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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:53 PM
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Hillary wins among 384 likely Democratic primary voters in California
384? what kind of sampling is that?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7880.html

I'll tell you what it is, bullshit

California is an open primary state. The repukes only allow repukes to vote on the republican ballot if they are registered repuke

The Democrats and the Independents will allow any registered nonpartisan to vote either on the Democratic OR Independent ballot

Let me educate those who may not be aware, California is a pretty independent state. Another fact many do not realize is that the voting machines were decertified by the Secretary of State, so their will be only PAPER BALLOTS

This poll has only one intention, and that is to mislead, and distract from reality. I would not expect less from Politico OR CNN.

What a joke

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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:56 PM
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1. thats why i am glad to be a californian
I fell in love with mrs bowen when she decertified those machines. I think california primaries are gonna be more my style then the iowa and NH.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:58 PM
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2. I am in Northern California, and couldn't agree with you more /nt
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RuleOfNah Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:10 PM
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3. I am both excited and worried.
My Presidential Primary vote might weigh more than 0 this year. However, Independent Republican voters get to vote for their favored competitor.

Cost of living has forced many stereotypical Californians out of state, replaced by the less than aware.

Predictable it is not.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:20 PM
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4. Only if they reregister as a non-partisan. Most republican "independents"
in my view are not going to change their party to vote Democratic, they WANT to determine who the republican candidate is

The question is the independents in California, and that may be what you meant, and you are right, it is not predictable, though by reading the flawed poll, you might come away with a different impression

republicans have their own problems, it is the true independent that will decide

My personal belief at least among people I have talked with, is that their are a lot of independent Clinton haters out their

Another observation, the delegates gained from Obama or Edwards, will NOT go to Clinton

The media would like to give an impression that winning a state in the primary means that the person gets all the delegates, doesn't work that way

If this goes to the convention undecided, Clinton isn't going to be the nominee


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RuleOfNah Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:40 PM
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7. Yes, Republican-ish Independents.
Those adolescent Libertarian-ish Independents too.

Did the California delegates get chopped? I've heard about the car-alarm-sleeze Issa (AKA recall pimp) was pushing for chopping up the California chunk but don't know what happened after that...
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:46 PM
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8. It isn't on the ballot in the Feburary primary. I know they were trying
to get it on in time for the general election. As far as primaries, the respective parties have their own rules how delegates are divided

They are not talking about it anymore more, so perhaps they didn't get enough signatures, however, I observed them trying to snow people about a month ago in front of target, and most people I saw didn't want to sign anything. I think that may be more to do with that people here just tired of special interest groups trying to push their own special agenda

Obviously, I hope it doesn't make it. What I saw on my sample ballot was propositions relating to Indian casinos, and schools bonds, nothing too controversial





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Mutineer Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:22 PM
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5. The good thing? People know that polls are bullshit now.
But I have been to several mainstream websites in recent days with their own polls and I see a landslide for Hillary. My guess? Her campaign workers spend a lot of time on the internet to drive perceptions. You see it here at DU for God's sake. One more reason not to vote for her.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:28 PM
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6. Just unite Obama and Edward's votes and the Hillary will lose
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 09:30 PM by still_one
Also note how much Obama has gained. As he comes out to campaign in California, as far as I can see it will only get better for him


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