bu$h* Says Faith Helped Him Beat Drinking

[spanone]

What a big ol load of horse manure.

BALTIMORE, Md. (AP) -- President Bush on Tuesday referred to his former struggles with alcohol as an ''addiction,'' a blunt characterization of his less disciplined adult days before a reliance on faith help him turn his life around.

''Addiction is hard to overcome,'' Bush said in speaking at a faith-based center that helps former prisoners get job training and other help.

''As you might remember, I drank too much at one time in my life,'' Bush said. ''I understand faith-based programs. I understand that sometimes you can find the inspiration from a higher power to solve an addiction problem.''

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Bush.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. and sometimes you lie through your teeth

anyone here think Bush is no longer abusing alcohol/or drugs?

[spanone]

5. anyone here think bu$h* went through a 'faith-based' program.....crock o shit

[Warpy]

29. He went to a rich men's bible study program in Midland

and that's the extent of it. My take is that he learned to lie through his teeth as he learned the language of the far religious right and how to hide his drinking a little bit better.

Without treatment, meaning formal rehab followed by a formal self help group, few addicts have much of a positive prognosis. It doesn't matter how much they say they love Jebus, addiction just doesn't work that way. It's obvious Stupid hasn't had formal treatment.

It's also obvious he's been binging whenever he gets off his leash. He was blotto at the 2006 G-8. His neurological condition continues to deteriorate to the point even lay folks are starting to wonder what's wrong with him.

Every year he reminds me more and more of an uncle of mine who died of end stage cirrhosis a few years ago, a man who also professed to love Jebus enough to stop drinking but only loved Jebus enough to hide the bottles better. The personalities are incredibly similar, as is the progression of neurological deficits. I can see Stupid's future, and it's not pretty.

[Arkansas Granny]

30. That's pretty much my take on it too. I watched a PBS Frontline

episode called "The Jesus Factor" that examined Bush's personal religious journey and it was quite frightening. I would recommend it to anyone who hasn't seen it, not only because of Bush, but the emphasis that is placed on religion in politics lately. You can watch it online here:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/


I believe our country is as close as it has ever been to becoming a theocracy.

[swoop]

34. He didn't say that.

He didn't say he'd been through a formal or faith-based addictions program. He said only that "sometimes you can find the inspiration from a higher power to solve an addiction problem."

That's true--and it's nothing to make anything out of.

[spanone]

40. oh, but the irony

[malaise]

52. For votes

:rofl:

[ingac70]

2. ....

:puke:

[fenriswolf]

3. how can he say this shit

when he has wine, beer, etc and we see him drinking. Is his thinking so compartamentalized that he doesnt think we see those pictures?

[VenusRising]

4. 'As you might remember, I drank too much at one time in my life,'' Bush said.

"Now I drink just enough to fuck up the country."

:eyes:

[bdamomma]

18. and was a nothing up until he was in his forties, his pappy and his

mother covering his ass all the time, he's been a nothing and continues to be a nothing. He has mental disorders, and going cold turkey is not curing him. He is a sick SOB.:hi:

[VenusRising]

19. Speak it, Truthseeker!!

HATE. HIM. :grr:






:hi:

[paparush]

6. So, um, what was it that got him over his BLOW habit?

Fondling icons of the Virgin Mary?

[zabet]

7. He doesn't just live in a bubble,

he lives in a bubble inside
of a bottle of booze.

:puke::puke::puke:

[bdamomma]

8. that excuse is such BS.

he so full of it,

What total BS

''As you might remember, I drank too much at one time in my life,'' Bush said. ''I understand faith-based programs. I understand that sometimes you can find the inspiration from a higher power to solve an addiction problem.''


I would like some psychologists and psychiatrists to weigh in on this.

[Johonny]

9. sometimes

It's fun to let the drinking win for a while, you know to get it's confidence up, then blam you hit it full force with some faith.

[RedStateShame]

10. How odd. His "faith" has caused me to drink more.

[Chovexani]

66. LOL

Seriously.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

11. And his cocaine abuse?

Blowing up frogs? :shrug:

[Dr Fate]

12. Hopefully one day it will help him beat his addiction to lying. n/t

n/t

[spanone]

13. somehow he missed that 'thou shalt not kill' thingy...selective faith basing

[Virginia Dare]

14. Yeah, at one time, like yesterday...

and the day before...:eyes:

[Corkey Mineola]

15. I think Bush is probably still sober

His use of the term 'higher power' implies some 12 step approach. For all we know he may still be going to AA meetings or some equivalence. In any case I think he's using 'code language' to signal that he is still sober and uses one of the 12 step programs. Thankfully, members are rigorous about not disclosing their affiliation at the public level. This is so that dicks like Bush don't scare people away.

As he referred to his problem as addiction before? Interesting....

[Virginia Dare]

17. I'm pretty sure he isn't...n/t

[stillcool]

21. Bush at an AA meeting?

not likely. First, he has never admitted being an 'alcoholic', never referenced alcoholism as a disease, never went for treatment...I believe Billy Graham counseled him into sobriety. Not very in tune with AA, the 12 steps, or the 12 traditions. Very much a dry drunk.

[Corkey Mineola]

25. I agree he's not a bastion of recovery

but that doesn't rule out the possibility that he's used the 12 steps. We just would never know. And that's a GOOD thing. You don't want people like Bush giving AA a bad name. It would interfere with the ability to help alcoholics who still suffer.

I hate the fucker, just for the record. But even assholes can get and stay sober and AA will never turn anyone away.

BTW I think there are some Jesusy 12 step programs.

[stillcool]

59. we'll never know...and you're right

he gives AA, and sober alcoholics a bad name. I think he falls into this category: "They are naturally incapable of grasping and developing a manner of living which demands rigorous honesty."

In His Own Words: 'I Made Mistakes'

The Washington Post
Sunday, July 25, 1999; Page A20

The following are excerpts of interviews with George W. Bush conducted by Washington Post reporters. The interviews took place May 11 and June 7, 1999, in Austin.

Why did you quit drinking?

A couple of things happened. One, you know, the Billy Graham visit in 1985. I met with Billy, but it's like a mustard seed. You know, he planted a seed in my heart and I began to change. . . . I realized that alcohol was beginning to crowd out my energies and could crowd, eventually, my affections for other people.

Yes, sometimes I would go to a party and drink too much. No, I would not drink too much on a daily basis. I never drank during the day.

You quit drinking and you became more spiritual. Talk about that a little bit.

To put it in spiritual terms, I accepted Christ. What influenced me was the spirituality, sure, which led me to believe that if you change your heart, you can change your behavior. There's a lot of drug rehabilitation programs and some that are based upon exactly what I went through, which is spiritually based – that's what AA is really based upon.

You never did AA?

I didn't, but I'm one of those that – I don't think I was clinically an alcoholic; I didn't have the genuine addiction. I don't know why I drank. I liked to drink, I guess.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories/bushtext072599.htm

[Corkey Mineola]

62. WOW.... thanks for the quote from Wash Post

interesting... hadn't seen that before

[Jed Dilligan]

63. Yes, there are Christian 12-steps

In a lot of treatment facilities (faith-based variety), the only in-house program is one. They allow people the option to go to regular meetings in the neighborhood to get around funding guidelines.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

22. I believe he has stated elsewhere

that he did not use any 12-step program to overcome his addiction.

[Lilith Velkor]

53. Oh, so he didn't join the One True Faith

Everyone knows that's the exact same thing as drinking. :eyes:

[originalpckelly]

16. He's still working on his a-dick-tion problem though.

And his a-diction problem as well.

[enid602]

20. OK

''As you might remember, I drank too much at one time in my life,'' Yeah, and Pickles had some less than courteous driving habits.

[BrklynLiberal]

23. Dry drunk...might as well still be drinking...

http://www.minnesotarecovery.info/literature/drydrunk.htm
Does this description bring anyone to mind?

The Dry Drunk Syndrome is a term that should not be used as a catch-all when one has a bad day or a bump in life throws us for a while. Those are ups and downs that everyone experiences and shouldn't be labeled to be anything more than what they truly are. The Dry Drunk is a condition far more serious than the highs and lows of our day-to-day existence.
The phrase "dry drunk" has two significant words for the alcoholic. "Dry" refers to the abstinence from drinking, whereas "drunk" signifies a deeply pathological condition resulting from the use of alcohol in the past. Taken together these words suggest intoxication without alcohol. Since intoxication comes from the Greek word for poison, "dry drunk" implies a state of mind and a mode of behavior that are poisonous to the alcoholic's well being.

OBVIOUS TRAITS Persons experiencing a full-blown DRY DRUNK are, for that period, removed from the world of sobriety; they fail, for whatever reason, to accept the necessary conditions for sober living. Their mental and emotional homes are chaotic, their approach to everyday living is unrealistic, and their behavior, both verbal and physical, is unacceptable.

This lack of sober realism manifests itself in many ways.
1. Grandiosity, put very simply, is an exaggeration of one's own importance. This can be demonstrated either in terms of one's strengths or weaknesses. In either case it is blatantly self- seeking or self-serving, putting oneself at the center of attention, from the "big me" who has ask the answers to the "poor me" whose cup of self-pity runneth over and wants all of our attention.

2. Judgmentalism is mutually related to grandiosity. It means that the alcoholic is prone to make value judgments - strikingly inappropriate evaluations - usually in terms of "goodness" or "badness".

3. Intolerance leaves no room for delaying the gratification of personal desires. This is accomplished by gross confusion of priorities with the result that a mere whim or passing fancy is mistakenly given more importance than genuine personal needs.

4. Impulsivity is the result of intolerance or the lack of ability to delay gratification of personal desires. Impulsivity describes behavior which is heedless of the ultimate consequence for self or others.

5. Indecisiveness is related to impulsitivity in the sense that while the latter takes no realistic account of the consequences of the actions, the former precludes effective action altogether. Indecisiveness stems from an unrealistic exaggeration of the negative possibilities of the action ; so one wavers between two or more possible courses of action, more times than not- nothing gets done.

These conditions, grandiosity, judgmentalism, intolerance ,impulsivity, and indecisiveness taken separately or together can lead to the following: a) Mood swings, which are unrelated to the circumstances to which one tries to link them. Alcoholics zero in on what they want others to think is the cause of the mood swing, when it isn't that at all. More often than not it is something much deeper than the reason given. Inversely it can also be something totally insignificant with no substance at all (e.g. the sugar is too sweet or the donut is too round). Any excuse will do. b) Unable to demonstrate emotions freely, naturally and without constraint. No emotional spontaneity, no genuine spark. c) Introspection. A very healthy thing to do is difficult if not impossible for the "dry drunk". It means to look inward to one's examining each thought and desire, which is linked directly to one's attitude. d) Detachment. Become aloof, display indifference, don't care one way or the other, no special likes or dislikes, they withdraw. e) Self-absorption- with a tendency to call attention to whatever they have attained. Narcissism which is quite simply self-love. They become pompous asses. f) The inability to appreciate or enjoy themselves - nothing satisfies. g) Evidence of disorganization, is easily distracted, complains of boredom, and nothing seems to fit. h) A nostalgia sets in, a kind of wistful yearning for something of the past, such as freedom from care associated (falsely) with drinking, bars, drinking associates, and friends; the music, blue lights, and tinkle of the ice cubes in a glass in the neighborhood saloon. i) There can be a kind of romanticism, which includes unrealistic valuations of lifestyles and character traits which can be and usually are objectively dangerous to one's sobriety. j) Escapism. Fantasizing, daydreaming, and wishful thinking are very much in evidence in the dry drunk syndrome as the individual slips farther and farther from reality.

[bdamomma]

24. this is such BS.

I would love the Mental Health professionals weigh in on this.

Sure, his faith cured him, What total BS!!!!!!!!!!

oops I already commented on this.

[Kali]

26. ''As you might remember, I drank too much at one time in my life,''

..."and now I drink responsibly." (in his delusional, shriveled, malformed, drunken bit of fat some MIGHT call a mind)

[Eurobabe]

27. Faith Hill?

[BrklynLiberal]

28. hahahahahahahahahaha

:rofl:

[Arkansas Granny]

31. That faith-based center didn't help him much with his addiction

to lying, now, did it? We will never know how many live have been lost because of his lies.

[Kansas Wyatt]

32. Apparently it didn't help with his lying

Sure, he quit drinking.:rofl:

He just speaks incoherently, stammers, stumbles, falls down, and ends up with a lot of marks for no reason.:rofl:

[sam sarrha]

33. "one time...", how about 2/3's.!! click on the blue link in my signature, Dry Drunk Syndrome, i was

a drunk 1/2 my life, i basically blacked out on my first drink and woke up 25 years later, i did try AA several times..

i actually did have a spiritual based program, except i discovered the Four Noble Truths, first and foremost teaching of the Shakyamuni Buddha, 1/all life involves suffering, 2/there's a cause of suffering-attachment,desire,karma,ignorance, 3/the Posit-if there is a cause there can be a resolution. 4/the resolution is the 4th Noble truth-the lesson plan in wisdom,ethics and Mediative skills, a lifestyle that prevents accumulation of more bad karma while we develop our skills needed for renunciation,liberation and enlightenment.

it was during Meditation i learned why everything else failed.. i couldn't deal with the shame of being addicted and the things i did during addiction, when i sobered up. in meditation you learn to not only let go of, but not hang on to the perceived control of the conventional mind. i became liberated from the guilt past and the anxiety of the illusion of the future.

i studyed and meditated every day for about 4 months listened to Pema Chodron/Jack Kornfield,etc tapes all day, every day at work, then i
ran into a Tibetan Lama, an attendant of the Dalai Lama and the Chant Master of the Dalai Lama's Monastery, he invited me to attend meetings at the Chenrezig Center. i attended 3 meetings a week and other activities for 4 years without missing a meeting. i worked really hard, alcohol just fell away.. after about 2 1/2 years of regular meditating i had a "Revelation" that Buddhism was a like AA for people addicted to the 'conventional mind', sort of an 8 step program.

i bet W had some serious "Very Private" Rehab and is just lying as usual to make himself look good.. like him saying.."ONCE" IN MY LIFE.. YEA, SURE.. JUST "ONCE".. 'Cured by gOD, move along..' i bet he screwed up really bad and carl and Dick watter boarded him and electrified his balls, threatened to flay him on an ant hill.. i don't believe anything that piece of shit says..

[FATCATs]

35. ie. DRY DRUNK

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

36. He has drank threw out his reign.

These past 7 years, he has always been an early to bed kinds guy. To drink. I see it in the way he stumbles around in those morning clips, arms straightened out in front, one foot held off kilter, balance off, I see it in his skin color, the puffiness, the bruises and abrasions on his face, He still drinks. The MSM covers it up, like they did for Kerrys wife, for the same reason. They think it's for the good of the Nation.
Need a refill myself here. One of these days, look out AA, I'm coming.

[Solly Mack]

37. Who is this Faith and why is he blaming her?

[spanone]

39. country singer?

[Solly Mack]

42. Faith Hill doesn't support him, probably why he blames her

[spanone]

45. yea, i belive faith & tim are dems....percy faith? blind faith? leap of faith?

[Solly Mack]

48. perhaps he meant Doug Feith?

snicker

[PsN2Wind]

38. Such a coincidence,

Faith cured my virginity.

[Javaman]

41. Faith and a lot of scotch helped him*. LOL nt

[niyad]

43. the local story is that he had his "epiphany" about drinking right here

at the broadmoor. I am surprised somebody hasn't made a shrine at the spot.

I, for one, don't believe a word of his sobriety, I believe it was only a story created to make him more palatable as a pol.

[Solly Mack]

44. Only the Bush spin machine could define delirium tremens as an epiphany

[lonestarnot]

46. And for the times I have witnessed his drunken stupor?

[Cleita]

47. Another lie. He never beat drinking and is probably

snockered right now as I type this. Has anyone seen him today?

[malaise]

49. I just saw that crap on GEMSNBC

I was howling with laughter. :D

Sp.

[dysfunctional press]

50. and smoking pot helped me beat faith...

and realize what utter religious bullshit had been pounded into my childhood self.

[Bluebear]

51. Great advice for the addicted, George. Pray away your alochol & drugs.

No treatment, no support groups, just Jesus. Wonderful message to send people who are struggling.

[n2doc]

54. Helped him beat Thinking too! n/t

[Fire Walk With Me]

55. Why not try that with your oil addiction, buddy?

[HooptieWagon]

56. Faith Helped Him Beat Drinking...

... and Feith made him start again.

[allalone]

57. that's odd, he's always bragged

that he quit on his own. cold turkey (yeah, as if)

[spanone]

58. really not that odd, he's lied about everything

:hi:

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

60. When Bush no longer needs faith as a political prop

I'll bet he drowns his sorrows in his remaining days on Earth in daily binges of Jack Daniels.

[IDemo]

61. "I'm just like Lincoln since I quit drinkin' "

apologies to Charlie Ryan.

[Dukkha]

64. my faith in drinking will help me beat *

:spank:

[MiniMe]

65. Who is this Faith and does Laura know about her?