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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 03:48 PM
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Real religious persecution in the US, but will the Right rally ‘round a WICCAN?
Edited on Thu Feb-22-07 03:50 PM by ck4829
The case of Lt. Gordon James Klingenschmitt has been a right-wing cause célèbre for well over a year now and looks as if it will continue to be one for the foreseeable future. Yet while the Klingenschmitt saga drags on over his willful violation of orders, it is probably safe to assume that the Right will not be rallying around Don Larsen, a Pentecostal military Chaplain who lost his job because he switched religions:

Larsen's private crisis of faith might have remained just that, but for one other fateful choice. He decided the religion that best matched his universalist vision was Wicca, a blend of witchcraft, feminism and nature worship that has ancient pagan roots. On July 6, he applied to become the first Wiccan chaplain in the U.S. armed forces, setting off an extraordinary chain of events. By year's end, his superiors not only denied his request but also withdrew him from Iraq and removed him from the chaplain corps, despite an unblemished service record.

Because Larsen is not Christian, it is unlikely that the Family Research Council will be defending Larsen’s “freedom of religious expression,” or that Vision America will praise “this bold man is standing up for his right to pray in his own faith tradition” and call on Senators to “stand with him publicly,” or that Alan Keyes will be calling on his supporters to send petitions to the Department of Defense demanding Larsen’s reinstatement, saying “Respect for our Constitution, simple justice and faithful obedience to religious conscience demands no less!”

And Larsen probably won’t be invited to be a featured speaker at the Right’s next victimization rally and thus will never get the opportunity to publicly liken himself to Abdul Rahman, the Afghani man who faced a potential death sentence for converting.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/2007/02/will_the_right.html
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 03:49 PM
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1. Freedom of religion for fundamentalist Christians IS persecuting Wiccans
What part of the Middle Ages don't you understand?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 03:50 PM
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2. See related thread: Unholy Orders: The Army Maneuvers Its Way Around Religious Liberty
Unholy Orders: The Army Maneuvers Its Way Around Religious Liberty
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=226x5349
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 03:53 PM
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3. klingenschmidt is a worthless punk
He apparently slept through military chaplain training because he wasn't doing his job as such. The military does not need those recruiting for one religion or another as the dumbass was doing. He failed as an officer and a chaplain. There is a move by christians to force themselves on the military ever so subtly. Hell, it was worse in the Air Force. There is no persecution of christians in this country but scum like perkins (a political bed partner of KKK Wizard david duke) has to keep the ignorant masses stirred up to keep that tinkling action going in the collection plates. Praise the Lord. These motherfucking whiners in this country would shit their pants if they ever had to face real persecution.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 03:57 PM
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4. The religious right has NEVER supported religious freedom. They have always supported the idea of
establishing their religion as the official state religion and excluding all others.

It's been that way in America since 1620.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 04:02 PM
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7. To be fair to my great (x11) grandmother, Mary Chilton
The pilgrims were not trying to force their religions on anyone; they were running from exactly that. Everyone was into that separation of church and state deal back then. And despite all the recent Fundy uproar, this country was NOT founded on Christianity.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 04:07 PM
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8. The pilgrims fled religious persecution and immediately set up a theocracy. Rhode Island
was founded as a safe haven from people fleeing the religious persecution in Massachusetts.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 03:58 PM
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5. If it ain't Christian (the RIGHT kind of Christian), it ain't religion
Therefore, persecuting Wiccans because they are Wiccans is not religious persecution. Just ask any of the Talibangelicals. :eyes:
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-22-07 04:01 PM
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6. They want a puppet who'd be easy to control, like Bush.
Even someone who's a WICCAN wouldn't be as responsive to their demands (such as that lucrative justice they need to overturn Roe V. Wade and officially turn us into a religious theocracy).
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