When did "Slapp the Bitch" and "She/He are Pimping" become REAL TALK?

[KoKo]

What does this mean for civil discourse? What does this mean about how we talk to each other?


:shrug:

[skooooo]

1. never, as far as I'm concerned.

[bobbolink]

2. When women started saying "I'm not a feminist...."

:(

[msongs]

3. "pimp" from french "pimper", meaning to dress up elegantly. nt

[MaryCeleste]

24. wouldn't that be primping?

[Warpy]

4. It means some kids have some hard lessons coming

about what is appropriate workplace discourse and what is not.

You'll hear that hideous language in their everyday speech, though. Thank the gangsta rappers for that one.

[Teaser]

7. I'll bet you're wrong

In fact, I'll bet that in 15 years, this language will be workplace appropriate.

You can't beat demographics. You can only slow it down.

[Captain Angry]

11. I see professors who use the term pimp.

In international business, when talking about World Trade Centers around the world host forums. They have businesses apply for foreign direct investment, and it's referred to as pimping themselves out.

[Warpy]

18. Very little 60s slang made it into the workplace

Demographics aside, the workplace remains a bastion of correct and polite English.

Use the generationally appropriate language in the bars.

[Teaser]

22. I work in academic science

and in the lab, anything goes pretty much, as long as it isn't harassment. We can get pretty weird. Business, I'm sure, is another matter. But note the comment right above yours, how "pimp" is already leaking into business talk. I think informality will only increase as generations X and Y move into workplace dominance.

[Winterblues]

36. Most sixties slang was not filled with disrespect

It isn't the vulgarity that is objectionable, even though it is as well, it is the total lack of respect..

[superkia]

10. Its not everyone though, I grew up in and around it all of my life...

and it didn't affect me at all, I am a white collar manager( nothing special) and have no problem being courteous to others or speaking properly to people. It all comes down to parenting.

Not all poor folks from the ghetto are bad people, there are many great parents that do better with their children than allot of wealthier parents do. My mother is one of those great people and I admire her for her strength tell her so almost daily. I also know plenty of others that went through the same tough times we did that have also made success' of themselves and are great people.

[superkia]

5. Depends on where you live, I would say it became acceptable...

in 88 or 89. That was when it became mainstream in some of the music. I can remember back then, our city paper had a full front page story on the group N.W.A. and other music groups like them and the paper was outraged. Too us as teenagers it was hilarious that the paper had no clue about the language that was used on a daily basis in the neighborhoods and schools. We assumed everyone was subject to the same things that we were, we didn't realize back then that there were two Americas, we just thought we had less money to buy things and everything else was the same. Boy were we wrong.

I think anyone that grew up poor or in poverty lived around it for awhile and those who were more fortunate and lived in nicer areas weren't aware of the reality of it until much later. Same thing goes for the violence, crime and drug activity that most didn't know about. Some people get to live in the bubble while others live on the outside, its allot different outside the bubble.

[bobbolink]

14. "That was when it became mainstream in some of the music."

And hate against women and verbal violence against women was heard on the airwaves, and was accepted.

And the levels of violence against women went up.

You really think this is a good thing?

[superkia]

16. No not at all, I was answering the OP. What made you accuse me...

of thinking this was a good thing?

[bobbolink]

28. Did you see an accusation? I was asking. I couldn't tell from your "tone".

[superkia]

32. Oh ok, I in no way think these are good things! Sorry about the...

confusion then. I thought when you replied and asked me in particular, that you were implying that I did. No biggie!

I just thought that the people back then being outraged, as if it was something new, because they lived inside of their bubble was funny. It showed to me as a youngster that they didn't know anything or even care to know about these issues that less fortunate people deal with on a daily basis. It only seemed to cause outrage when it made it to the mainstream and affected their children and family but before that, never would have known or cared because those less fortunate peoples situations meant nothing to those that were now outraged.

The core issue itself is not funny in any way!

[bobbolink]

33. Very sadly, I have been appalled at what some DUers think is fine and acceptable,

so I asked. (Mostly because I don't care to interact with those who think that sort of thing is acceptable!)

It's very sad to me, as you were saying, that we have become so un-empathetic that we can't feel for others unless/until we have walked in their shoes. That is the mark of a sociopathic society!

As Michael Moore said in "SICKO", "Who ARE we??"

:cry:

[KoKo]

17. But...we were told it was legitimate "expression" by "musical artists" to vocalize

"what they were seeing in their communities." We were told it was the "new wave of musical expression' to counter the "la..la of the 80's, 70's and 60's Music...which had become "Stale" to a new "Urban/Hip Audience."

I'm all for freedom of expression...until someone wants to "SLAPP MY FACE" or tell me I'm "PIMP OR WHORE." :eyes:

[bobbolink]

27. As we've seen on DU, "freedom of expression" today means "I can be as rude and ugly as I choose"

"and you can't stop me, neener, neener, neener".

There was a time when "freedom of speech pretty much meant the right to hold different opinions, and speak against the powers that be.

NOW... it means verbal assault.

I have many friends who are a lot older than me, and they're ALL saying, "I'm glad I'm at the end of my life. I wouldn't want to have to live in this world with people being this mean."

Now, THAT'S sad... but we've become such a sociopathic society, that people think it's FUNNY, that old people feel that sad about this society.

:cry:

[raccoon]

31. I'm not old, but decidedly middle-aged, and I often have thought similar to your friends. nt

[bobbolink]

34. That's just sad.

:cry:

I'm sorry for all of us that this nation has come to this.

The problem isn't all political.... we've become more sociopathic than not.

:cry:

[SteppingRazor]

40. There's two sides to that, though.

First off, people have been told -- as you said -- that they're free to say whatever they want, regardless of consequences.

But there's another side -- those potential consequences are damned near nonexistent. We've been taught to back down from confrontation -- that somehow these people will "get what's coming to them" in some cosmic, karmic sense, and so people mouth off as much as they want without any negative reinforcement to teach them that they can't talk to people that way.

Hilarious article on this phenomenon in Esquire a couple months back:
http://www.esquire.com/features/man-at-his-best/punching1207

[bobbolink]

41. "those potential consequences are damned near nonexistent"

Sadly, you're quite right.

Good point.

:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

[SteppingRazor]

38. Eh, I do think there's some truth to that.

When Johnny Cash sang "Delia's Gone," was he advocating tying up and shooting your girlfriend?

When Neil Young sang "Down by the River," was he advocating executing your significant other by the riverside?

When Bruce Springsteen sang "Nebraska," was he glorifying killing sprees?

[KoKo]

15. Good post...kind of explains some of it...thanks for sharing that......

it kind of goes back to what John Edwards tried to point out about "Two Americas." I'm thinking that John should have said "Three Americas" with what I'm seeing out there. :shrug:

[comradebillyboy]

6. Its all part of the audacity of hope

when you have the vision thing, all that matters is faith in your vision and for those who don't share the faith........

[Teaser]

8. how exceptionally stupid.

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[bobthedrummer]

9. Some top money ho's in da house...I guess that's why KoKo01

they are pimped by Republicans of course, but Mack doesn't care.

[KoKo]

13. ..........follow the money.

yes...I get what you say....:-(

[KoKo]

12. I feel we've turned back the clock to some ugly time of McCarthyism...

and for you youngie DU'ers just do Google on Senator Joe McCarthy and then do a Google for "Women's Movement of the 70's" and you'll get some good "WIKI" stuff.

It's dreadful how we speak to each other..or how we avoid REAL DIALOG in these Bush Years....:-(

[Mind_your_head]

19. uhm, it's not real talk in my neck-o-the-woods (thankfully)

and I really don't know what you're talking about. Is this from some SUPPOSEDLY "popular song" perhaps? :shrug:

[KoKo]

20. one part was from a Dem Candidates spokesperson on MSNBC tonight...

that's what creeped me out. :-(

[Mind_your_head]

21. Really? Who?/Wha???

That would just be utterly unacceptable!

(I've got 16 pages of my homework to type tonight, but I'll check back.)

[KoKo]

23. Obama Spokesperson on Matthews "Hardball" tonight

Said Obama needs to "slapp Hillary up more."

Then the other was from Shuster's comment about Chelsea "pimping" for her parents. But, there are other examples creeping in to the MSM meda in the Political Shows..where agressive and sexist slang is being used as if it means nothing.

[Javaman]

25. When record companies deemed it acceptable slang to sell CD's. nt

[El Pinko]

26. They're not. That's neanderthal talk

And I think you mean, "bitch-slap"...


People who talk like this are obviously not concerned about being seen as ignorant miscreant louts.

[aikoaiko]

29. about 10 years ago.

but look on the bright side.... the Snoop talk fad fizzled fastizzle

eta: I should say it hit middle America about 10 years ago

circa 1999

[Mz Pip]

30. High school

I worked in a high school for years and it was truly apalling what passed for discourse among some of the students. THe word 'pimping' no longer just refers to prostitution. It also means putting on a good show for your peers. And 'gay' no longer just means homosexual, it means weak or lame.

I sometimes think that language is not evolving but devolving. Ugh.

[Subdivisions]

35. Coloquial slang? n/t

[blues90]

37. I will never use these terms , ever !

Hell I don't like the short hand composed of acronyms used on the internet . I would rather not go brain dead and take short cuts .

If the language continues to change then there will always be a generation gap and a break down in communication .

[raccoon]

39. What gets me is the way a lot of people nowadays seem to think being an aggressive asshole

is being "assertive," or is being "feisty" and "sticking up for yourself." :puke:

I have a near relative like that. We are estranged.

It's possible to be assertive without being an asshole.