What's your opinion of Lou Dobbs?

[SayWhatYo]

I know he's more of a conservative, but isn't he fairly critical of the Bush administration?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. racist shithead.

[SayWhatYo]

11. I heard a few people claim he was racist.

However, the few times in which I viewed his show I didn't hear anything racist... Although, I only watched it a few times, and that was typically in short sessions.

What does he say/believe that is racist?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

Oh, he goes on about how Mexicans spread disease...

He goes on at length about how two people who shot a Mexican should get pardoned.

[oldtimecanuk]

23. I don't know what Lou Dobbs show that you saw that on... But I ..

have watched most of them in the last six years and I sure as hell have never heard him say that..... Sure hope you don't mind if I Email him your post to verify that he said that?

ww

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

25. Go ahead.

Because either you're not really watching him, or you're just pretending he's not a racist.

I suspect the latter.

[tsuki]

58. Xenophobic maybe, but racist? Anyway, he is a Republic,

conservative.

[WiseButAngrySara]

65. He is neither a Republican nor a Democrat. A self-described

Populist (aka Libertarian?) and he is not racist! He is pro-American. And I think pro-Union at this point in historical events. He hates corporate monopolies and he despises the B* misadministration.

[UTUSN]

71. Father COUGHLIN, Sean HANNITY, O'LOOFAH, (does not fit: ) LIMBOsevic

*******QUOTE*******
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=589

Broken Record
Lou Dobbs' daily 'Broken Borders' CNN segment has focused on immigration for years.

But there's one issue Dobbs just won't take on.

By Heidi Beirich and Mark Potok

.... For more than two years now, Dobbs has served up a populist approach to immigration on nightly segments of his newscast entitled "Broken Borders." He has relentlessly covered the issue, although hardly from a traditional news perspective -- Dobbs favors clamping down on illegal immigration, and his "reporting" never fails to make that clear. He has covered the same issues, and the same anti-immigration leaders, time after time after time. In recent months, Dobbs has run countless upbeat reports on the "citizen border patrols" that have sprung up around the country since last April's Minuteman Project, a paramilitary effort to seal the Arizona border.

But there's one thing Lou Dobbs won't do. No matter what others report about the movement, Dobbs has failed to present mounting and persistent evidence of anti-Hispanic racism in anti-immigration groups and citizen border patrols. ....

********UNQUOTE**********

[WiseButAngrySara]

74. Oh please, how do you present "evidence of anti-Hispanic

racism" when everyone at the borders in question are Hispanic? If you had whites, blacks and hispanics illegally crossing the borders and only hispanics were targeted, you would have a logical case for "anti-Hispanic racism"... I'm more than certain racism exists in these anti-immigration groups and citizen border patrols, but there is also fury at the burden these people are bringing upon us.

Mexico is to blame for this problem. Not the US taxpayers. IT IS MEXICO'S PROBLEM! And I also hold the CATHOLIC CHURCH responsible to some extent for prohibiting birth control. When God said "Go out and multiply and Replenish the earth" surely he/she didn't mean to overpopulate it to the extent that the land would become fallow and people would starve to death. The population in Mexico and India is way out of control, and greedy corporists take advantage of the abundant cheap labor, but the middle class does suffer as a consequence. Lou Dobbs is acutely aware of this dilemna.

[UTUSN]

85. Whoa!!1 Wait till Fuhrer Benedict hears what you said!!1

1- The link is from the Southern Poverty Law Center, an outfit that knows hate speech when it hears it.

2- Did you know that the U.S. border policies for Mexico and Canada are very very different? (meaning there is a race component.)

3- Phrases like "these people," "prohibiting birth control," what-God-means (fer gudness' sake)... Things that make me go hmmmmm.

4- Despite your acknowledgment of the racism in the "anti-immigration" groups, ALL of your views will be found totally compatible with what their members believe.

5- Blaming the external foe instead of looking INWARD (along with outward) for ROOT causes is a wingnut approach. Libs tend to look INWARD. The U.S. has pursued WRONG-HEADED policies in many different topics forever: "War on drugs" instead of rehabilitating/educating U.S. consumers; manufacturing/selling arms then being aghast that WARS result from the arms sales; being OBTUSE to all other cultures, etc. And BUILDING BORDER FENCES fits very nicely here.

6- When talking points, recited like rote, are used, it's a sure sign personal reflection is not in play.

Now watch: I predict:: A wild-ass FLAMING PERSONAL ATTACK!!1

[tsuki]

86. I look at it this way. Lou Dobbs mouths the good fight. He is pro-

middle class, pro-working class, anti-illegal immigration, etc. But when it comes to the populous leaders of the people, he will go on a tirade about Kerry, Pelosi, Murtha, Edwards, etc. FOR DAYS, even after the swiftboating lies have been exposed.

As one of my brothers in the sixties explained to me. It is not the unapologetic racist that I fear, it is the racist that hides his racism with word of reason.

Lou Dobbs does just that. I do not trust Lou Dobbs. He is a multimillionaire that hides his contempt for the working class with words of reasonableness.

[WiseButAngrySara]

68. Repulsive lie. ....n/t

[Mend]

2. racist shithead

[WiseButAngrySara]

66. Repulsive lie. ....n/t

[rug]

3. racist shithead

[WiseButAngrySara]

67. Repulsive lie. ....n/t

[R_M]

4. Traditional conservative. He hates this bunch of neo-cons..

but he also hates Democrats, if not more so.

[AlCzervik]

5. Low.

[oldtimecanuk]

6. Lou Dobbs may have some issues that some don't like, but you...

gotta give him credit for sticking with something that he sees as unjust; ie: The two border guards, Illegal aliens in this country, The open ports not secured, and many other stories. Lou states that he is neither a Republican nor Democrat, but rather an Independant..... He has said things that piss me off for sure, and I certainly didn't find his basis for his view on a particular subject. But he better to have out there than not IMO.

ww

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. Sure.

He really sticks to his guns. Like Hitler and his "kill all jews" platform.

:eyes:

[w8liftinglady]

9. I disagree with a lot of what he says,but he favors unions and supports troop withdrawal-

[oldtimecanuk]

15. He also fights for middle class America so how bad can that...

be? If we had people in both the House and Senate that would do this on a large scale we would be 300 % better than we are now.

ww

[w8liftinglady]

19. I agree.He's not Olbermann,but a lot of what he says makes sense

[spanone]

7. Seems to dislike non-americans and democrats.

[oldtimecanuk]

10. That works for me, whats the problem with it? eom

[oldtimecanuk]

12. Opps, my response was to the apost above yours not the hating of Democrats post... just to clarify,

before someone flames me on that!

ww

[spanone]

44. why, I oughta. no problem.

:hi:

[hansberrym]

13. He really knows how to piss off the Neocons.

Seems all they can do in respoonse is racebait.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. RW racist with a "respectable" facade.

The modern equivalent of the "White Citizens Council" types of the Civil Rights era.

[Mend]

16. he wouldn't complain if there was an open border with Sweden

and we got all those blue-eyed blond Protestants.

[oldtimecanuk]

20. I don't know if Lou is a racist or not, but I guess my question to all..

is, as an American citizen no mater what your ethnicity is, are you happy that we have somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 millions illegal aliens in this country? This situation is totally unacceptable I think. Now many are going to say well if they are sent back home they will be required to live in poverty, and I say to that... Gang up and go after the Government who is causing this problem in the first place.

ww

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

22. As an American...

I think I'd have to be pretty hypocritical to have a problem sharing my country with twelve million immigrants.

[oldtimecanuk]

26. You have your opinion, but I would venture to say that many millions...

of Americans would disagree with you, if you are saying that you don't mind sharing it with illegal aliens! Especially the legal Hispanic and others that have had to go thru the proper channels to become citizens of this country. As I stated, if the Mexicans are having major problems at home due to poor treatment of middle class citizens, then a Revolution is certainly in order in that country. It's time to put the onus on who is responsible for the problem, and it is not the Lou Dobb's of the world.

ww

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

27. Really?

Because this whole "illegal immigrants" thing turned out to be a big election year flop.

So I suspect most Americans don't really give a shit.

That said, there've been times when "most Americans" were supported other racist policies, so I don't mind if they disagree with me here too.

"It's time to put the onus on who is responsible for the problem, and it is not the Lou Dobb's of the world."

All in all, I'd rather share the country with 12 million illegal immigrants, than racists like Lou Dobbs.

[oldtimecanuk]

31. What are you talking about... The election had absolutely nothing...

to do with the Southern border! It was about the war in Iraq, and the constant lies of the Bush Administration.... Why in hell would any country in the world want an open border with non citizens crossing it at will? This just does not make any sense to me what so ever. And I am not a racist, and not even an American citizen... I am a visiting legal alien, and I respect that. I also know that I am allowed to be in the US 6 months less a day at any time and certainly not allowed to work here without the appropriate visa's...... As a matter of fact, I am not allowed to do anything work related, even on my own property down here if one wants to get legally technical....

ww

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

32. Oh, puhlease.

Republicans did everything they could to turn immigration into the next big "gay marriage" wedge issue, hoping to cater to every racist in the country.

[judaspriestess]

38. here is a perfect example

all illegals are Mexican?? other LEGAL HISPANICS are not Mexican? stereotype

on edit: in response to post 26

[Quantess]

48. You're right.

Most people in the U.S. don't approve of illegal immigration. Some people feel more strongly than others, some don't care about it too much, but if you asked, most people would express disapproval of illegal immigration.

[eagler]

49. I am willing to bet that most Democrats support him.

I do.I think he's honest and right on target.

[WiseButAngrySara]

69. Count me in on that. Honest he is. ....n/t

[Rhiannon12866]

88. Good post and I agree with you.

If Mexico were given aid and pressured to give its citizens a decent life, they wouldn't attempt to emigrate to the US. We could go much farther in solving the problem of illegal immigration...

As for Lou Dobbs, my issue is not illegal immigration, though I don't support it, either, since it leads to terrible abuses of human beings, but he is also against the Iraq war and has been very critical of Bush*, so I think he's made some valid points. And he's also a friend of Randi Rhodes. :-)

[americanstranger]

17. Fear-mongering asshat.

Just as worthless as every other blow-dried airhead working for CNN.

- as

[bunkerbuster1]

84. Pat Buchanan - Holocaust denial = Lou Dobbs

both are racist creeps.

[KharmaTrain]

18. He Speaks For "The Street"

Wall Street that is. Lou's a tool of the "old guard" conservatives...the wealthy East Coast oligarchy that was long ago sold out by the Repugnican party. They just didn't realize it until recent years as their profits and stock prices took a hit. He speaks for "old money" that feels threatened by the younger, new money that doesn't rely on Wall Street or getting its financing from the Goldman-Sachs' and thus aren't controlled. It shows in the ways Lou covers issues and his stridency.

While I see the illegal immigration issue as a stalking horse for racism and xenophobia, Lou's big deal is the loss of money his beloved Wall Street loses when jobs are outsourced or the new money skirts the markets and banks...cutting them out of the profits.

His criticism of the boooosh regime rarely involves issues of economic or social justice...he seems to wish for a return to the 80s and 90s when his beloved Wall Street held all the money and power.

[Crandor]

51. Outsourcing means MORE money for Wall Street.

Outsourcing and illegal aliens push down wages, which is bad for workers but good for the business owners.

[KharmaTrain]

55. Not The Old Guard Economy

It sure doesn't help GM or Hormel or General Electric or National Fruit or a myriad of companies that thought they had control over the world economy. Now they are being undecut and outproduced around the world and the flow of the capital is moving away from Wall Street. Illegals hired by their competitors are eating at their profits and market share. They fought against labor for decades thinking they would forever control the gold and depleated both our labor force and now the middle class. Lou and his ilk don't like the upstarts in the economy and the companies that are profiting from the cheap labor. It's Walmart vs. Wall Street here...as many of our biggest banks and the wheeler dealers on Wall Street are getting cut out as the real money action moves to China & the Euro and the "global economy" leaves the old guard and the old dollar behind.

[TahitiNut]

21. I agree with him about 80% of the time.

He tends to be a 'moderate Republican' in the sense of the Eisenhower era, I believe. Beyond that, I couldn't care less about him personally - I'm far more interested in WHAT than WHO.

I get tired of the increasing 'attack the messenger' obsession on DU. Even the so-called issue-oriented discussions become personal, losing the last shreds of rational and principle-based interactions.

[eagler]

52. if there's one issue that will divide and conquer Democrats- it's immigration

It's already starting. Lou Dobbs talks about a war on the middle class. he echoes the sentiments of many. It makes absolutely no sense to be exporting jobs and at the same time to be bringing in excess workers- except if the goal is to even out wages world wide. GLOBALISM!

[TahitiNut]

63. Well, as an independent liberal the 'division' of either party ...

... is not at the top of my list of concerns. Those (on both 'sides') more interested in 'scorched' earth' politics than in principle seem to be the first to abandon civility and honesty. When the issue involves 'illegal aliens' (the legal terminology) and partisan hacks constantly morph that language to say 'immigrants,' I smell something noxious. When a principled position is characterized as 'racist,' I smell something noxious.

The American "ownership society" has been treating human beings as commodities for a long, long time - that's exactly what the slave trade did. It's also at the heart of the objectification of women and children*, the exploitation of minority groups, and the treatment of human labor. Human beings as replaceable parts in some machine - "body, female, 36x24x26, one each" - "laborer, male, strong but stupid, one each" - "soldier, male, hetero, E3, one each." There's no room for love, dreams, aspirations, - or the pursuit of happiness - in the capitalist catalogs and political calculus of flesh-peddling.


* Anyone who doesn't think children are objectified should pay closer attention to the political rhetoric, tax policies, nanny stateism, and the Toys'R'Us Happy Meal culture - just for a start. Do it "for the children." As our culture is infantilized, pedophiles abound.

[LSK]

24. Repug trying to distance himself from his party

But still a Repug.

[rock]

28. As Gag Halfunt would say

"He's just this guy, you know". Ah, such penetrating analysis.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

29. I think he's an opportunist who's found a niche somewhere between left and right

I'm very cynical about talking heads in the media and I also remember how Dobbs treated Wesley Clark in 2003, officially declaring him persona non grata on his show while Clark was campaigning and virtually calling Clark a hypocrite and turncoat to the Republican Party.

I think Lou searched for a way to separate himself from the other hosts and is milking his populist anti-beltway audience for all it's worth. But you know, it doesn't really matter whether he's true to a cause or not, as long as he continues to level some of the blistering criticism of ChimpCo that he has recently done. When people get tired of his position, Dobbs will switch to something else.

[NNN0LHI]

30. Racist shithead n/t

[Beelzebud]

33. Self serving asshole with racist tendancies.

[oldtimecanuk]

34. Let me say this to those that are talking about illegal aliens being ok...

I am a Canadian, and we have the exact same problem in Canada... Ours is not related to Hispanic people, but East Indian, Pakistani, Sri Lankin, etc.... We probably have in the neighborhood of a couple million illegals in the country. In my view this is wrong, these people come from countries that do not pay appropriate wages to there employee's, and why should another country be expected to put up with this and have there wages go down because of it? The other as severe problem is for those that have jumped thru the hoops to obtain citizenship legally... It's just wrong IMO...

This to me has nothing what so ever to do with being racist.....

ww

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. So...

which aboriginal nation are your ancestors from?

[William Bloode]

35. I'll give Lou some credit.

While i know his view often differ from mine widely. I can respect the fact he was one of the first conservativesa to speak out against shrubby & co. While many others cowered in fear, and towed the line, he did not.

[helderheid]

37. Libertarian. I can agree with him on some things because of that but he is a racist

[AndyA]

39. Lou has not been kind to the Bush Administration.

I know he's a conservative, but I suspect he views himself as something different than the current crop of religious zealots that masquerade around as the GOP.

As far as being a racist, I've never heard him say anything racist. If people are calling him a racist because he is all over the illegal immigrant issue, that's a bit far fetched. Illegal immigrants aren't all necessarily from Mexico, although that is what they seem to be focusing on.

I think illegal immigrants are starting off on the wrong foot. They break the law to come into the country, and then they feel they have the right to stay? Why? Because they got away with it for so long? Because they produced offspring?

The laws should be changed to make it easier to become a citizen if it's that difficult/expensive/time consuming. But just because it's difficult/expensive/time consuming does not give someone justification for sneaking into our country illegally.

[oldtimecanuk]

40. The only problem I have with this....

"The laws should be changed to make it easier to become a citizen if it's that difficult/expensive/time consuming. But just because it's difficult/expensive/time consuming does not give someone justification for sneaking into our country illegally."

What does that say to the legal persons that went the extra mile to do things in a legal manner to become a US citizen? It just says that hey, if you wear them down they will change things and make it easier.... I don't know, I would be seriously pissed if I were one of those that did things right.

ww

[AndyA]

42. That feeling is based on what a friend from Poland went through.

She said it took years and cost her a ton of money to become a U.S. citizen. She thinks they should streamline the process and make it more affordable for people who want to become citizens legally. She doesn't want others to have to go through what she did.

I don't necessarily think they should loosen any restrictions, but I'm sure there must be ways to make the process quicker, and lessen the cost.

She does not think it's right for illegal immigrants to expect special treatment just because they "made it in." And she says if they really loved America and respected the country, they would have not started off by breaking the law, but would have gone through the process as she did.

And I've heard some pretty awful stories from her, so she didn't have it any better than anyone else.

[hansberrym]

41. If you agree with Lou Dobbs, you probably are a racist. In fact ...

If you want to control the US borders - you are a racist!

If you want to preserve the USA -thats right! you are a RACIST PIG!

If you want to keep the USA independent - you are a RACIST SCUMBAG!



Don't Like NAFTA? You are a racist!

Belong to a union and don't care to have your wages depressed? - tough shit racist!

Don't like the SPP - you are a racist !

Don't want a North American Union -you are really a racist !

[Disturbed]

43. Dobbs is correct about a lot of issues.

Outsourcing, Insourcing, Re-location of Mfg. A War On the Middle Class, Illegal Immigration, Ports. He has never said anything approching racism. Those that call him a racist are wrong. I don't agree with him about a Pardon for the Immigration Officers. They should be in prison. Their sentence was too harsh. Five years would have been more appropriate.

[americanstranger]

45. Wrong on some, too.

Two words: Able Danger.

He really bought into Rightard hysteria on that one.

- as

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

46. If...

you think immigration issues are about "preserving the USA" then you're probably a racist.

Preserving the USA? Sheesh, might as well be talking about preserving our pure Aryan blood.

Yikes.

[hansberrym]

80. If... you're a Neocon and you know it -clap your hands !.

Clap your hands!

Why can't the neocons just come right out and say that they want to merge the US, Canada, and Mexico into a regional government? Because that would not work.


So what's the Neocon Game Plan?


Call anyone who opposes them racists -oooh boy those neocons are nasty.

[eagler]

54. I hate to tell ya- but Kucinich supports dumping NAFTA

so are you calling him a racist. there is absolutely nothing racist about wanting to protect jobs and controlling (not preventing)immigration.

[WiseButAngrySara]

72. Wasn't his post sarcasm? I think he/she should have

used the :sarcasm: symbol/sign?

[hansberrym]

76. Yes, it surely was. I didn't think a sarcasm sign was necessary .

All the neocons have is the slur of racist for anyone who makes any effort to
question the SPP, or NAFTA, or FTAA, or any of the other globalist schemes to undermine the US.

They can not make a case as to why the average worker should support this type of legislation, so they try to paint the opposition as racists.

[WiseButAngrySara]

78. It's not just the neocons who bandy about the term racist! ..n/t

[hansberrym]

81. Your absolutely right.

I was poking fun at the outlandish use of the term racist by the promoters of NAFTA, SPP, and such. My point is that we can't let the multi-nationals have their way because a few neocon supporters are engaging in name calling.

[eagler]

82. I'm sorry

[symbolman]

47. I've always said

that if you cut Lou Dobbs open, thousands of little Lou Dobbs would fall out, like candy from a Pinata :)

If anyone fell in love with that FATHEAD it would be a Vicious Triangle..

I can't wait for his next report, "TONIGHT: They're making SHOES out of the Middle Class, and what you can DO about it."

He thinks since he can say Middle Class that he's got the heart and soul of America behind his Pompous ass. If you see him on any other show besides his gloryfest, he comes off as a complete idiot.

He wouldn't even make a decent dog :)

[librechik]

50. Which day is it?

he switches from Fine American to Shameless Poseur to Evil Lying Corporatist on a dime.

[flyarm]

53. no he cherry picks criticism of *...he is a con artist!! eom

[leftofthedial]

56. RW nutjob

who happens occasionally to find the bush cabal insufficiently racist and right wing

[Lilith Velkor]

57. A racist piece of shit who happens to dislike Bush. n/t

[talkinghead]

59. Racist and protectionist. Scarred of immigrants and free trade.

[Elwood P Dowd]

70. NAFTA is not free trade

In fact, none of our recent trade deals are free trade.

[talkinghead]

77. In a way you are right.

The best policy is complete trade liberalization. No barriers, tariffs, quotas, anti-dumping laws, or subsidies. Allow individual consumers to buy from any supplier they want and allow producers to sell anywhere they want. This also includes an immigration policy that allows more immigrants to come here legally.

[Odin2005]

60. I don't see how Dobbs is a racist.

I am opposed to illegal immigration because it leads to a race to the bottom for wages in manual labor jobs. How is THAT racist? :eyes:

I think people are seeing nefarious motives that Dobbs doesn't really have.

[talkinghead]

64. I think he is against immigration in general

His solution for fixing immigration is probably more border security but this too promotes inhumane conditions. The best method for the economy and for the immigrants is to allow more immigrants to come here legally.

[napi21]

61. I watch Lou every night, and I've never heard him say anything

racist. Sure there have been some issues where I've disagreed with him, but if I agreed with ANYONE 100% OF THE TIME, I'd consider myself an IDIOT!

[OhioChick]

62. I Agree With Lou Much of the Time. n/t

[Marie26]

73. Hate, hate, hate, hate Lou Dobbs. nt

[ncteechur]

75. depends on which way the wind blows-whether he is critical or loving of the BFEE

[WiseButAngrySara]

79. You haven't been listening for the past year or so then. ..n/t

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

83. scum, whore, rasist, douche bag

did I miss anything?

[ret5hd]

87. Racist shithead

[Warren DeMontague]

89. He has a very shiny head.

A very, VERY shiny head.

[B Calm]

90. He goes to work in a chauffeured limousine.. eom

[lectrobyte]

91. a thousand words, or one picture.