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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:20 AM
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NYT: William F. Buckley has died at the age of 82. MSNBC reporting. nt
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:21 AM
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1. God and Dick at Yale...
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 11:23 AM by PCIntern
Snotty bastard...I remember him for the early 60's.

om edit: I don't grieve - I recall his diatribes aginst anti Vietnam War protestors...all the while he was out sailing on his frigging yacht...his stupid bro was in congress during the Nixon Impeachment.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:34 AM
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11. Hey, I'm no Buckley fan, but. . . .
don't you think we should at least wait until he assumes room temperature before we start trashing the guy (and there's a lot to trash for sure). R.I.P.

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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:43 PM
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36. No....
sorry.
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Happyhippychick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:22 AM
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2. That's sad. And symbolic.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:07 PM
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28. Ok! this f**kin does it
we have actually been invaded, we've turned the corner, mourning the death of a RWer here, damn

never thought I'll see the day.


:puke: :puke: :puke:
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Happyhippychick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:19 PM
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33. Mourning? I sad it was sad. And symbolic. Which it is - the conservative movement is dead.
But I'm certainly not mourning the death of that! :)
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:23 AM
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3. wasn't he called "the father of the conservative moment"?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:24 AM
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4. That moment has apparently passed.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:26 AM
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5. LOLOLOLOL!!!!!
I meant "movement", not "moment" :)

but still :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:30 AM
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7. Russert looks like an owl:
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:40 AM
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14. OMG
that art! :rofl:
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:41 AM
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16. My RW friend named his dog after him..
:rofl:
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El Pinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:28 AM
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6. R.I.P.
I didn't exactly like him, and I hated his political philosophy, but his wit was his saving grace.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:30 AM
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8. The GOP has lost a voice of moderation.
:sarcasm: but not that far off the mark seeing how radical the GOP has become.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:30 AM
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9. Buckley was a complete gentleman compared to the current crop
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 11:31 AM by kwassa
of conservative tv and radio pundits.

Never thought I'd be nostalgic about Bill Buckley.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:32 AM
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10. At least he had a little charm
And actually seemed intelligent, though rather dull.

His nephew, the vile loudmouth Brent Bozell, could have learned a thing or two.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:40 AM
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15. It's sad when you are nostalgic for that kind of supercilious gentility..
as opposed to the hateful trash that is spewed these days.
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Seeking Serenity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:43 AM
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20. It hearkens back to a time when conservatives and liberals
could disagree without being disagreeable.

I lay the blame for our present state of political discourse squarely at the feet of CNN's "Crossfire," and its progeny of political name-calling-and-shouting-match shows.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:51 AM
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26. +1
who thought i'd ever mourn Buckley?

if he was just starting his career today, FoxNews would probably call him "moderate-left"
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:42 AM
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19. I feel the same as you, and the irony is, that I used to think he
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 11:42 AM by OmmmSweetOmmm
was an ultra-Conservative before the current gang co-opted the Conservative movement.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:44 AM
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21. Not so fast.
Don't forget about his infamous fight with Gore Vidal.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:49 AM
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22. ah yes
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:49 AM
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24. "He was way better than Jonah Goldberg." If nothing more, I can at least say that much.
I could actaully tolerate hearing him unlike the wanna-bes of his ilk today.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:37 AM
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12. I used to watch Firing Line
Mr. Buckley would annoy me with his views, but he still was a conservative, not a right wing moron like today's fascists who call themselves conservatives. Firing Line was his show, with his bend. Every time I watched it I felt I learned something. No one can say that about FoxNews and keep a straight face.

Let's face it, Buckley was a brilliant intellect. Mad Magazine once described a liberal as a person "who secretly wishes William F. Buckley were a liberal (and) secretly wishes David Susskind weren't." He had our grudging respect.

Rest in peace, Mr. Buckley.
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El Pinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:41 AM
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17. He was a witty man, but also well-known to be fairly racist...
...other than that, he wasn't all that bad for an old right-wing, toffee-nosed effete.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:14 PM
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30. So did I. I rejected the viewpoint but was entranced by the 'logic'.
Buckley employed weapons ranging from sophistry to satire and sarcasm to propagate his viewpoint. I found myself fascinated by the tactics he employed and regarded 'Firing Line' as required viewing in order to exercise my critical thinking skills. Clearly, Buckley prevailed when his opposition employed fallacious reasoning. Few were as adept at employing such propagandistic tools as ol' Bill. In such instances, he'd puncture the oppostion and then resort to a false dichotomy in claiming 'success.' Fascinating. Far more intelligent than the feces-flingers of today ... but based on the same immoral precepts.


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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:38 AM
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13. I respected his opposition to the insane and counterproductive Drug War
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 11:50 AM by eShirl
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:41 AM
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18. Goodbye Mister FBuckley








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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:49 AM
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23. Well, shit. I liked him a lot in my conservative phase.
Vaya con dios, Bill.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:51 AM
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25. I'm sorry for his family
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 11:55 AM by GoneOffShore
R.I.P.

Here's a good quote from the NYT:

Mr. Buckley’s vocabulary, sparkling with phrases from distant eras and described in newspaper and magazine profiles as sesquipedalian (characterized by the use of long words) became the stuff of legend. Less kind commentators called him “pleonastic” (use of more words than necessary).

And, inescapably, there was that aurora of pure mischief. In 1985, David Remnick, writing in The Washington Post, said, “He has the eyes of a child who has just displayed a horrid use for the microwave oven and the family cat.”

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:04 PM
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27. Addition by subtraction.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:19 PM
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32. The sign of the subtrahend doesn't contradict the operation.
:silly:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:14 PM
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29. Link: William F. Buckley Jr. Is Dead at 82
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/27/business/media/27cnd-buckley.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

William F. Buckley Jr. Is Dead at 82
Sam Falk/The New York Times (1965)

William F. Buckley Jr. in his office at the National Review in 1965.

By DOUGLAS MARTIN
Published: February 27, 2008

William F. Buckley Jr., who marshaled polysyllabic exuberance, famously arched eyebrows and a refined, perspicacious mind to elevate conservatism to the center of American political discourse, died Wednesday at his home in Stamford, Conn.

Mr Buckley, 82, suffered from diabetes and emphysema, his son Christopher said, although the exact cause of death was not immediately known. He was found at his desk in the study of his home, his son said. “He might have been working on a column,” Mr. Buckley said.

Mr. Buckley’s winningly capricious personality, replete with ten-dollar words and a darting tongue writers loved to compare with an anteater’s, hosted one of television’s longest-running programs, “Firing Line,” and founded and shepherded the influential conservative magazine, National Review.

He also found time to write more than 45 books, ranging from sailing odysseys to spy novels to celebrations of his own dashing daily life, and edit five more.

The more than 4.5 million words of his 5,600 biweekly newspaper columns, “On the Right,” would fill 45 more medium-sized books.

more...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/27/business/media/27cnd-buckley.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:17 PM
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31. He was certainly preferrable to the current crop of "conservatives"
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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:20 PM
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34. A Tale of Two Cities
The idle wealthy are better off for his efforts.

The other 97% are not.

What else can be said?
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cseper Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:24 PM
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35. William F. Buckley has died
and he was born wealthy, he lived wealthy and he died wealthy.

'nuff said!
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bighughdiehl Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 02:06 PM
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41. Exactly
Born wealthy, and advocating feudalism in twentieth-century drag. Fuck him, despite his sensible stance on drugs.
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sepulveda Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:22 PM
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37. war on drugs
from the beginning, buckley was strongly against the war on drugs, something neither party's mainstream candidates will even TOUCH.

that is one thing that i will give him props for.

when rightwingers AND leftwingers finally come together on the war on drugs, then maybe we can make progress.

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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:59 PM
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39. agreed 100%
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jackster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:57 PM
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38. granted, Buckley had a lot to rail against,
but after reading him and hating him for years, I've grown a little more mellow about him. He was intelligent, witty, and well loved by many of the liberals he knew and/or battled in print. True he stood for most everything I stand against (however he did have some libertarian leanings with which I could agree and he did become to believe the Iraqi War was wrong), still I will miss him.

I too say RIP William Buckley.
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ordinaryaveragegirl Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 02:00 PM
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40. The modern-day wingnuts make him seem almost genteel...
He was practically a voice of reason, compared to today's warmongering Repugs.

The Conservative Movement is over. It's our moment to step up, and bring back our country. :patriot:
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