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El Pinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:13 AM
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OMFG - "Jingle Mail"-Deliberate Foreclosure- is already a web-based BIZNESS!



http://www.youwalkaway.com/


Is Foreclosure Right For You?

Ask Yourself...

If you are facing or considering foreclosure, you're not alone.



Are you stressed out about your mortgage payments?
Do you have little or no equity in your home?
Have you had trouble trying to sell your house?



Gotta hand it to those web entrepreneurs - they don't waste any time.

But do you really need a paid service to default on your upside-down mortgage?
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:14 AM
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1. Why is the Model Smiling While Packing up Her Remaining Belongings?
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:02 AM
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6. Because... the super jumbo loan they got 2 and 1/2 years
ago was for 125% of the $650,000 purchase price, and a mortgage payment of only $3800, allowed her to walk away with $48,000 dollars while living rent free for the last 2.5 years.

So now that the interest rate went up and her mortgage went to $5000, she would rather mail the bank her keys (hence the term "jingle mail") and walk away. Stuff she and her family bought with that money ($114,000 that they didn't spend on rent + $48,000 in extra cash) they used to buy all of the home furnishings and cool electronics (mostly from China) plus the new Toyota SUV in the driveway.

They will find a smaller place to rent (there are plenty of rentals on the market) before their credit is ruined, and, so long as they make the rent, they won't suffer any ill effects at all.

And if you think this isn't happening...

http://homeguide123.com/articles/Top_5_Most_Ridiculous_Mortgage_Borrower_Stories_of_2007.htm

http://homeguide123.com/articles/Reckless_Mortgage_Borrowers_Do_Not_Deserve_to_Be_Rescued.html

Of course, there are many home owners who didn't do the things listed in the articles.
And many were talked into doing a low interest bigger loan (sub prime) by the realtor and lending institutions... because, ya know, housing will always go up in price! :sarcasm:

There is plenty of greed (people wanting to live in big suburban houses and live "large", even if all they could really afford was a row house or condo) to go around. Lenders that didn't even do the smallest income check just so they could be paid a commission on the loan, bankers that knew it didn't matter, they weren't going to hold the paper on these, they would be re-bundled, sliced and diced, mixed in with other securities and sold to investors.

Which brings me to the last practice... For just a whole lot of these loans, there isn't a mortgage holder (no one person or institution holds the mortgage)... so when the foreclosure notice comes (usually from a service bank... the people you make the payments too) they actually DON'T have the mortgage... and in many instances, can't point to anyone that does. Savvy homeowners are simply going to court over the foreclosure and telling the court "prove it". So far, a number of home owners have gotten away with simply not paying, no foreclosure, but no deed either, but they keep the home. It's a legal loophole, but the judges haven't been kind to the mortgage makers because they really SHOULD have documents and records on all of this.

The whole mortgage business is one giant ponzi cluster fuck. To bad it might take both the US and Europe, and maybe the whole world down the tube with it.

Sub prime mortgages started out in 1994... after some banking rules changes. However, they didn't become a significant percentage of the mortgage business until 2001.

Why wasn't there any oversight?

Banks loaning money to investors speculating on a bubble market is exactly what caused 1929. FDR instituted a number of banking reforms to prevent this from happening again. Since Reagan and Bush 1 and Clinton 1 and Bush 2, most of these reforms and restrictions have disappeared Probably because someone thought they were "quaint". Now where have I heard that before.

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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:08 AM
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10. Thanks for the Toothsome reply
Better answer than I could have hoped for !
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:16 AM
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2. She looks damn cheery for losing her house!
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:21 AM
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3. disgusting ...very disgusting, especially when you think about the criminal
activity involved in the previous bubble market.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:52 AM
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4. "You WILL be able to stay in your home...without having to pay!"
Good God. This is clearly the new business opportunity for the predatory lenders. I wonder how many people will fall victim to this scam?
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El Pinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:17 AM
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7. Well, in most cases, they would be able to stay - for a while
From what I've read, this company's services include laying out contingency plans for hwo to go through the foreclosure process (at present the company only operates in California), they do all the paperwork to keep collectors from calling, etc - they do provide a bona fide service and expertise - but nothing the debtor couldn't do on their own with a little googling and a lot less money.

In California, you can stay in your home several months after defaulting until the home is auctioned - those months living "rent free" allow the debtor to save up enough for a new life in rental housing, which in most of California, costs a lot less than mortgage payments on equivalent housing.


I do think this business is rather sleazy, but technically it's not a scam.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 07:50 AM
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9. how is this a business opportunity
for the LENDERS? You're kidding...right?

sP
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:56 AM
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5. These people are vultures, but that doesn't mean they aren't on to something
Many people are choosing to walk away from crappy mortgages. Why should only the wealthy corporations get to "write down" their debt? It's high time the "little people" stopped blindly sending their money up to the fat cats.



That smiling chick IS creepy, though. :scared:
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:25 AM
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8. PS: Good luck finding someplace to live. n/t
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:03 PM
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11. There is always money to be made when feeding on the dead. nt
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