How long should we wait for Impeachment? Where are the investigations?

[Luckyduck]

I have seem much discussion on DU about impeachment and waiting for investigations but I have yet to see the Democrats moving toward real investigations that will lead to impeachment.

How long will we wait before we decide that the Democratic party is protecting Bush at the expense of our country? If we allow them to wait much longer they will say 'oh well,not enough time'

It is their constitutional duty to Impeach, they are violating their oath of office.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Investigations ARE UNDER WAY

watch C-SPAN

We call them hearings.

[Luckyduck]

2. I don't have C-Span

why don't you clue me in?

Are they discussing impeachable offenses?

[Luckyduck]

17. What are they discussing?

n/t

[nancyr]

3. A long wait.

Nothing is going to happen.

[Luckyduck]

4. Can we Impeach Congress?

Humanity demands that we impeach this bastard and send him to the Hague before he kills again!

[Iwasthere]

5. I agree

I made that same comment. Impeach Congress if they won't do their job. Step up the hearings, get the goods on the criminals faster! We have much to lose. * will do something big to distract everything away and things like the British memos will fall deeped in the pile.

[Freddie Stubbs]

12. No

Members of Congress are not subject to impeachment.

[Luckyduck]

14. What can we do besides wait until 2008?

Bush will attack Iran by then. There must be something we can do.

[ClassWarrior]

21. How about applying constant pressure to our Reps?

Democracy, remember? :crazy:

NGU.

[Luckyduck]

22. I agree

but we have been doing that and they don't seem to be listening.

Nancy Pelosi said her top priority was Iraq but she has no plans to do anything.
She is going to give even more money to Bush, even as he plans to attack Iran.
Are we supposed to just accept that?

[Zhade]

35. Where are the threads on DU about them, then?

What are they holding hearings on? Sure aren't in the news!

[pat_k]

44. Open ended investigations say "We don't have a case" -- a counterproductive lie.

We must not wait. Bush and Cheney have been waging war on the Constitution for years. It is THAT war that Congress is sworn to fight.

As long as we leave the massive power of the American presidency in the hands of fascist war criminals we have no hope of doing anything productive in the Middle East. Only impeachment can change the dynamics and make it possible to engage the stakeholders and extract our troops (not to mention that trying to remodel our own House while it's burning is assine.)

It's time to change those signs:
Stop the War in Iraq on the Constitution
Redeploy Impeach NOW.

Just imagine if the January 27th March and the January 29th lobbying day focused 100% on impeachment.

Just imagine if, for once, we focused on a SINGLE message.

Bush and Cheney confess to their crimes each time they publicly assert their fascist fantasy that a unitary authoritarian executive is tolerable under the Constition. The proof that they dictated torture and criminal domestic spying is public record. Staffers are more than capable of pulling together the evidence and drafting the articles to be presented in impeachment hearings.

Each day that passes without Impeachment Hearings, our so-called "leaders" give Bush and Cheney cover. ("If we were doing anything that subverted the Constitution more Members of Congress would be demanding impeachment. Not only are they not demanding it, the Congressional leadership has taken it "off the table. The investigations? They're just fishing expeditions.").

Their failure to impeach despite having irrefutable proof and confessions is unprincipled cowardice (qualities that Dems demonstrate at their peril). Even the unprincipled and cowardly "strategerists" ought to be able to see that impeachment is on unprecedented opportunity for the so-called "leadership" to challenge the wimpy image that has plagued the Democratic Party for decades.

Only Impeachment Hearings will garner the attention of the nation.

Only Impeachment can reassert the terms of our common contract (i.e., the Constitutuion for the United States).

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

6. I believe that Waxman's hearings start tomorrow. He is going to bring this

administration down.

[Luckyduck]

7. I hope you are right!

I am really getting tired of doing this:banghead:

[walldude]

8. Agreed, it's gonna be Waxman and Rangle

who carry this flag for us...

[BuyingThyme]

9. You are correct Luckyduck. Pelosi is setting herself up

to be the modern-day Gerald Ford. But, believe it or not, that's not a bad thing in the eyes of many here.

[Luckyduck]

10. I think they should focus on illegal wiretapping

The case has already been made. Bush first admitted that wiretaps require a court order, then admitted to illegal wiretapping without a court order on national TV. case closed.

We need to remove him from office ASAP before he attacks Iran, or god forbid we have another national emergency like Katrina. We do not need endless investigations. They can to that at the ICC.

Who is looking into illegal wiretapping?

[crispini]

11. I will be pissed in 4-6 months.

Not before then.

[Luckyduck]

13. that's when they will say 'sorry, too late'

The evidence is in public. The longer the Democratic party enables Bush the more it seems as if they are collaborators.

We must force them to act now!

[mmonk]

15. How long do you have?

[Luckyduck]

16. I can't help noticing that Bush wants to attack Iran ASAP

we better do something now....before.......'well we're in Iran now we can't leave- the war in Iran is going badly but we can't cut the funding'

[mmonk]

18. Apparently they don't plan to stop him or they wouldn't

opt for theatre such as non-binding resolutions and have impeachment off the table. We'll have to wait on Fitz and the trial revelations to possibly give democrats cover to do the right thing. It's still possible.

[Luckyduck]

20. I know

:argh:

[porphyrian]

19. I'll kick that. - n/t

[B Calm]

23. A good place to start would be for everyone to change their Avatar Image

with the Impeach Bush!

[Luckyduck]

24. at risk of sounding stupid...

How do I do that exactly?

[GoddessOfGuinness]

26. Go into the "options" menu at the top of the page

Click on "edit your profile" and "avatar image"
Select the avatar of your choice from the dropdown menu. :hi:

[Luckyduck]

28. Thank you!

:hi:

[GoddessOfGuinness]

29. You're welcome!

:toast:

[GoddessOfGuinness]

30. I'm game for that...

It might not have direct results; but it may help get DUers talking to their reps about it. :)

[conscious evolution]

25. See my thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x31304

Things are starting to happen.

[Luckyduck]

27. I am excited about all investigations into this corrupt administration

but right now we need impeachment and fast! I doubt they will seek impeachment over Waxman's investigations into Halliburton and the energy task force- they should of course...

Where's Conyers? We need to impeach Bush for illegal wiretapping BEFORE he attacks Iran!

[conscious evolution]

31. Unless everything is brought to light

they will only pardon each other.
While a quick impeachment attempt on some of the easily provable offenses they have committed would be nice to see in the long run would not be of long term benefit.
They must be exposed completely for what they have done and held accountable.Other wise they will just crawl under a rock only to re-emerge at a later date.And emerge they will.Like a plague of locusts,when the time is right,they will once again try to pillage the earth.
Their plans took time to come to fruition.Exposing them needs time too.

[Luckyduck]

32. I am afraid they are going to crawl under a rock anyway

My urgency is based on the idea that Bush is planning on attacking Iran now.
We must stop this.
I can just see the Democratic party already "well now that we are there, we can't leave now"
Both Edwards and Obama support holding Iran accountable- even though they are 10+ years away from being a 'threat'.
We have to hold this entire government accountable starting with the Democrats who are not listening to their own party.
I was hoping the rest of their crimes would come out at Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld's trial at the Hague.

[conscious evolution]

33. Do you really think the American MSM

would be allowed by their corporate masters to cover a trial at the Hague.
That would be a sure way to let it fade into oblivion.

[marmar]

34. Conyers is right here:

I am pleased to report that the Judiciary Committee held its first organizational meeting today and we are up and running. It was the first Committee activity in which I was the Chair and I felt humbled and honored by the experience.

We also announced our first hearing, an oversight hearing, a week from today at 10:15a entitled: "Presidential Signing Statements under the Bush Administration: A Threat to Checks and Balances and the Rule of Law?"

I am looking forward to it.

http://johnconyers.com/node/90

[Luckyduck]

36. He pretended to pursue impeachment...

...then backed down after the election saying the election was enough accountability.

He disappointed many people!

I want him to pursue impeachment like he promised!

[marmar]

37. I don't think Conyers ever "pretended" to pursue impeachment...

I think he did and still does want to pursue it. But he, under a little pressure from Nancy Pelosi, decided to shut up about it during the election. I'm quite sure that if the investigations produce impeachment-worthy facts, then it will find its way back onto the table. There's something to be said for subtlety.

[Luckyduck]

38. Bush has already admitted to illegal wiretapping on National TV

Conyers knows this. He knows all about the FISA laws that were created after Nixon, an impeachment effort he did participate in.

Perhaps I seem impatient,but I want some action, some results.
Bush is going to attack Iran- we must stop this now!
Bush must be removed from office!

Our country is responsible for the deaths of at least 650,000 innocent Iraqis.

ENOUGH!

[marmar]

39. He might know it, but until he can prove it, it doesn't matter....

For the record, I'd like to not only see Bush and Cheney impeached, but shipped off to the Hague.

[Luckyduck]

41. Bush did that all by himself

He went on TV and said 'wiretaps require a court order'

he later admitted he had been wiretapping without a court order...case closed.

Impeachment involves investigations.
We know Bush is guilty, we need Conyers to introduce articles of impeachment and get to work illustrating his crimes.

[chknltl]

40. Ahh I am among many friends here

I feel that impeachment should be America's main goal right now as the first step in placing ourselves as a member in good standing among the civilized nations of this world.
We aided in the regime change of Iraq, now it is our turn. We must remove our poster child for world terrorism from his position of power and offer him and his cronies up for a world tribunal to investigate and deal with.

Don't agree?

Saddam invaded a country under false pretenses.
BUSH DID THAT VERY SAME THING!

Saddam used WMD against his enemies as well as his own people to include innocent non-combatant civilians.
BUSH DID THAT VERY SAME THING!

Saddam was a destabilizing influence throughout the Middle East
BUSH IS NO DIFFERENT!

Saddam robbed the peoples of Iraq.
BUSHCO IS ROBBING THE PEOPLES OF IRAQ!

Saddam threw many innocent Iraqi citizens into prisons and condoned their torture.
BUSH HAS DONE THIS AS WELL!

We urged the peoples of Iraq to rise up and overthrow their dictator.
GREAT ADVICE, LET US HEED IT OURSELVES. Or are we really the hypocritical imperialists that the terrorist leaders portray us to be...we can talk the talk but we are unwilling to walk the walk.

So knowing all this and I can assure you that many folks over in the Middle East are just as aware as you are...what message would you, my fellow American, want to send to that fellow over in Iraq who is being canvassed to join up in a jihad against America. Do you tell him that he is wrong to consider such thoughts? Do you ask him to go back to his home-a home which gets less electricity or water than it did when Saddam was dictator.. a home where he must take great risks in order to provide for his family, a home where even his children take great risks just going school, a school that could be wiped out at any time I might add.

If WE THE PEOPLE are not to be considered complicit in all of this then we must do what is right. In your heart of hearts each and every one of you knows this already: BUSHCO MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE!
Anything less and we dramatically increase the odds of further 9-11s here...WE THE PEOPLE need to take charge of our own fate.

THE WORLD IS WATCHING

thank you

[dysfunctional press]

42. don't hold your breath...

that's not what the old boys millionaire's club is all about these days.

[Senator]

43. How long must the torture victims wait...

... for our new DC-Dem majority (the US Gov't) to meets our obligations under Geneva?

Yes, there are things more important than the surge. And failure to stop and prosecute torture can be a war crime in itself.

Only Impeachment... can stop the torture.

It IS our positive agenda.

It is our ONLY moral, patriotic option.

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[Luckyduck]

45. kick

:kick: