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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:37 AM Original message |
Man shoots teen who hit him with a snowball. |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:40 AM Response to Original message |
1. Sweet dreams, gun guys. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:11 AM Response to Reply #1 |
16. Classy. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:34 AM Response to Reply #16 |
33. This is the inevitable result of proliferation and easy access to firearms |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:37 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Yes. But they'll argue that the gun didn't shoot anyone... |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:41 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. it's amazing how guns never have anything to do with someone dying with a bullet in them |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:51 AM Response to Reply #39 |
45. It's a miracle. nt |
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superkia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #39 |
250. I would guess that you would also like pitbulls, rottweilers,... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #250 |
288. Interestingly enough, several Australian states have put serious restrictions on the pitbull breed |
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superkia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #288 |
290. I went overboard trying to make a point but you missed it. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:13 PM Response to Reply #290 |
293. Not to threadjack, but it's the breed |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 01:55 AM Response to Reply #250 |
294. We've already had habeas corpus destroyed with nary a whimper from gun owners |
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liberal4truth (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 02:13 AM Response to Reply #294 |
295. Gun owners only about thier guns. They hide behind the 2nd amendment but the "Heller" case in DC.. |
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Indy Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #295 |
309. Is that why police officers carry them? n/t |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:50 AM Original message |
In order to appreciate the impact of so many guns, you have to live somewhere abroad |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
46. Let me guess -- did *you* spend a little time in Australia? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 09:03 AM Response to Reply #46 |
56. Fortunately, I'm here right now! |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 09:06 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. You didn't answer the question. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 09:36 AM Response to Reply #58 |
65. No need to be sarcastic |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #65 |
84. You mean Australia isn't a progressive paradise? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #84 |
267. FACTS are that you're willing to subject your countrymen to increasing carnage |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #267 |
278. Your kidding right? What part of "the right of the people...shall not be infringed" is confusing? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #278 |
285. Lawyers call that "the shotgun approach" |
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sepulveda (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #65 |
205. utter rubbish |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #58 |
90. Look, rights in the Constitution are obviously subject to judicial interpretation. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #90 |
98. I suggest you direct that post to someone making an "unlimited right" argument |
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whopis01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #98 |
208. Tesha is making a significant point, you should not blow it off so casually. |
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mrbluto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #90 |
164. What was the purpose of the right? |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 06:53 PM Response to Reply #164 |
279. Yea "well regulated" has little to do with govt regulations, but with training and effective arms. |
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mrbluto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 02:57 AM Response to Reply #279 |
296. Yep. We're essentially on the same page. I think. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #90 |
277. I recommend reading the briefs submitted on behalf of Heller (SCOTUS) |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #58 |
103. to what well-regulated militia do you belong? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #103 |
116. None. Except for the statutory defintition. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #116 |
121. wouldn't you have to be "organized" in order to be "well-regulated"? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #121 |
125. I don't see that requirement in either the Constitution or the statute. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #125 |
132. the statute distinguishes between the National Guard and such (organized) |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #132 |
137. I see no reason to substitute "organized" for "well-regulated" |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #137 |
142. regardless, it is self-evident that the "unorganized" category |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #142 |
145. Your definition of "self-evident" is somewhat different than mine. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #145 |
148. isn't yours more correctly characterized as a "non-interpretation"? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #148 |
149. No, I simply don't think you should (much less must) equate "well-regulated" |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #149 |
150. I'm not equating anything with anything, beyond what you've already done |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #150 |
151. First of all, I don't agree with your premise |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #151 |
156. what purpose does the phrase, |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #156 |
159. You posted a strawman and a non-sequitur. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #159 |
172. the purpose of the Second Amendment, at the time it was written, |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #172 |
185. I think we have some fundamental differences in a couple of areas. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #185 |
189. what do you suggest? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #189 |
191. I suggest addressing the underlying causes of the violence. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #191 |
194. what about regulations to close the gun show loophole |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #194 |
197. I think those loopholes make a hand scapegoat, but don't amount to much at all in the real world |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #197 |
201. here in the real world of metro Denver Colorado, |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #201 |
213. I don't know enough about the specifics of the case to argue whether those incidents were the result |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #213 |
217. adios. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #217 |
223. Fuck you! You're worse than Hitler's mustache! |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #223 |
224. I resemble that remark. |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #201 |
252. Some of the guns used in Columbine were bought legally |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #172 |
192. Oh, for god's sake... |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #192 |
195. happy shooting! |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #192 |
199. I think we're actually 27th, but no quibble there |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #199 |
206. So then the problem isn't guns? |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #206 |
212. I've never said anything BUT that guns are part of a bigger problem |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #212 |
226. Yet when those other western democracies ban guns.... |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #226 |
231. let's get the US murder rate anywhere near the ballpark of the other countries |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #231 |
240. There are institutional problems preventing us from doing that |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #240 |
243. it's a sticky wicket, no? |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #243 |
246. Yes, it is... |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #172 |
280. It doesn't guarantee "the militia men" - it guarantees "the people" - HUGE difference. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #150 |
258. Christ on a crutch... |
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sergeiAK (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #142 |
154. Why would the government protect their own right to bear arms? |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #154 |
160. who said anything about the Army? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #160 |
163. Ok, I know this will make me sound like a kook to the more delicate sensibilities on this thread |
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sergeiAK (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #160 |
165. The National Guard is a Federal group |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #165 |
169. "They're equivalent to the army." |
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sergeiAK (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #169 |
198. Federal funding = federal control |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #165 |
178. The National guard has been federalized, most recently (legally) in the Korean War |
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sergeiAK (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #178 |
207. By statute, yes. In practice, no |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #207 |
215. yes. as I discuss above in post 172, when the Second Amendment was written |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #215 |
276. Not just threats from native americans- the people had VERY vital roles in protecting their |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #276 |
283. which also was a reaction to the very same gun bans by the British |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #283 |
284. Agreed - now we have no real recourse but to trust our leaders, and our military to do the right |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #116 |
155. so women have to actually be members of the National Guard |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #155 |
162. No, because the Constitution is not a ceiling, but a floor. |
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skater314159 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #56 |
87. Well, many factors make Australia better than here... |
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FloridaJudy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #87 |
140. Obviously Australia got first choice. N/T |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:18 AM Response to Reply #56 |
300. absolutely true |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:30 AM Original message |
"The Constitution" is a living document. The Second Amendment itself |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
115. What other parts of the Bill of Rights need to be pruned to fit the modern world? |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #115 |
131. they all are fair game to be debated if a compelling problem exists |
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sergeiAK (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #131 |
157. You can buy guns by mail? |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #157 |
179. not true, |
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sergeiAK (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #179 |
200. If he's in the US, and those are modern shotguns, |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #200 |
210. how the hell would I know? I'm not a gun dealer. |
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sergeiAK (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #210 |
216. Then he's not selling directly to customers. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #216 |
218. in what way did you not order a gun by mail in this scenario? |
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sergeiAK (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #218 |
219. It wasn't delivered to me, now was it? |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #219 |
222. so you didn't get the gun? |
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sergeiAK (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #222 |
229. You implied I can order one and get it dropped off by UPS. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #229 |
230. what possible difference does any of that make |
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sergeiAK (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:00 PM Response to Reply #230 |
233. My local dealer does background checks, as required *by law* |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #233 |
235. yes. |
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sergeiAK (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #235 |
238. Yes, proposal within. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #238 |
242. I don't disagree with a single proposal in your list |
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sergeiAK (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #242 |
262. Easier than you'd think. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #262 |
263. thanks for the info |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #235 |
247. Spree killings |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #247 |
249. . . . with a gun legally purchased by either the murderer, the victim, |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 03:24 AM Response to Reply #249 |
298. Yup. n/t |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
176. And you're relying on the "if it leads, it bleeds" MSM? |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #176 |
244. I don't rely on the corporate media for much of anything |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
281. SO pass an amendment changing the constitution - until then the right of the people is secure. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
186. Really? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:41 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. You know, the text of your post is almost the verbatim argument |
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penguin7 (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #38 |
112. Did Moses come down from the mountain and give us the bill of rights? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #112 |
114. "How come the Bill of Rights is being held so damn sacred anyway?" |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #114 |
255. Was it sacred when blacks were counted as only 3/5th's of a person? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #255 |
265. Sure the Constitution is imperfect, but I don't think pruning the Bill or Rights addresses |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:50 AM Response to Reply #265 |
303. Aren't all individual rights constantly and consistently... |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #112 |
147. !!! |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 09:31 AM Response to Reply #33 |
63. Congradulations on your conversion to RW logic |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 09:49 AM Response to Reply #63 |
69. Where do those non-sequiters come from? |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #69 |
74. Dont get upset because youre using their logic.. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 10:22 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Nice try, but there's a huge difference between the two. |
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sergeiAK (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #76 |
221. How does one design a gun to kill people not animals? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #221 |
264. Yep- I've seen all those hordes of people in the fall hunting deer with Glocks |
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sergeiAK (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #264 |
266. Such a wonderfully idiotic statement |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #266 |
272. I would say, hunting traditions dictate what types of guns are primarily used when hunting |
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sergeiAK (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 06:29 PM Response to Reply #272 |
274. Handguns were primarily designed as . . |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #274 |
286. What a load of crap! |
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sergeiAK (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #286 |
289. I speak of modern handguns. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #74 |
256. Security on one hand. Freedom on the other. |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #256 |
259. Youre not looking hard enough.. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #259 |
260. Many people think that the only reasonable arguments |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #260 |
268. Show me someone on DU who says |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #33 |
143. This is the ONE REASON I always point to.. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #33 |
167. When will anti-gun people take responsibility for the damage they do to society? |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #167 |
174. lol.... oh brother |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #174 |
182. I thought so |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #182 |
204. You Have the Most Convoluted Arguments |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #204 |
211. Says the people trying to define the meaning of "the people" |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #211 |
214. Have Fun Down That Rabbit Hole |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #33 |
173. Very Well Said (nt) |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #173 |
177. What other rights are you willing to trade for the promise of safety? |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #177 |
202. You Assume I am Against Guns Completely |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #202 |
220. I don't assume anything, I go by the substance of your posts |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #33 |
261. And if he had come back with an ax or a hammer or a knife? |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:35 AM Response to Reply #16 |
35. "Trite"? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:43 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. I think the poster's attempt to use a horrible tragedy to make a lazy rhetorical point is trite. |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:52 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Yeah, yeah. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:56 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Touche. Your clever use of a cartoon face has carried the day! |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 10:02 AM Response to Reply #50 |
71. It's jus the same old, same old with you guys. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #71 |
80. I call baloney on you. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #80 |
94. You can call "baloney" all you like, but the truth is that you're acting as an un-paid lobbyist |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #94 |
101. Guilt by association doesn't cut it with me. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #50 |
135. not all gun owners are amoral monsters |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:55 AM Response to Reply #41 |
49. Yes, we should never use any of the 30,000+ annual gun deaths to make this point. It would be tacky. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:56 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. What point!? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:57 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Don;t be stupid; you know precisely what the point is. (NT) |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 09:02 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. No, I honestly don't. You don't like guns, I understand that much. |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 09:32 AM Response to Reply #55 |
64. I think the answer is clear: |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 09:59 AM Response to Reply #55 |
70. I think firearms should be within the purvue of a "well regulated militia". |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #70 |
75. And most people are considered "stable" before they shoot someone. nt |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #70 |
79. Given that there are a lot more guns than there are unstable people |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #79 |
95. Data? Got any to support that claim? (NT) |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #95 |
106. Do you think there are anywhere 200 million unstable people in this country? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #106 |
108. The interesting statistic, of course, would be... |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #70 |
82. You're mixing up two distinct arguments. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 09:26 AM Response to Reply #41 |
60. You are correct. It amazes me how rarely some of the anti-gun folks in this thread express little |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #41 |
72. And you didn't comment on the "your kid" question. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #72 |
81. If it was my kid? I would be utterly heartbroken and inconsolable. |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #81 |
136. I don't believe for one minute that you wouldn't change your mind. nt |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #136 |
144. I never said I wouldn't. That's why we don't let people in those situations define everyone else's |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:48 AM Response to Reply #16 |
42. Of course they wouldn't be pleased. But I think they have a way of ignoring reality. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:50 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Who are "they"? |
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Voice for Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #16 |
188. I thought Michael more made a pretty powerful point in Bowling for Columbine |
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Forrest Greene (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
190. I've Heard A Lot Of Gun Guys |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #190 |
196. Well, "A Lot of Gun Guys" that choose to use Heinlen as political philisophy are idiots |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
209. this shames us all. guns are our shame, the number who are killed |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 09:31 AM Response to Reply #1 |
62. Don't turn this into your political/ personal football |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #62 |
97. Why not? Because it gores *YOUR* ox? |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #97 |
109. No, because it is the over emotional irrationality |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #109 |
110. I suspect my "snowthrower" guy *WAS* a legitimate gun owner. |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. There again with the overblowing of your argument |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #111 |
113. Bullshit. |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #113 |
134. Still compared to the population, statistically low |
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skater314159 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
85. What the hell do you mean? What are you trying to accomplish? |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
126. You lot really get off on these stories don't you? |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
138. Notr: Man shoots teen; not gun shoots teen |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
141. he died |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:41 AM Response to Original message |
2. I forgot to add the following.... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #2 |
77. There's nothing more ugly or hypocritical than a "liberal" indulging in stereotyping |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:42 AM Response to Original message |
3. Just your average day in gun-loving America... |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:00 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. Now they're literally getting away with murder. nt |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:14 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Amazingly enough, the Hudson guy didn't die! (NT) |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:29 AM Response to Reply #3 |
28. For the rest of the story |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:32 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. So what was originally a fist-fight became a life-threatening situation. |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:50 AM Response to Reply #32 |
44. People have been killed with a single blow to the head |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:56 AM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Death by a single fist blow to the head is more rare than death by a single gunshot to the head. NT |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 09:05 AM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Totally irrelevant |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #44 |
99. The man could have easily ran to the telephone and called 911. |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #99 |
239. Yeah.... Right |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #239 |
254. So your solution to a fight is to shoot? |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #254 |
282. The last solution |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 10:14 AM Response to Reply #282 |
304. So your ability to dial 911 is impaired I see. Have fun with the scars. nt |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #304 |
305. I'll call after the conflict is over |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #305 |
307. Have fun there rambo. |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
4. The gun rights peeps know and ignore the 15% crazies in our society...many posing as normal |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:47 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I have a feeling it's a lot higher than 15% |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:06 AM Response to Reply #6 |
14. those are the ones who are caught/found and documented ... |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
5. That is attempted murder |
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Bluzmann57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:48 AM Response to Original message |
7. Yep. The thread goes as planned |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:56 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Howbout the brother-in-law in my reply above? Should the police have terminated him too? (NT) |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:17 AM Response to Reply #9 |
22. you left out some important details about that brother-in-law shooting... |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:24 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. THE GUY WENT TO HIS TRUCK AND GOT HIS GUN! |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 09:41 AM Response to Reply #24 |
67. you did it again...left out pertinent details... |
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Bluzmann57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #9 |
117. Did either guy pull a gun on the cops? |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:58 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Holy Crap. Now you're rationalizing shooting a kid with a snowball. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:02 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. What??? *YOU* are the one rationalizing it by blaming the gun |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:12 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. You're too far gone. |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 09:37 AM Response to Reply #17 |
66. Actually he is spot on |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
175. Which Exhibits How Extreme Some are Regarding Guns |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:28 AM Response to Reply #7 |
27. Nope. Pulling a trigger is a sterile event. Beating with a club... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #27 |
83. Pulling a trigger while the gun is aimed at a person is far from a "sterile event" |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #83 |
133. It would seem that a LOT of Americans don't |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:12 PM Response to Reply #133 |
139. I think better gun safety education is needed |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
8. I hope the teen recovers fully and the criminal is punished severely. |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
146. he didn't recover |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #146 |
168. RIP Teven Rutledge; I hope they find the murderer and give him life or the DP. |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:00 AM Response to Original message |
11. Horrific. The child is dying over a snowball. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:15 AM Response to Reply #11 |
20. We have become a very violent nation. (NT) |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:31 AM Response to Reply #20 |
30. Yet you and some other posters don't seem to get that *that* is the problem |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:36 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Violence +Tools = Death. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:43 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Violence without tools = death, too |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:54 AM Response to Reply #40 |
48. The odds of death in a fistfight are far lower than the odds of death in a gunfight. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #48 |
89. Civilized people don't fight |
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sergeiAK (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 09:41 AM Response to Reply #36 |
68. So Gulags are the answer? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #68 |
104. Not a Gulag, but gun people routinely prove that they are a hazard to everyone else around them. |
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sergeiAK (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #104 |
127. Sounds like a gulag to me. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #104 |
158. Most gun OWNERS don't present a hazard to you or anyone else |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #158 |
166. Who in the hell is shootin' everybody then? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #166 |
180. Violent criminals |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #104 |
184. You want to quarantine 1/4 of the country, |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:15 AM Response to Reply #36 |
96. Chris Rock has an opinion on gun control. He said don't take the guns away, |
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Bluzmann57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #96 |
119. I posted that one time in another thread |
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idovoodoo (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #36 |
193. That sounds disturbingly similar to the "let's round up the homos and fence 'em in |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #20 |
118. We Have Become a Nation With No Idea How to Cope With Emotions |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #118 |
251. I'm not a psychologist, but something tells me it has to do with how we live |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #20 |
203. Empty, meaningless rhetoric. Things taken as fact without actually thinking about them |
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Snarkturian Clone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
15. I work at a school in philadelphia |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
153. Sounds like the parents are perpetuating the problem from one generation to another |
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Snarkturian Clone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #153 |
237. There are probably many causes. |
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CRF450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 03:09 AM Response to Reply #237 |
297. I saw some girl in a car today with two kids, and rap music blairing through the speakers. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #15 |
270. WOW ... I grew up in Feltonville ... and I think I lived on the same block years ago. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
19. Oh but see, if the kids had had guns... |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:16 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Maybe next time they'll bring hand grenades to their snowball fight. (NT) |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
23. in Florida, he would probably be given the benefit of the doubt |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:25 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. The "a man's snow fort is his castle" doctrine? (NT) |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:27 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Yup. They have a license to kill. nt |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:30 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. License to Murder Frequently Asked Questions... |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 09:19 AM Response to Reply #29 |
59. That site is from the same group of fear mongerin folks who do the "[anti-gun-guys] |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #29 |
130. Nope. I'll cite the actual statute (Chapter 776.012, Florida Statutes). |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #23 |
88. Nope. The standard in Florida is "reasonable belief," i.e. the average mentally sound adult |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #23 |
93. The burden of proof MIGHT be on the state if this happened in Florida |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #93 |
122. Not unless the person shot was breaking into the shooter's home, I think. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #122 |
124. It certainly doesn't apply to someone who leaves the scene safely, and comes back with a gun |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #124 |
128. Yup. (n/t) |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
161. even with snowballs |
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distantearlywarning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
31. What a senseless tragedy! |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
34. This Happened To Someone We Knew |
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bluethruandthru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
54. Our country now has a very violent mindset. |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
61. Savage cleaver murder was carefully planned; killer was 'crazy like a fox' |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
73. Let's see, the guy was probably a "criminal" who bought the gun "illegally". |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 10:32 AM Response to Reply #73 |
78. Statistically that is the most likely scenario |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
86. The kid died. Found it at the bottom of this comment: |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #86 |
91. Belt sanders can be extremely dangerous |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #91 |
102. Not At Long Range Though |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #102 |
105. I guess you aren't familiar with belt-sander racing |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #105 |
107. Well, True. I Wasn't |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
92. Such senselessness. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
100. snowballs don't kill people . . . |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
120. The willful inanity of the pro-gun arguments in this thread makes me want to shoot shit |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #120 |
129. Is Senator Obama guilty of "wilfull inanity" as well? |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #120 |
152. eeeeeewww |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #120 |
171. The biggest problem is not the people with the guns but the people..... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
123. Oh the poor teen, family and friends. That is really sad. nt |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
170. Trolling around on Fark again, are we? |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
181. And here we go. I'll bet the perpetrator didn't have a criminal record, either. . . |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #181 |
187. Are you under the impression that anyone is, or would, defend the guy who did this? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #181 |
308. Thank you for making an empirically testable prediction |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
183. OMG! How horrible! |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #183 |
225. . |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:00 PM Response to Reply #225 |
232. guess I better edit. |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
227. That is just heartbreaking! |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
228. A man doesn't do this to a kid |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
234. Think of the ending to this story had the perp not had a gun and used a rock |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #234 |
236. What if he just stuck a switchblade into the young man's liver? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #236 |
241. one never hears of 5 people killed because a guy was throwing rocks or had a knife |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #241 |
245. Whether one or five killed, it's the loss of control and loss of life that matters |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #245 |
248. Losing 5 lives is worse than losing 1 life, both are horrible |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #248 |
253. Guns are just one instrument of violence among many |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #253 |
257. They would kill as many anyway? Do they do that in England, France, Australia? |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #257 |
269. No, even when guns were as available in those places as here. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
271. Since cartoons are all the rage as of late... |
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Bright Eyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #271 |
292. You're disgusting. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 07:26 AM Response to Reply #292 |
299. Oh Im sure you think so, but lets discuss why... |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #271 |
306. What paper/site was this on? I'm curious. -nt |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
275. Couldn't handle the Gun Forum? Playing tag-team in GD? Such courage. |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #275 |
291. Take It Back To The Gun Dungeon, Brass Boy. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:21 AM Response to Reply #291 |
302. Why do so many liberals hide hate behind prohibition? Embarrassed? |
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Bright Eyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-26-08 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
287. Obviously, it was in self-defense! |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
301. Well, at least I hope the boy's family sues the bastard for anything he's got. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
310. Police Name Suspect In Snowball Fight Slaying |
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