALL the issues.



Cut the Pit Viper bullshit. It doesn't work here.


But you are Pit Viper. It's a fact. Facts work everywhere.




>Bonds is a perfect example, but he is most certainly not the only one. We have McGwire, Clemens and a host of others who are clearly just as guilty and >likely to skate while Jones is on her way to prison. But that's not my whole opinion on the subject -- here's your next point:

Whoa, now. Bonds is under indictment and is having his level of guilt assessed. I appreciate that you believe McGwire and Clemens to be
guilty (psst - so do I), but our belief isn't enough to put them in jail. I'm content to have their legacies ruined until there's evidence
of criminal wrongdoing. Clemens is in huge trouble - really big. We could be watching his career marked by an enormous asterisk. Ask him which he would prefer - six months in prison, or a stained legacy. If he juiced, I hope he gets both, provided he did something demonstrably illegal.




Bonds may get some sort of contempt or perjury conviction, but nothing more. My problem is with his god-like treatment by his sport. It pisses me off endlessly. But not just Bonds -- all of the users. Remember when everyone was trying to figure out how the hell the HR totals in the majors were going through the roof? They blamed the balls and bats and crappy pitching. Well, golly. Look again, baseball. As if you didn't know.


Bonds is not treated like a God. He's a pariah. I am less sure than you that he'll just get a slap on the wrist. I hope he gets considerably
more, and I hope any other proven users are similarly disgraced. The irony of the matter is that Bonds would have been regarded as a top 10 all-time
player without the juice.


And when Ben Johnson was busted for steroids in the Olympics, Frank Shorter (marathoner) assured the American people that it was not an isolated case but an epidemic. Flo-Jo comes to mind -- arrived out of nowhere, broke the hell out of records, disappeared, died young. Lyle Alzado. Probably most of football. And what punishment awaits those who use? Well, in track and field, they're banned. In American pro sports, not a damned thing, unless you're a nobody, and then you get to be an example. But nobody cares.



That has more to do with the governing body than the people who pay to watch the sport. The difference may rest in the fact that pro sports are based on franchises, whereas track and field is more or less an international, individual sport. There is no per se union in track and field, which eases the regulation of the sport. It also creates incentives for athletes to cheat. I would be willing to bet that pro golf is RIDDLED with druggies.


But you wanted to know the source of my ire? Here's the bulleted form:

Users ruin the game. All of them. I dislike them all. Jimmy from Southpark said it best -- something about lying, cheating, pussies.


I completely agree.



All sports should have systematic (or random) testing for ALL athletes, including the elites. Tour de France and the IOC have it right -- test the hell out of them, catch them, and throw them out forever.


I totally concur.



American pro sports are bullshit because of the doubt from the continued used of performance enhancing drugs. Why were Bonds (and all other players) tests never made public? Why did baseball wait nearly a decade to start testing when the problem was crystal clear (or the cream )?


The simple answer is that it's no one's damned business. Your kidney biopsy results are protected by HIPAA - why are pro athletes not afforded that same privacy? They are privately employed; they have rights. Baseball did nothing because it put butts in the seats and eyes on the screen - they know where the butter side of the bread is. If you want to blame someone in charge, someone complicit, try Bud Selig.


Marion Jones screwed up royally and is paying a big price. She was rightfully stripped her of her medals, and they took away her livelihood. Her bad choices. That's the price.


I agree. Prison for her is overkill, however.


Now, get the rest. Every damned one of them, and quit letting massive dollars and huge notoriety get in the way.


To the degree that my baseball idol is Hank Aaron, who bravely refused to honor Bonds, I agree in principle.






(See, DU? We can actually AGREE on things when we drop the RETHUGLIKKKAN and DUMBOCRAP and all that...)

[Buzz Clik]

80. Excellent. Well stated.

Just one more item: I don't want Bonds in jail. I want him out of baseball. I don't want asterisks next to his records -- I want him to have no records. You'll note that Marion Jones will be flushed from the Olympic Record books.

Now, as an in kind response to your call out to DU: given space to breathe, posters with completely polar politics can have a reasonable discussion.

I believe I said that a few months ago on a board far, far away.

EDIT: By the way -- tip o'the hat to you and an apology for my over the top prodding to get you over here. I'm not sure how long of a stay you'll be having, but I appreciate the effort.

[tabasco]

75. Well, as long as we have a freeper here:

Join the Army you coward fuck and get in your fuhrer's war for freedom. I served ten years in the infantry so fuckheads like you can call me a commie. Love the Karl Marx pic, dipshit.

www.goarmy.com

[Dreamer Tatum]

76. Nice!

Heh. Rarely do all stereotypes show up at once. You go straight to the large stuffed animal - please take your pick.

[blondeatlast]

5. THIS PISSES ME OFF, too, for what you said.

Utterly ridiculous. :mad:

[still_one]

6. Come on friend, this is as bad as outing a CIA agent, comitting perjury on it

and then getting your sentence commuted

Just wait, that is what will happen here also

Are you holding your breath?






DON'T

[Buzz Clik]

9. No one is comparing sports to politics.

That doesn't mean it isn't important to a lot of people.

[still_one]

21. I was being scarcastic, implying that she was getting harsher treatment than scooter ,

rove, or the whole damn bush administration

Similar to Martha Stewart for insider trading, neither one comitted treason, and yet they are getting harsher treatment

[Buzz Clik]

Ok. My bad.

Sometimes, these sports threads turn bloody in a hurry. Sorry for misinterpreting your intentions.

And I agree -- Libby and his bosses should be in jail.

[still_one]

65. Nope, I should have clarified that it was scarcasm /nt

[tularetom]

11. Track athletes have been involved up to their ears

and Marion Jones has been the only one to actually go to jail. Admittedly there are charges other than doping (like perjury about a check fraud scheme) but her actual use of drugs was no greater than many other name athletes. Some have been stripped of their medals and/or records. Few or none have served time.

She should not be singled out.

[Poiuyt]

23. It's more than just track athletes who have been deeply involved

But track & field has been more diligent about enforcing the drug rules than MLB, NFL or any other sport. When someone is caught, it's not just a slap on the wrist either.

[tularetom]

31. Very true but track & field at least in the US was for many years

one of the few "clean" sports where gambling, doping, and bad behavior were unheard of. That all changed with the influx of cash into the sport. Now there is no semblance of competition for competition's sake at the highest levels of the sport anywhere in the world.

I competed in track throughout high school and college. Both my kids were runners. One attended college on a partial track scholarship. My granddaughter competed in high school. I still make it a point to go to a couple of high school meets a year. I enjoy watching kids compete for the love of the sport. But I rarely watch a "world class" meet on TV.

I'm glad that USATF and world bodies have taken a no nonsense approach to doping. I wish they'd get the prize money out of track as well.

[Debi]

13. She deserved it - for nothing more

than for the people she cheated. Who knows what the true gold medal winners would have done with their vicotry? What kind of role models could they have been? What kind of careers could they have had. Nobody can go back and give them what she took from them.

[blondeatlast]

16. Before Barry Bonds?

That's where the outrage comes from--so much of it, so many obviously guilty, in all the huge, billion dollar sports--and a female track athlete is the one who does time?

Spare me that sort of righteous indignation.

[Tarc]

20. "before" is a silly argument

I sure as hell hope that Bonds gets jail time as well, but that fact his case is still in progress while Jones' wrapped up is ridiculously irrelevant. Each case stands on its own merits.

[blondeatlast]

26. Let me explain why they are vastly diferent. First off, Bonds is protected by the MLBPA

who steadfastly refuses to give an inch to support the integrity of the game. They are extremely powerful and of course represent a billion dollar sport. Note my avatar--I am a vocal advocate for labor unions.

To my knowledge, track athletes have no union and they sure as hell rarely make even the minimum MLBPA salary. Jones is a star with some hefty endorsements, but she can't line up the kind of lawyers Bonds can.

She's also female. She's been singled out as an example--yet every one of us knows that Bonds and Clemens, etc. are guilty as hell.

Before wasn't referring to time, btw, just GUILT.

[Debi]

29. Barry Bonds trial isn't over.

So how could he be sentenced yet?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

14. Right now there are more deserving people to be serving time IMHO

Not that I really lose any sleep for Marion Jones getting sentenced to jail time, but if I had my druthers, I'd rather see any complicit member of the Bush administration occupying that cell instead.

[malaise]

15. Ditto

Meanwhile Bush and Cheney walk free.

[stillcool]

17. Damn!!

nothing like a little disparity in the 'Justice' system.

[mmonk]

19. Where's the line of baseball players?

[blondeatlast]

22. Lined up neatly behind the player's union. The MLBPA is an embarrassment

on this issue.

Jones was singled out--second-tier sport, female, wealthy but not ungodly so.

It's disgusting that Bonds is free and Jones does hard time.

[mmonk]

25. You're correct.

And my question was rhetorical.

[blondeatlast]

28. Oh, I know that. Wasn't trying to be snarky.

My bad. :hi:

[mmonk]

64. Oh I knew that.

:thumbsup:

[Captain Hilts]

30. I think it's the ties to the check fraud scheme that are putting her in the crowbar hotel. nt

[Dreamer Tatum]

32. Um...

She was convicted of a crime. All the "big name" juicers have yet to have their day in court, and in fact many have not been formally indicted.

[MadHound]

33. Ummm, I would say a well know track superstar IS a big name.

Marion Jones is one of the biggest names in Olympic sports:shrug:

But don't worry, Barry Bond's turn is coming up.

[JBoy]

45. Agreed - Marion Jones is probably better known world-wide than Bonds.

And this sentence will put the heat on for Bonds, Clemens and the rest. Message is "don't friggin' lie to us during the investigations". I'll be interested to see if Clemens changes his tune.

[LostinVA]

34. I think she should be in there

However, as I said in LBN, I agree with you: the big name/big money sports Roiders need to hit with much worse punishment.

And, as I also said there, I honestly think she is really contrite,m and not just ebcause she was caught.

[SoCalDem]

35. she probably wishes she had Scooter Libby's lawyer.

jail time is a bit much for her.. she traded on her "good name" and that's gone now..public humiliation was punishment enough.. what good will 6 months of jail add to her regret?

our justice system is just plain weird

[underpants]

37. I'm sur eit will be commuted I mean it's not like it is a REAL CRIME or anything n/t

[SoCalDem]

42. our justice system will lock you up if it's about money or drugs..

if you out a spy..not so much

if you start a war..not so much

[madinmaryland]

38. Marion Jones gets six month, and how much time has Raphael Palmiero

gotten for LYING TO CONGRESS (waving his finger at them also)?

:grr:

[depakid]

74. Congress is full of cowards who nearly beg to be be abused

when they hold hearings.

Judges tend to be a different stripe of cat.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

39. you think people should be in jail for longer than 6 months for a non violent offense

that did not hurt anyone else either? why?

[Stinky The Clown]

41. What?

This is a joke post, right?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

43. not really. its not like she robbed people of their retirement fund. as far as i remember

this was an obstruction of justice issue related to steriods, right?

[blondeatlast]

44. I think he's pissed because she got jail time and the likes of Bonds and Clemens are able to plead

their sorry defenses to the rest of us in the comfort of their 10 million dollar mansions. That's how I read it anyway and that's why I'm POed...

:shrug:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

48. i thought he meant that this 6 months sentence for her was too little

[Stinky The Clown]

51. Uh ...... no

That's the exact ***opposite*** of what I meant.

In the line to get into jail, there are MANY others who should be ahead of her.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

52. yeah i get that now. not very bright of me. i pm'd you an apology about it

:P

[Stinky The Clown]

63. You did, and it was very gracious of you.

Thanks!

I am far too often guilty of the very same offense.

We're all good now, though! :hi:

[Buzz Clik]

55. That's not how I read it. And it certainly isn't my reaction (which is identical to yours)

[Poiuyt]

49. There was also a check fraud scheme

[SoCalDem]

47. Her real crime was LYING through her teeth and disillusioning all

the youngsters who looked up to her.

The really sad part is that in order for her to make money from her chosen sport, she felt compelled to cheat..and when cheaters are outed, they are D O N E.. no more endorsements,no more tv shows to appear on..no book deals.

young athletes are taken under the wings of eager (and often corrupt) trainers/coaches, who put so much pressure on them to excel...many of them get sucked in to the notion that they must do EVERYTHING ..to be the best..

Endorsement deals go to the ones who are at the top...

and once they cheat one time, it's easier and almost necessary (to them) to keep on cheating.. :(

[IndianaJones]

46. black people getting outrageous sentences for crimes white people would walk for? wow. nt.

[Buzz Clik]

53. IndianaJones, you and I have clashed over this issue ...

We seem to be exactly on the same page here. However, I still don't see it as a racial issue; I'll change my mind completely if Bonds gets convicted and Clemens walks.

Time will tell.

[IndianaJones]

54. my prediction is that Clemens will never even get charged with anything. nt.

[Buzz Clik]

57. We'll see. He's about to be deposed prior to his Congressional testimony.

They are setting the stage for his hanging.

[Stinky The Clown]

56. I'm gonna go way out on a limb here .......

...... I don't think race is an issue in any part of this case.

But I'm an old white guy and could be wrong.

[IndianaJones]

60. I see a lot of high profile white athletes with allegations of steroids hanging over them.

They never seem to get investigated or charged though. We'll see what the future holds.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

59. this i completely agree with. MANY statistics have shown that for the exact same crime

blacks get incarcerated and whites dont.

[IndianaJones]

61. and receive comparatively harsher sentences for the same crimes. nt.

[Buzz Clik]

62. I'm thinking, though, in the case of very high profile athletes ...

It's a matter of money rather than race. Seeing how Bonds and Clemens are resolved will tell us much.

[bdamomma]

58. this makes no sense, we have criminals in the WH and Marion

Jones gets 6 months? just sick.

[Sanctified]

68. Sending people to prison for drug abuse is totally fucked up.

Plus I am sure it's not like the Judge, Jury and Prosecution team had never abused drugs before.

[Buzz Clik]

73. True. The IOC took care of the "sports crime". But, she's not really going to jail for drug use.

It was her obstruction of the investigation that did her in.

[laureloak]

69. Don't forget that there were other charges against her. n/t

[Buzz Clik]

72. In reality, those other charges are why she's going to jail.

[jakefrep]

77. Merely doing steroids is a jailable offense?

I'm sure the alleged big-name juicers will get tossed in the slammer if they get caught lying to the feds.

[Horse with no Name]

79. It pissed me off too

Scooter Libby committed treason and was given a free pass.
She cheated someone out of a medal.
There is something wrong with this country.

Also of note: Why are we only sending Black athletes to jail?

[fujiyama]

81. Shows where our priorities are in this country

Worthless fuckin government is willing to give telecoms that spied on Americans immunity...The likes of Libby that commit treasonous acts walk free...

And some athlete gets 6 months lying about steroids...Maybe it's just me, but I don't give a shit. Put a fuckin * by their names and strip them of titles, medals, etc...

But 6 months Jail time?