School Bans Hugs Over 2 Seconds

[usaftmo]

"MESA, Ariz. -- A school policy banning student hugging prompted dozens of east Valley students to protest with a giant group hug across the street from campus."

http://www.kpho.com/news/15456156/detail.html

:eyes: :crazy: :wtf:

So THAT'S how the school shootings will come to a stop! :sarcasm:

:eyes: :crazy: :wtf:

[izzie]

1. And a good job for some one that can use a stop watch

Will they need one in every room and hall or just how will they work this?

[woo me with science]

63. Assistant principals.

I knew they would find a use for them.

[izzie]

69. I am sure the tax payer will need to build a special hug police

office for these people. I loved it when the local school board built its own building about a mile from the school for the head guy. They used to come around to our school and use the office at the school they were in that day but guess that was not good for the head guy to be so near his teachers and the students. It was of course a lot newer and better than the school building. But the tax payers let them do this. I do not know why I worry about such things. For the last few years I have been looking at the grades in the school I used to go to and almost every one is a A student. It makes me feel shame we were so GD stupid when I went to the same school. How did they ALL get so smart?

[Perry Logan]

2. Does this include group hugs? Those can get complicated.

[Echo In Light]

3. Only in a country as hopelessly brainwashed and generally fucked up as this one

Hugs not guns sounds beneficial on many levels. And if Soccer Mommy and NASCAR Daddy hadn't been raised to be neurotic twits when it comes to dealing with humanity, sexuality and spirituality, they might just understand that.

[geek_sabre]

4. delete nt

[usaftmo]

61. I would hate to think shrub

had something like this in mind when creating "no child left behind".

I'm sure the 2 second rule will be violated in mass quantities during graduation. Too bad a graduate's family can't hug their son/daughter/sibling for longer than 2 seconds.

It's a shame we've come to this...

[geek_sabre]

5. My (progressive private) high school has just enacted a rule like this

Primarily because previously, the "hugs" would usually turn into "groping" and "humping" and other things. Dozens of students (out of a student body of only 120) complained enough that we had to do something about it. Both students and faculty agreed that it was distracting to the school environment, and it has gone up to the student -run discipline board and a student-run supreme court, and both agreed that it should not be tolerated.

[wtmusic]

62. A ban on groping and/or humping aka inappropriate sexual behavior

(at a teacher's discretion) would be the answer, not hugs.

[geek_sabre]

70. Such a "ban" already existed

But it continued to be an issue.

Again, this isn't old farts imposing morals on our students. The students have enacted this policy themselves, and they dole out the punishments. The community as a whole polices it. Its working out very well so far.

[marmar]

6. Just when you think this country can't get any sillier......

.... Now the hallway monitor will become a "hug timer?"

:crazy: :silly: :dunce:

[Echo In Light]

10. The recurring problems are cyclical: silly parents, society and schools perpetuate

The same neurosis over and over again.

[trusty elf]

7. It breaks my heart to see what America is becoming.

[lonestarnot]

8. I thought schools here were too busy teaching the aims test to notice anything else.

:banghead:

[Snarkturian Clone]

9. Must be a pretty nice school

if the biggest problem they have is hugging. They should come work at my school for a week.

[YvonneCa]

11. The problem here is that the headline...

...is not the core of the story. Typical media...write a headline to stir controversy, rather than tell the real story.

The story not being told is about discipline in public schools. Whether it is a high school (like here) or an elementary school, or a kindergarten class. Schools have to deal with discipline problems EVERY day. They make rules to assist with that. Some rules are ridiculous and some sound silly, but are an attempt (sometimes misguided) to solve a bigger problem.

No one is against hugs. And I'd bet, no one wants to 'time' hugs with a stopwatch. :) (It reminds me of my high school days when we had to kneel and be sure our skirts touched the floor during the early days of mini-skirts.) :7 That was an attempt to enforce a rule about appropriate dress (in the 60's). Now it seems silly...even to teachers who had to enforce it.

The discipline problem of weapons on campus is more serious. Taking school safety seriously lead to kindergartners being suspended for silly reasons...but there WAS an underlying problem that educators were trying to address...keeping weapons out of schools so ALL kids are safe. Judgment was missing in a few cases.

Now we have timed hugs. :7 The underlying problem is not the hug (I would guess), but the fact that A FEW students have ruined hugs for the many by allowing their hugging to lead to inappropriate public behavior...probably behavior that an adult could be arrested for if they did in public. But we have kids here. So how do we make sure to protect the majority of kids from the out-of-control behavior of a few? Kick them out? No, all children (by law) are entitled to a free, public education in this country. So we make rules to protect the majority. That's what responsible adults/educators do.

The journalist who wrote this story is the problem. Either through ignorance or laziness they DID NOT WRITE to real story. They wrote the 'sensational part' that will attract readers. A true journalist would seek to write truth...not sensation.

[Echo In Light]

13. I don't lend credence to applying band aids to major collective psyche dilemmas

Weapons on campus won't disappear - or lessen - until the society, the public mind, begins to come to grips with the ugly WHYs of the web of deceit we are caught in ... within the corporate consumer culture, its media induced/saturated "reality" {affectations}, its values and priorities. In other words, only when more begin to understand that much of what they've been raised to perceive as "good," and "normal" is actually hand in {hidden} hand with a lot of poison jive that benefits those who would implement draconian measures for our own good.

[YvonneCa]

22. In the meantime...

...how should a responsible adult protect children from these weapons?

[Echo In Light]

28. In the short haul, if my child was routinely subjected to a violent school atmosphere...

I'd remove her from that atmosphere.

[YvonneCa]

35. So would I...

...as a parent. But I am including, in the category of responsible adult, the teachers. What if your responsibility was not to your daughter...but to ALL the children you teach?

[Echo In Light]

37. Can't say for sure since I'm not a teacher, per se, and never aspired to be one

Where are you going with this exactly?

[YvonneCa]

42. As we Democrats generally have a lot ...

...in common, I think it is important that our country solve its problems through dialog. Sometimes the dialog is difficult because we come at the problem from such different perspectives.

Education is a problem in our country. All the presidential candidates are trying to decide how to fix it...but few know much about the real situation in public schools. If they did, they could fix our schools in a minute. In schools, parents and teachers often find themselves in conflict over a problem they both want to fix (like a hug rule :7 ). We're really on the same side.

I think it would help if teachers showed a little empathy for parents...and if parents showed a little empathy for teachers. The only way empathy happens is when we really understand each other's point of view. That's all.

PEACE

[Occulus]

14. That's RIGHT!

Extended hugs are a big of of the disciplinary problems in public schools.

:sarcasm:

"No one is against hugs."

That's why the school banned long ones- because nobody's against them. And up is down and black is white...

Have you ever wondered if there are policies that deserve to be openly disobeyed?

Perhaps these students should consider hugging each other through the period of their state-mandated tests. Hose the school's funding.

The school definitely deserves it, and for as bad as NCLB is, it places a very great deal of power into the students' hands. They can make or break the school if they were to organize and say "no more".

Hugging is not a disciplinary problem. Period.

"A FEW students have ruined hugs for the many..."

Sometimes, I think people here don't even bother to read what they wrote. Are collectively going insane?
Seems so.

[Echo In Light]

16. "Have you ever wondered if there are policies that deserve to be openly disobeyed?"

Yes. Absolutely. I tell my daughter that she'll discover certain rules in life that must be broken.

The hugging thing ... it's a bunch of "do-gooder" yuppies who are neurotic over sex, and from there project it onto their children, who in turn freak out when someone hugs them because it's perceived as a "bad touch," even if there wasn't anything suggestive about it.

[YvonneCa]

20. Did you read what you wrote? n/t

[Occulus]

29. I even read the article

and there was no mention of weapons, disciplinary problems, or anything else you referred to. You projected a more serious situation onto a stupid one, and conflated issues the article doesn't even mention a single time.

This action was in no way related to disciplinary problems or weapons. This was probably brought about by a few jealous kids who can't get a date and don't want to see that anyone else can. While kids making out in the halls shouldn't be acceptable, neither should detention for a hug.

I'm having a hard time believing you're seriously apologizing for/justifying this. There's no justification or "other side of the story" for stupid crap like this.

[YvonneCa]

36. There is if you're a...

...teacher. :7

[Oeditpus Rex]

53. What 'problem' is that?

The only "sensationalism" in this story is the "CBS 5 News investigates" flash, and the reporter isn't responsible for that. There's no "investigation" here — it's a simple two-minute "reax" (reaction) story about an issue that's rather silly to begin with (note the field reporter's smile throughout), but even in that it points out how ridiculous our schools can be with an example of an administration's micro-managing.

Yet, you want to turn it into evidence that "the media" aren't doing their job — that when this station learned of the student protest, a reporter should've been assigned to some kind of special investigation on What's Really Wrong With Our Schools, and it was "ignorance or laziness" that prevented that.

I'd like to see some DUers try their hand at journalism for just one day. They seem so certain that they could do a better job, but they wouldn't last the entire day.

[YvonneCa]

56. If you are a journalist...

...or know someone who is, I apologize if I offended you.

We may disagree about what the story is. You said, "it's a simple two-minute "reax" (reaction) story about an issue that's rather silly to begin with". As a teacher, I see it differently...I see that the reporter did not know enough about schools to look for the underlying story here. And, believe me, there is one.

I did not mean to disrespect the profession of journalism. But to rephrase a sentence: I'd like to see some DUers try their hand at teaching for just one day. I'm sure both jobs are challenging.

[Oeditpus Rex]

59. Let me give you a quick lesson in journalism

Every day, in newsrooms throughout the U.S., editors draw up a news budget, noting who's working on what story and, with newspapers, what page it will go on and often how much space will be allowed for it — as well as the angle it's expected to have. The budget doesn't simply say "Kaputnik — school hug protest," but has some background and detail on who will be interviewed, what questions will be asked, etc.

Reporters turn in the stories they're assigned, unless something big breaks and they're called off them. I don't know what fiction might have promoted the idea of reporters coming to their editors with "Hey, I got a better story!" but it doesn't work that way. They can pitch something else during a story meeting — and it'll be hashed out by the editors and then either approved, turned down or sometimes given to another reporter — but the story you're assigned is the one you turn in.

I grant you, though, that there apparently aren't enough reporters whose antennae go up when they hear key words that should lead them to think, "There's another story here." I've worked with too many who missed something that jumped out at me when all I did was edit the story they turned in. A "nose for news" can't be taught; it's got to be in the blood.

As for teaching, my sister has taught elementary school for 31 years, while my experience is limited to guest-teaching journalism to eighth-graders once a week for six weeks. There's no way in hell I could do it professionally (unless I were teaching journalism at a high school whose administration didn't believe in censorship), and I have a great regard for those who can.

[YvonneCa]

67. Thank you so much...

...for taking the time to respond. I appreciate the lesson on journalism. I learned a lot that I was unaware of. I think I understand now why the story was only about hugs. I reacted as a teacher...25 years. I give both you and your sister a lot of credit for your teaching.

I guess I'd just like to see someone cover the real issues our public schools face. That rarely happens. Lately stories are just about NCLB...but they only scratch the surface. The country faces important decisions related to public education. It is my hope that those who make those decisions will do so with knowledge.

Thanks again for the lesson...and the time it took to share it. :)

[TahitiNut]

12. Well, I ban hugs UNDER 2 seconds.

Less than 2 seconds isn't a hug ... it's a drive-by frisking.

:shrug:

[Voice for Peace]

15. Kids are beautiful.

If a few are causing a problem you take them aside and you talk to them
heart to heart and you give them respect and listen to them and you
allow them to help make a choice in the controversial matter and you
get their agreement.

When kids are respected they want to be cooperative.
When they are constrained, disrespected, controlled, condemned, they
will fight back.

Rules are made to be broken, every healthy kid knows that.
School is not supposed to be a minimum security prison but often
functions that way. Give kids choices and power and they do amazing
things.

[Donnachaidh]

17. there's a big difference between a hug and a vertical humpty-dance

So instead of talking to the PARENTS of the occasional couple doing the "grope and grind" in public, they'll be timing everybody making body contact? That's sure to bring all the kids together with *school spirit*, eh? :sarcasm:

That's totally frigging ridiculous, and total bullshit on the part of the school authorities. THEY don't want to do the work to find and counsel the kids, so they f*ck all of them.

[jazzjunkysue]

19. Have you ever called a parent to tell them their kid is groping a boy in the hallway?

I see the kids necking in the halls every day. I want it to stop. There's so much pressure on kids to act like they're on a sit com, that I think it is appropriate for the school to make a distinction between a friendly hug and foreplay in the hall.

Girls should be protected. They should be able to say, "No way. I'm not getting in trouble for you."

[Echo In Light]

21. Parents have to teach children healthy approach to sexuality, and that TV LIES

[jazzjunkysue]

24. Parents aren't allowed at school. And so they don't know it's happening.

That's why the school has the responsibility.

Or, do you endorse home schooling?

[Echo In Light]

27. I believe in establishing groundwork along the way. Has to be constant

As a parent I don't wash my hands of influence, guidance and responsibility when I drop my daughter off at school.

[YvonneCa]

31. If all parents took that responsibility...

...as you do...then schools would have a much easier task. Unfortunately, all parents do not.

How would you feel if your child sat next to a student who was regularly inappropriate (either in words or actions)? Wouldn't you expect the school to do something to protect your child? I would. Most schools both 1) work with families of the child showing inappropriate behavior, and 2) make rules to protect other children from that same behavior until the problem is solved.

[Echo In Light]

34. We've already been down that road, unfortunately

We're talking simple, common sense here though. Not banning hugs.

The point I was making is that many parents can seem normal - "good" parents" - on the surface of things, in keeping with the cultural flow, yet those good/normal qualities are sometimes beholden to very negative views/beliefs that lead to exalting certain choices/actions that, again, in the corporate world, are promoted as good, but for humanity, serves to further grind life into dust.

[YvonneCa]

41. Common sense...

...what I call judgment...can be lacking with enforcement of some of these rules. That definitely IS a problem.

[Donnachaidh]

50. The SCHOOL needs to keep the parents informed.

And the school needs to root out the bad actors and give them counseling AND get the parents involved.

[LeftyMom]

66. Would that be a problem?

There are quite a few posters on this site who either homeschool their kids or are/were themselves homeschooled.

[wuushew]

39. When does a teenager cease to be a slave of the state?

I don't remember my brain feeling more developed or capable the day after my 18th birthday.

Why is preventing "sluttiness" more important that creating unnecessary obedience to authoritarian power structures?

[jazzjunkysue]

47. Any building with overcrowded classrooms and hallways and cafeterias

requires some amount of minimum behavior requirements if learning is expected to happen.

Teenagers have some freedom at school, but, within prameters. The balance between individual rights and group needs is always hard to navigate.

When the laws say we will educate everyone but the local budget keeps schools teetering on the brink of functionability, something's got to give.

So, when you find a way to fund total freedom in high schools, let us all know.

[Donnachaidh]

48. isn't that supposed to be YOUR job as a teacher?

Girls should be protected. But there are also some very aggressive females and their parents need to be advised as to what is going on. The same with boys. The boys who don't want to play tonsil hockey with little Miss *I wanna be popular so I'll stalk guys until they pay attention* need protection too. They DO exist.

And there is a BIG difference between a hug and mutual groping. You're punishing the good kids as well as the bad with this oversimplification. As a parent I don't want my kid to be punished because of something he didn't do - and the teachers obviously don't want to take on directly. That's just cowardice on an administrational level. The EASY way out.

If you want to hand off the problem to someone - CALL the parents. Your students will RESPECT you more if you show them the respect they deserve when they DON'T do this childish BS.

[YvonneCa]

52. A teacher's job is...

...to insure safety of both boys and girls (all of them, even the ones breaking a rule) so that teaching and learning can take place. But a teacher's actions have to be supported by district and school policies (rules :) ) in order to be fair and consistent.


You said, "If you want to hand off the problem to someone - CALL the parents." Most teachers do this all the time. Only rarely does it make a difference...and that's when the parents and teacher actually hear each other and work together to solve the problem. Unfortunately, calling the parents more often results in 1) a disconnected phone, 2) parents only believing their child's side of the story, 3) promises to act by parent that are never followed through on.

[Donnachaidh]

54. so basically your saying that it's useless to call the parents?

wow, really :wow: It's no surprize then that these fascist *rules* get put into effect. And it's no wonder these kids feel that they can do this sort of thing in school.

Because the very people who are supposed to be teaching them how to respect others AND themselves can't be bothered.

I think, as a parent, I'm going to send thank you gifts to each and everyone of my kid's teachers this week. ALL of them are in contact with me, and we're on first name basis with most. I need to thank them for caring. It seems they are a rare breed.

[YvonneCa]

58. I am NOT saying it is useless...

...to call parents. The first step is always to call parents. And it is not a bother...it's what I do as a teacher. I am also a parent. I would expect to be called if my child had a problem at school.

The students whose parents are available to the school (in good times and in bad) are usually the ones who are successful at school, both academically and socially. I am glad you have good communication with your children's teachers. I have always had that experience, as well, with my children's teachers.


What I am trying to say (and apparently said badly) is that some students do inappropriate things at school...things that reflect poorly on them and sometimes things that are hurtful to other students. A teacher's job is to protect these students, too. And, very often, these kids don't have the family support that you obviously give to your children.

It is nice to thank teachers you know for caring. Most teachers I know care a LOT. Sometimes it can be important to also understand that every school situation, parent-teacher relationship is not exactly like what you experience.

[woo me with science]

64. Um, it's not always the girls who need protecting.

As the mother of teenagers and a close observer of the middle and high school landscapes, I can tell you that the girls are often the instigators and most unrelenting pursuers of such activities.

[Bandit]

18. So a mother can not hug her child for over two seconds?

I suspect some rules were made to be broken..:shrug:

[jazzjunkysue]

26. Right. A principal doesn't know the difference between 2 teenagers and a

parent and their little kid.

This is why I don't bother posting sometimes. These arguements are childish.

[Echo In Light]

30. They likely know the difference between typical teen behavior and...

Sexually frustrated adults who project their hang ups onto children i.e. they're hugging so automatically it's SEXUAL, and since they are personally uncomfortable with sexuality, deem what others do as wrong. Just like common right winger views on homophobia/homosexuality.

[YvonneCa]

33. Speaking of hang-ups...

...

[Echo In Light]

38. Clarify?

[YvonneCa]

43. Sorry...

...I was frustrated. :)

[Occulus]

32. I've heard of principals who would intentionally ignore the difference in favor of the rule.

I've even heard of parents/visitors being chastised for their dress because it breaks the student code.

It's not really so childish a thought, honestly. Some principals really are little Hitlers like that. Hell, I think we've all had a boss like that at one time or another!

[Echo In Light]

40. Positions of authority tend to attract distinct personalities for specific reasons

[YvonneCa]

44. May be some truth...

...to that one. :)

[Occulus]

45. Fun little true story

related to me by a coworker:

last year or the year before, one of my coworkers went on scheduled vacation in late December. Now, one of the rules regarding holiday pay where I work is that you only receive holiday pay if you are also in a pay status (vacation leave, sick leave, administrative leave, etc.) on your scheduled work day immediately before or after the holiday.

One of our supervisors known by all employees to be an arrogant, imperious, know-it-all little prig decided to play "Who Wants to Be an Asshole", and changed the coworker's leave status to "without pay" for a couple hours of the days surrounding the holiday, so he wouldn't receive the holiday pay, despite the vacation time and paid leave being approved much earlier in the year. He did this on a whim, for absolutely no reason at all other than to wave his power stick around, and cost my coworker a couple hundred bucks worth of pay. He also did it knowing it would be reversed, knowing it would result in a grievance filed by the union, etc.

People like this aren't just annoying to deal with, they can be actually, materially harmful to those around them- especially when they're given a measure of power.

[YvonneCa]

46. I agree they are harmful...

...and sadly, that people like that are found in all walks of life...including education.

[Jack 4 Ohio]

49. k&r nt

[Posteritatis]

60. You mistakingly assume principals are sapient these days

I've seen principals declare handshakes to be fighting and punish it accordingly.

Half of them aren't administrators or educators anymore, they're anthropomorphic flowcharts at best.

[Meddle]

23. Well, isn't that just epic...

[LWolf]

25. In our district, it's called "PDA."

"Public displays of affection." Students from elementary age on are taught to respect others' space. The "No PDA" rule kicks in in middle school, when "affection" becomes sexual. Interestingly enough, there is no "PDA" rule in high school; apparently high school students are assumed to be mature enough to manage their interactions without adult interference.

In my school, the "no PDA" rule is very loosely enforced; only when there is excessive "affection" displayed. Most of the examples of excessive physical affection has been between girls. :shrug:

Edited to add:

My female students frequently hug me. "Sideways" hugs that maintain some personal space. My male students substitute a high-five for the hug.

[Maestro]

51. Let's create more rules we can not enforce.

How effin stupid!

[woo me with science]

65. It's the quantification that's silly.

There are obscene 15-second displays, and there are five-minute hugs that are totally benign. Rules like this usurp the ability of teachers and administrators to exercise common sense and judgment. It's just silly.

[blues90]

55. Lets just complete 1984 , that's what this looks like .

[file83]

57. Or THX1138, same idea.

This new rule is bullshit, because there is no difference between a short hug and a long hug.

I've seen people try to legitimize this new rule because "long hugs turn into something else".

Well, then, if a new rule that MADE SENSE were to be made, it would ban that "something else", not the long hug.

With this stupid new rule, that "something else" can still be done, but for only 2 seconds.

So, what the school is saying that dry humping is okay, as long as you only do it for 2 seconds.

The logic demands the conclusion that this rule isn't designed to prevent that "something else", it's designed to condition children into accepting draconian rules which effectively eliminate human contact at a time determined acceptable by authority. This not only cripples the children from learning how to make socially acceptable decisions concerning normal communications of human affection, but it also conditions them to accept ridiculous rules (or 'laws' later in life).

[Xenotime]

68. And to think girls used to give guys handjobs when I went to school.

[Forkboy]

72. Well, most high school guys would only take two seconds anyways.

:D

[usaftmo]

71. Let's see here...

Stealing the election...check
Having the VP currently own stock in a company & awards that company no bid contracts...check
Fails to address warnings about 9/11...check
Flushes the economy down the toilet...check
Makes it harder to people to file bankruptcy...check
Gives multiple tax breaks to the mega-wealthy...check
Lowest Presidential approval rating ever...check
Allowing the price of gas to double while in office...check
Allowing school students to hug longer than 2 seconds...whoa...that's not acceptable!

:rant:

[YvonneCa]

73. Now, that is ...

...pretty funny. :7 But now I see a pattern...in all these listed 'crimes' , the federal government is the responsible party that you think is doing something wrong..right?

[usaftmo]

74. Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner!

The lady from the Golden State! I must confess I let my disdain for the right-wing extremists enter the thread. Not the most relevant thing, but hey...I created the thread!
:hi:

[YvonneCa]

75. Well, thank you so much, but...

...what is your alternative? The federal government delegates the responsibility for schools to the individual states. It asserts some control through funding...Title I, NCLB, etc....which mandates certain actions by schools and districts if they want federal funding.

So states set policies (within federal requirements like NCLB) and tell districts how to implement them.

Individual schools and districts are subject to all of this. AND...a big AND...they deal with the students every day (the ones entitled to a free, public education, regardless of race, religion, creed, ability, behavior, etc.).


So they set rules...not all of them well thought out (2 second hug rule is ridiculous IMHO). But the intent is to educate ALL students. Even the ones whose parents get upset because another student was sexually inappropriate with their daughter (or son). Even the ones whose parents get upset because their daughter or son was caught being sexually inappropriate. Even the ones whose parents know (or think) their child would never be inappropriate in any way, sexually or otherwise. Even the ones whose parents support them to organize a community protest because their child told them, and they believe, this is just about hugs.

Some think the alternative is to privatize schools. (Private schools can kick out students who don't follow rules...public schools can't do that.) What do you think is the alternative?

[usaftmo]

76. Now my brain hurts!

My alternative is to discuss such a knee-jerk reaction to a situation. Apparently there was a problem (groping, sexual harrassment, grinding, etc.), and the school officials knew something needed to be done about this.

Their intent in with merit and worthy of praise; unfortunately they got off-track somewhere and that's what led them to this 2 second rule.

Minors will do inappropriate things; that's beyond question. Hopefully parents and school officials can instill a sense of right vs wrong, so they realize what is acceptable and what's not. A rare occurrence of mischief requiring a slap on the wrist is something that will happen eventually...let's make sure the students realize minor vs potentially very harmful/hurtful conduct.

It's certainly not a quick-fix.

I just re-read your last message and my brain still hurts!
:blush:

[YvonneCa]

77. Imagine how I (and other teachers) feel...

...working in that situation for 25 years! :7 Sorry...didn't mean to make your brain hurt. :hug:


This is a good goal: "...let's make sure the students realize minor vs potentially very harmful/hurtful conduct."


I think all adults have that responsibility to all children. Great thread! :)