Does anyone here think that Hillary never did drugs?

[panader0]

The comments by Bob Johnson dig into Obama for self admitted drug use in his youth. One of the dumbest remarks ever made by Bill Clinton (besides "depends on what the definition of "is" is"} was when he said he didn't inhale. Did anyone believe that? Where was Hillary when Bill wasn't inhaling? Obama was straightforward about his past and because of that I find him much more credible.

[Lucinda]

1. I could care less if she smoked pot.

With other drugs, it would depend on the circumstances.

[panader0]

16. Me too, but if she did it too, why the hypocrisy?

[Lucinda]

27. She's not on public record about it. If someone want's to know, they should ask.

She should answer.

[B Calm]

87. My employer requires me to random drug screens, I think all public

employees from the president on down should be subjected to drug screening too. Either that, or make it against the damn law to random drug screen anyone for employment!

[Lucinda]

91. That makes sense. :)

[Iggo]

52. Um, WHERE'S the hypocricy?

You show me where, and then I might try to guess why.

(To me, it seems obvious that Bill and Hillary smoked pot back in the day. But, so what?)

[Captain Hilts]

98. It's not obvious. She was a worker bee and he had/has serious allergies that...

make him a mouth breather a good amount of the time.

Here in DC you could always tell that he was suffering with the rest of us just by looking at him.

[Leopolds Ghost]

68. People will have hard questions for any Woman President. Did she do drugs? Did she deal drugs?

I mean, that's the stereotype, right? How is she going to counter it?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[Captain Hilts]

99. She'll probably be asked if she's had an abortion. nt

[jasmine621]

101. Go to Denmark...you can buy it legally. It's not something that will send

you to hell like the "Christians" want you to believe. Since they don't ban alcohol or oxy--what's the beef? I watched the docu on cocaine and other drug use in this country. It was really bizzare. The anti folks definitely used the "race" card to get the laws passed. They had a tough time getting laws passed to make it illegal because so many people were using the stuff. They had to start the rumor that cocaine was making black men go crazy and raping white women and fighting and killing white men. That's how they finally got the laws passed to make it illegal. I kid you not. I watched this docu on PBS about a month ago. I was amazed. People really are brainless.

[Hutzpa]

103. You sure

you're not hallucinating, sure does sounded like it.

[dmallind]

2. Who knows?? Possibly. I never did, even though wife did.

I have no great beef with those who do - just never appealed to me.

Has she ever been asked? What did she say that can even be judged on credibility?

[Botany]

3. Getting High w/ Hillary? What a bad trip!

[Stephanie]

4. Has she ever been directly asked that question?

I'd be curious to know.

[julialnyc]

7. I'm sure she'll say no

Otherwise it would not be wise to criticize someone else over the same thing (I'm sure she guesses it will be asked back to her)

[DS1]

5. Didn't everyone smoke dope back then?

I'll bet Rove even sold it

[NNN0LHI]

11. "Back then" the stuff wasn't worth smoking

Seriously. It was nothing but garbage. Most of it was catnip I think.

Don

[Atman]

22. You lived in the wrong place, man!

"Back then" I lived on the beach in Florida and it used to wash ashore in giant bales. Why do you think surfers went on "dawn patrol?" You'd have to grab the bales before the sun came up and the old farts in their condos called the fuzz. We called it "seaweed," and while it often tasted a bit briny, for $0 and ounce it was awesome. If you wanted da kine, you might have had to pay close $50 bucks, and that stuff was loco!

.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

42. Nope

Never had smoked pot or used any illegal drug. But I have been consistently in favor of legalization of marijuana since I was 16 (1967).

[TahitiNut]

57. Huh? The stuff in Nam was primo.

Back stateside, between 'gold' and hash, times were high, indeed. (And no paraquat.)

[NNN0LHI]

61. I had a very sheltered childhood

Don't think I would have been down with the Nam deal. I was gathering my warm weather clothes for an extended vacation in Canada until the draft was ended in 1973.

Don

[B Calm]

88. Acapulco Gold, Columbia, Tai Sticks

[zanne]

15. Many of us smoked dope and it was no big deal.

I inspired the ire of another poster while discussing this, but back in the day,many of us thought that smoking pot wasn't considered as bad as drinking alcohol. (I still don't think it's as bad). Regardless, I could care less about who smoked pot in their youth. So what?

[DS1]

21. that's kinda my point

so what? It was just the thing to do, from what I understand. Catnip or not.

[pnwmom]

24. No. We didn't. n/t

[Captain Hilts]

No. "Everybody" didn't do it. Women's usage rates were lower than those of men...

plus the stuff was expensive!

[pnwmom]

93. And valedictorians at women's colleges aiming for Harvard/Yale Law Schools

were even less likely.

Noses to the grindstone, not to the bong.

[sallyseven]

39. No not everyone. I didn't.

[Raine]

96. No they didn't

I didn't. I tried it but that was much much later way after the period where "everyone" supposedly did it.

[Lint Head]

6. My opinion, I think she smoked a lot of pot in the sixties.

And that's OK with me. :dem:

[YOY]

8. I really coudln't give less of a sh*t

n/t

[La Lioness Priyanka]

9. i know plenty of people who havent done drugs and whose partners have

either way i dont care, but its quite possibly that she hasnt.

bill and hrc are not the same person. i think she is far more straight laced than he is.

[sentelle]

10. personally,

I think she is smoking Crack now, with her unpopular positions, especially where it contradicts her votes.

[Atman]

12. Bill didn't inhale 'cuz he was giving Hillary a shotgun!

I've seen the pics of them in their hippie days. Those two SOOOO totally did drugs it's not even funny! Nobody straight wore clothing from the Haight-Ashbury collection.

.

[DeepBlueC]

30. ummm...yes they did. me for one

[Atman]

33. A hippie wannabee?

Wow man. Like, totally uncool. But your friends could probably tell cuz you wore black socks and penny loafers along with your Nehru jacket.

:hi:

.

[DeepBlueC]

114. style is style, honey

everybody had a little hippie to them then. I liked batik prints. Skirts.

[eleny]

32. Oh Snaps!

Every time I see this pic of them.

[Atman]

38. No one is going to tell me those two didn't just come from a bong-a-thon.

Or were on their way to one.

If not, then they were total narcs.

.

[eleny]

50. She's shitfaced

[Hekate]

108. Nearly every college kid looked like that--by no means did "all of them" smoke dope.

I sure didn't.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

43. You didn't see me

I wore the paisley, tie-dyed, love bead stuff and never did any kind of drugs. Hmm...I still wear clothing from the Haight-Ashbury collection, come to think of it.....

PS-I support Dennis Kucinich, not the Clintons.

[Atman]

46. I think DK is probably still bonin' up.

;)

(I like DK, too, btw. But I'm a realist.)

.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

92. Maybe, but knowing his background

he probably gets high the same way I always have,through spiritual practices.

[Botany]

snort!

Bill didn't inhale 'cuz he was giving Hillary a shotgun! :spank:

[Blarch]

13. Hillary do drugs ?

Banish the thought.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. Well, as a teenager she was a Nixon supporter.

So no, I don't think she did drugs. She'd have been better off if she had though.

[Atman]

25. Nixon...now there's a dude who seriously needed to do some bong hits.

Waaay too uptight.

.

[onenote]

65. got a link for that? Cause I think you're flat out wrong.

When Nixon ran in 1960, clinton was 12 years old. I haven't seen anything to indicate what she thought, if anything, about that race and I don't think a lot of 12 year olds were smoking pot in 1960 even if they supported JFK.

So presumably you're talking about the 1968 contest between Nixon and Humphrey and/or the 1972 election between Nixon and McGovern. She was a "Goldwater girl" in 1964, when she was 16 (going on 17, and again, probably wouldn't have been a dope smoker back then either, no matter who she supported. By the time she got to college (which is when she most likely would've smoked dope back then, she had changed her views and, I'm fairly certain, supported the Democratic candidates.

Back to you.

[paulk]

72. that's not true

In fact, the main reason she left the Republican Party was because of Nixon's attacks on moderate Republicans during the 1968 Presidential primary. Though it's hard to say if she was even a Repulbican at that time, since she openly supported Eugene McCarthy in his run for the Democratic nomination.

[ieoeja]

78. She worked on Nelson Rockefeller's campaign in '68.

Went to the RNC national convention. Hated the way Nixon treated Rockefeller and ended up voting for the Democrat in the general.

[Why Syzygy]

17. I don't think she did.

Not EVERYONE in that generation took a toke.

[Olney Blue]

18. We have a former cocaine user and alcoholic in the WH now.

I think past drug use is a non-issue for most Americans.

[sandyj999]

19. I Have No Problem With It Unless She's Still Doing It. n/t

[Benhurst]

20. Many more smoked pot than did cocaine.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

49. Well now, don't forget the pill poppers

I knew tidy ladies who wouldn't mess with a smelly smokey joint, but loved those little white crosses cuz they could run around like crazy and never feel hungry. Wheeeee!

'Course, Hillary's a bit older than me, maybe she did bennies or dexies. Crosses didn't really take off till the 70s. Can't see her doing downers or acid. But quaaludes...I can see her kicking back with a 'lude.

Mmm yes, those were the days. Better living through chemistry.

[pnwmom]

23. People's answers will likely reflect their own use/non-use of drugs.

I've never done any recreational drugs, before, during, or after college, so I can easily imagine that a woman like HRC might not have.

But with regard to Hillary, many of her letters written in college to a friend were published without her permission, and none of them mentioned partying.

[rucky]

26. I haven't given it a second of thought.

It's already hypocritical to bring up anything anybody's done as a teenager. I don't think I'd trust anyone who says they hadn't done anything bad in their youth.

[countryjake]

28. Seriously? She was the president of the Young Republicans at Wellesley...

I'd sooner think she was a narc on her fellow students.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

53. College girls of all persuasions took "diet pills"

aka speed.

[Atman]

58. Rolling Stones, "Mother's Little Helper."

It wasn't about the housekeeper, you know!

.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

59. "Valley of the Dolls"

It wasn't about Barbie! :rofl:

[Atman]

62. "Valley of the Ultra Vixens" wasn't about, uh...

Hmm...never mind.

.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

64. Lol!

When Russ Meyer makes a movie, there's no doubt what it's about.

"Beyond the Valley of the Dolls" is one of my favorites. We watch it whenever it comes on TV.

"This is my happening and it freaks me out!"

[countryjake]

60. Women took "nerve pills" by the handful, too.

But nobody ever considered that "doing drugs", per se.

[ieoeja]

81. In the early '80s at college...

... half the people I knew would sit around popping pain killers while talking about the evils of illegal drugs. The medical center was easily the biggest drug dealer on campus.

[countryjake]

89. In the early '70s, the plant I worked...

we weren't allowed to talk about anything while we were on the clock, but my lead lady would pass out her tiny little pills to anyone who looked like they were getting behind or "too nervous" as she liked to say. I found out that my boyfriend had died while I was on the job, and along with that devastating message, she brought me half a one, "to get me thru the day", she said. I almost fell asleep on the floor, right in front of my machines.

[peace13]

29. Don't know , don't care

but she should not talk about others use unless she is prepared to lay hers on the table.

[Captain Hilts]

31. Who knows? Probably not. At that time, drug use by women was much lower...

than that of men.

[Leopolds Ghost]

70. Sounds like women did more pills than men, men did more pot

[pnwmom]

94. She didn't get to be valedictorian at Wellesley by being a pothead

and Wellesley has never been a party school.

[class2068]

34. No.

[shain from kane]

35. What next? Did she ever wear "days of week" panties? Remember when some

numbskull asked Bill Clinton, "Boxers or briefs?", and he thought that he needed to give an answer.

[Atman]

40. Yes, but they all said Super Tuesday on them.

:hi:

.

[Leopolds Ghost]

71. Proof of her overweening ambition, even as a young student, to be President.

[H2O Man]

36. I do not think

it is an issue.

[LanternWaste]

37. Does it affect foreign or national policy?

Does anyone (besides you, of course) give a rat's ass?

Is it relevant? Does it affect foreign or national policy? Does it get our boys out of Iraq one second faster? Does it reduce our dependency on oil at all? Does it help or hinder the environment? Does it? Does it help our judicial system in becoming more equitable?

If the answer to all of the above is a resounding 'No' (which intellectual honesty demands the answer to be), then the best you have is that you're simply reducing even further the national discourse on politics.

[supernova]

41. It's possible she didn't

She was a Goldwater good girl, after all.

FWIW, I didn't either. Don't have anything against it; it just never appealed to me. And I had opportunities.

[Atman]

44. Hmmm...so, she pretended to be something she wasn't?

Imagine that!

.

[supernova]

54. I don't think she's ever said

one way or the other. I don't recall anyone asking her (in a public forum, anyway.)

Anyway, her answer to this question is neither an incentive nor disincentive to me. It's simply not that important to me as policy considerations.

[Atman]

56. Well, yes, I agree with you 100% on that one.

It simply isn't germane to her, or anyone's, ability to lead the country.

.

[proud2BlibKansan]

48. Yes good point

The Republican kids were less likely to get high back then, while we Democrat kids knew how to party down. :)

[onenote]

67. I just love the Goldwater Girl reference

How many 16 year old supporters of LBJ in 1964 do you think were smoking pot?

[proud2BlibKansan]

45. She may not have (as if it really matters)

Her age group was not as into drugs as younger groups. She is 6 years older than me and there were some kids who got high in that age group but also, an awful lot who didn't.

[kelligesq]

47. Not everyone did drugs during the 60's & 70's just like

not everyone drinks beer, or drinks at all.

[Warren DeMontague]

83. That's right. Many of us did drugs in the 80s. nt

[kelligesq]

95. Do you attribute that to Reaganomics ?

:bounce:

[Warren DeMontague]

100. No, I attribute that to Jerry, Bob, Phil, Billy, Mickey and Brent. nt

[THUNDER HANDS]

51. you never know with some people

I'd never suspect my parents ever smoked pot, because my mom is a nurse and my dad works in a hospital too, but they smoked weed right up until I was about 8 or 9 years old, from what my older cousin told me. And I always thought my parents were as square as you could get.

[adadem]

55. I don't think so

I get the impression she's too focused and controlled. Could be wrong...but that's my 2 cents.

[BooScout]

63. Nope.......

If she had done drugs in the past you can bet it would have been out front and center long before now.

[itsrobert]

66. I don't think she has

Maybe prescription drugs however.

[paulk]

69. actually, the Bill Clinton " I didn't inhale" story is a classic case

of media manipulation.

What Clinton really said was something along the lines of "I didn't inhale properly, and didn't feel any effect from the drug".

As anyone who's ever smoked pot knows, you don't inhale a joint the same way that you inhale a cigarette - and also - especially back in the day when this would have happened where the pot available wasn't as powerful as nowadays - he may not have even noticed that he was high. I know the first couple of times I did it, I didn't really notice much difference.

It's kind of fascinating to me how these right wing generated smears against Democrats have now become part of the public storyline -to the point where they are used against Democrats by Democrats. The Republicans, along with their allies in the MSM, are very, very good at this sort of thing. We should never forget that.

[Leopolds Ghost]

73. The real question is: What would Hillary be LIKE on drugs?

Perhaps she needs to expand her horizons here and adopt a new perspective on life.

Someone needs to get her stoned.

(not speaking from much personal experience, but it's something I've been told.)

[Hekate]

113. Earnest and philosophical. Philosophically earnest. Hyperintellectual but woozy. I mean at age 19...

I didn't toke, but my friends did. :eyes: I observed.

Somehow I think hanging around ol' Bill was as close to unwinding as she ever got when she was young. He must have been both scary-daring and her intellectual equal -- not something she was likely to have found in every Law Library.

Now? Too much is as stake for her to ever relax. I wouldn't be her.

Hekate

[Hippo_Tron]

74. Definition of "is" wasn't a dumb statement

It was clever language to avoid perjuring himself in a hearing that Ken Starr should have been disbarred for having in the first place.

Not a fan of the Clintons but I'll defend Bill on his conduct during the Monica bullshit that never should have been investigated in the first place.

"Didn't inhale" on the other hand, was a ridiculously stupid statement.

[ieoeja]

84. Beat me to it. He dodged a trick question. n/t

[mitchum]

75. I honestly believe that Bill Clinton didn't inhale...

he has asthma
he probably did feign taking a hit on a joint passed to him because he didn't want to look like a "hick from Arkansas"

Well, that's always been my theory

[countryjake]

86. That's what I've always thought, too...

I knew lots of people, especially women but some men, too, who pretended they were taking a hit, just to look cool. There was a name for it, but I can't remember now what they called them.

The guy has problems, but I don't think pot was one of them. I doubt either of the Clintons were ever freaks.

[SaveAmerica]

76. I'm concerned with who is going to fix this mess in our country and make

things right for our kids. I don't care if Hillary spent the entire year of 1969 with a bong duct-taped to her head, I'm looking at her political history and her plans for our soldiers in Iraq and Iran. And if Obama was a crack-head he couldn't have done as much damage as Dubya did, at least he's still able to speak coherently and string a complete sentence together. I wouldn't even care if Edwards spent all of his summers at the mill just so he could sniff big containers of dyes and solvents.

Basically we, as Democrats, need to contact these 'news programs' AS A UNIFIED GROUP and tell them to focus on the matter at hand which is to debate who is best as our Democratic candidate and not focus on distractions.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

77. Given the old photographs

I'm guessing she did.

It apparently didn't help.

[WinkyDink]

79. Drugs? As in, pot or cocaine? Maybe the former, although I doubt it. NEVER the latter.

[Warren DeMontague]

80. My question isn't "who smoked pot", but rather "who is going to end the idiotic drug war?"

The $40 Billion a YEAR idiotic drug war, (not including costs of incarceration of millions of non-violent offenders) that is aimed PRIMARILY at pot smoking.

Who is going to take the rational, sane step and stand up for legalizing, regulating, and TAXING pot? For de-escalating the drug war, and for treating hard drug addiction as the health issue it is, instead of a law enforcement one?

That's the real question. Not who did or didn't smoke a doobie in 1971.

[VotesForWomen]

82. it's quite possible. nt

[HughMoran]

85. I hope she did

I don't want anybody making policy in this country who hasn't "lived" in this country. That was part of the culture back then - heck, even my depression era dad did it a couple of times! :smoke:

[bridgit]

90. Some are suggesting her non-use of drugs is why she the way she is...

If, however, she didn't do drugs, and so has alleviated herself from the question itself by her bookworm'y adherence to other pursuits than, oh, say: drug use...how can it be aspersed she has been less "straightforward" when she may have been no-less-than-as "straightforward" as Barrack?

This is like fishing with cheese whiz

[KharmaTrain]

97. My Cousin Was One Of Her High School Teachers...

Maine Township High School, Park Ridge, Illinois in the mid 60's. Pleasant Valley Sunday...an upper-class suburbs in the age where "good girls don't" and the upcoming co-ed could look forward to a schedule loaded with home ec and typing classes.

I grew up a little later in an ajacent school district and even in the late 60's and early 70's drugs were something you heard about but rarely saw. I'll never forget a kid in my neighborhood showing off a joint...now I'm not sure it was real and he carried it around for weeks to show off...I doubt he ever smoked it. It probably was cat nip anyway.

While the "drug culture" came into being in the late 60's, it really didn't become common to see or know about people getting high until the mid 70's. I'm sure Hillary got the lectures and the "health classes" about how smoking a joint turned you into a junkie and "good girls don't".

Also, if you've seen a picture of Hillary in her High School and College days, Party Girl doesn't seem to fit her. IRC, she said she first met Bill in the Law Library at Yale...not at the Dew Drop Inn.

[fortyfeetunder]

102. Count me in as caring less

I am not looking for a saint to lead my country, I am looking for a leader.....

[Kat45]

104. I actually know someone who didn't inhale.

I recently found out that a friend who I used to party with was faking it the whole time. She just pretended to smoke the joints that were passed around.

[woo me with science]

105. She better've been a virgin when she married Bill, too, dammit.

sheesh. :eyes:

[Bluebear]

106. Personally I have never used drugs.

So it is not outside my realm of imagination to think that anybody else hasn't.

[Faux pas]

107. If she hasn't, maybe she should light up a fatty and chill out. n/t

[Hekate]

109. Don't give a good goddam. There's sure a lot of lazy thinking & casual slurs on this thread.

Hillary Rodham was earnest and ambitious, and afaik she kept her nose in her books. She and Bill met in the LAW LIBRARY for gods' sakes. She wasn't some party gal.

And btw an awful lot of us never partook. I don't care if you did or you didn't, but as it happens, I didn't and neither did a lot of other boomers.

It's shameful that Bob Johnson or whoever he was went out of his way to slur Barack Obama, and it's really too bad she didn't disavow that kind of thing right off. But I don't think it means she's covering up anything about her own youth -- it just means she's succumbed to mudslinging by surrogate in the present.

Hekate

[Roxy66]

110. Who frickin' cares.....

[AtomicKitten]

111. If she hasn't, after her appearance on the MTP, I highly recommend she start medicating herself.

[pleah]

112. I don't care if they did or didn't do drugs, but,

I actually would prefer someone who did. I think someone who did would have a better grasp on the so called drug war.

[Perry Logan]

115. Imagine if just SOME of this time and energy went into bashing Republicans.

[BlackVelvet04]

116. Do I think Hillary did drugs?

Who cares?

[donheld]

117. I never did drugs, so why should I not believe she never did drugs?

Some of us never did.