Telecom immunity

[Fresh_Start]

why do so many demand telecom immunity?

what crimes are being hidden?
what precedent are they trying to set?
could they be more transparent at favoring corporations over favoring civil rights?

[Selatius]

1. Harry Reid is a bastard for putting forward the FISA bill with telecom immunity attached.

There were two versions, one with and one without. He had to put the one with immunity attached on the floor for debate.

[fenriswolf]

3. harry reid

is a sell out piece of dog shit that should be tarred and feathered. He is not a dem and he is doing everything he can to stop these dems from actually making a differance. He is a big part in this "do nothing" congress.

[fenriswolf]

2. in short

alot of them
that corporations have free reign to do what they want
your kidding right? corporations trump civil rights.

[Fresh_Start]

4. corporations trump civil rights

is the biggest issue on the table for me

I think most of our problems can be laid at that altar

[wtmusic]

5. It always comes down to:

$$$.

Settlements could be in the $billions. The telcos have their lobby machine running in all-out disaster mode.

[Fresh_Start]

6. I understand that dollars are at stake

though more than likely it would be something stupid like coupons or discounts on future services the way so many of the class action suits have gone

[wtmusic]

7. I am sure they will do their best to weasel out of a cash payment

but here's the thing: no immunity means no criminal immunity either. If the public gets behind this there could be indictments in the future.

Time to draw the line on personal privacy. The spying is out of control.

[Fresh_Start]

9. I think there's no chance in hell of criminal prosecution

no matter which party is in control of government

[wtmusic]

11. You may be right

but IMO it's amazing that immunity is still an issue at all.

A grassroots public outcry has thrown a monkey wrench into the gears. Hard not to be optimistic.

[Loftlore]

8. Don't let Phone Companies OFF THE HOOK!

I urge the Senate to reject retroactive amnesty for telecommunications companies. These companies committed crimes, pure and simple. They used their position of trust and privilege to spy on Americans. They did this without warrants. If any Senator or Congressional Representative is EVER going to campaign on being tough on crime, I don't see how they can support amnesty for phone companies. How can these violations of American rights be forgiven? The phone companies MUST be punished. If not, our very freedom is at risk! The phone company amnesty bill is an abomination and it must be squashed!

The National Security Agency directed these warrantless surveillance on Americans. If the surveillance of innocent Americans is not to be considered spying, can anyone explain to me why a spy agency directed the covert operation? Remember, the Bush Administration denied that the spying ever happened! Do criminals ever lie about their crimes? The answer is obvious.

The spying included the records and content of private DOMESTIC communications. Millions of ordinary, innocent Americans were victimized. What's next, a listening device in every living room, a camera in every restroom? It's 1984, people.

Last night, during the Bush swan-song State of the Union address, Democrats sat on their hands much of the time. Their greatest silence was earned when President Bush demanded that phone companies be forgiven their crimes. Republicans, amongst them the leading Congressional neo-con Candice Miller, were all for letting phone companies off the hook. Rep. Miller even had time to shake the hand of George Bush when the last-gasp event was over. Who knows how deep the neo-cons self-interest goes in demanding amnesty for phone company crimes?

If George Bush is concerned about criminal charges against those involved in spying on Americans he has the option of pardoning every last one of them. Instead he's asking Congress to do his dirty work for him. Typical.

Senators! Congressional Representatives! Do not back Bush by allowing phone companies to escape their criminal acts! Do not forgive! Do not forget!

http://www.loftlore.com/blog

[wtmusic]

10. What did he say about immunity?

Couldn't watch, I get ill.

Searched the text for "immunity", "phone", etc. but no luck.

(welcome to DU)

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