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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 06:36 AM
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Hail Bush letter in local paper- real or satire?
I think I wrote the one this person is responding to about why should we trust Bush when he's been so wrong on everything regarding Iraq? Is this letter below real, or satire? Sometimes, it's hard to tell these days. Hail Bush seems too like Heil Hitler.

Hail Bush
A liberal wrote into Speak Out asking the hateful question about why we should trust Bush. He is the commander in chief! That is why. It is not for us to question our leader. With your questions, you are not only questioning our leader, but you are also going against a Founding Father, for it was Thomas Jefferson who called those who dissent during wartime, “the most insidious of traitors.” Your hatred of America is not surprising given your treacherous words and thoughts. It must pain you liberals that when history is written about George W. Bush, he will be regarded as one of the great leaders in world history. Bush will stand above the likes of the greats from Lincoln and Churchill to Julius Caesar and Alexander while those who doubted Bush will ridiculed, if they are even remembered at all. I proudly give thanks that George W. Bush is our president and look forward to the day when everybody says “Hail Bush” each morning like me

http://remindernewspapers.com

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VTMechEngr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 06:41 AM
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1. satire.
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NinetySix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 06:42 AM
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2. Unintentional self-parody?
Edited on Tue Feb-27-07 06:45 AM by NinetySix
Edit to remark that the phrase "the most insidious of traitors" was actually used by George H. W. Bush to characterize those who would reveal the identity of American intelligence agents.

Like a few members of the current admiistration we might mention....
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 06:43 AM
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3. I'm pretty sure
It was George H.W. Bush who had the line about the most insidious of traitors, but maybe he was borrowing it from Jefferson?
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 07:23 AM
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11. sure reads as 'sincere' unintentional self-parody... n/t
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 06:44 AM
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4. Sieg heil. n/t
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 06:46 AM
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5. Counter with this
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

Theodore Roosevelt (the REPUBLICAN Roosevelt)
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mazzarro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 06:55 AM
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6. High school freeper rant - IMO -- n/t
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 06:56 AM
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7. Talk radio has turned its listeners into unintentional
stooges of self parody. Consider the co-worker, we all have one, who proclaims Bush a "good Christian man" while also countering the death toll in Iraq as inconsequential "a drop in the bucket." Every generation gets their "Hail Bush" (or whoever) crowd. We have ours.
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 07:01 AM
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8. I'd say satire
But it is interesting that satire and reality are so close these days.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 07:15 AM
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9. Saw Something Similar on Usenet
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From: spew@splat.yom (NeffJew)
Subject: Bush, a Wonderful President!!
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Bush, a wonderful president
I read through this group and saw a lot of Bush bashing! Must be a lot of
liberals around here! I have always thought that George Bush is a great
president. After terrorists murdered over 3000 people 0n 911 Bush took action.
He went to war against terrorism. He annihilated the Taliban. The Taliban was
an evil society that supported terrorism. Bush eliminated Saddam Hussein and
his bloodthirsty regime. Something must be done about evil societies who only
want to achieve our death. Those in the Middle East who worship the cult of
Islam think that the USA is a country of infidels. They think we are "The
Great Satan". The people of the Middle East protest whenever something they
don't like happens. Where were the protests after 911? I did see some dancing
in the streets of Palestine that day.
I read a thread a while ago that said "Bush is all about killing". I don't
understand how people can be so naïve. Something must be done about terrorism.
The liberal's way is just to talk. Diplomacy! That does not work with people
that are brainwashed with a hate filled religion. We must defend ourselves.
If you liberals had it your way our forces would withdraw from Iraq. The evil
of the Islamic religion would grasp the region once again and we would be
right back where we were in the beginning. All the deaths of our brave
soldiers would be in vane!
We need to install a democracy in Iraq. I hope our forces stay there until
it's accomplished. If there were a free country in the center of the Middle
East, freedom would most likely spread because freedom is something that all
people want.
The "anti war" and "anti Bush" liberals seen to be on the terrorist's side! If
this is true, would you people please move to the Middle East so you can be
with the lunatics you love so much?
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 09:18 AM
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23. Guess that person hasn't seen any of the screaming headlines that the Taliban
is back!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 07:18 AM
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10. Bush is Commander in Chief of the
Army not citizens. Please tell the writer.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 07:37 AM
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12. There are people who don't care about democracy....
As long as gay people can't get married and everybody has to pray really hard, they're happy.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 07:50 AM
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13. Got to be satire
not even the worst of the kool-aid drinkers are that bad, at least I don't think they are.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 08:52 AM
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19. I've met plenty who think Bush's big problem
Is that he is not conservative enough, and not confrontational enough with Congress.

And, remember, we have prominent Republics like Ann Coulter who have called for killing Islamic leaders and forcibly converting the masses to Christianity, and Pat Robertson who has called for the killing of Hugo Chavez.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 07:58 AM
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14. homeland? hail bush? this doesnt connect for these people?
Edited on Tue Feb-27-07 07:58 AM by seabeyond
i live in the very red panhandle of texas and have been around people too much the last week. all 30% of bush supporters live right here. i cannot hardly stand their lack of logic, reality and reason
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 08:22 AM
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15. it sounds like a response from Dennis Byrne, op-ed columnist at the chicago tribune
are remindernewspapers a division of the tribune company?
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 08:23 AM
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16. Sounds like a Fox "News" viewer. No surprise. Probably prays to Falwell every morning, too.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 08:24 AM
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17. I'd have said "satire" BUT for the Jefferson quote. That kind of ruins any joke.
Edited on Tue Feb-27-07 08:24 AM by WinkyDink
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 09:03 AM
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20. I don't think Jefferson said that
But, my googling skills are not all that great...
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 09:35 AM
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26. google "most insidious of traitors" and you'll find it was Bush's dad talking
about the leaker of the Plame identity.


I couldn't find any quotes from Jefferson that came remotely close.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 09:38 AM
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27. That doesn't mean the writer knows what you now know.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 09:40 AM
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29. I thought that too, but the Hail Bush made all the other tragic ironies in the letter
so deliciously funny that I couldn't help but think the writer must have been in on the joke.
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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 08:39 AM
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18. What about dissention in the ranks of the opposition,
would one call them “most insidious of traitors” if they joined our side because in there conscience (sense of right and wrong) mind, knew that there leader was a psychopath with no conscience and who’s motives were based on lies and deception. Using faith and a flag to rally support for evil deeds that actually line pockets of his psychopath friends, while leaving a wake of death, destruction and unmanageable despair…

If I believed this was satire, in jest, I would not be concerned, but I am concerned as are many others. When Stephen Colbert said, “The Bush administration was not like the Titanic, it was like the Hindenburg.” Was that real or satire, or both?

Hitler also had blind followers and believers, and still does!
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 09:05 AM
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21. I'm afraid it almost sounds sincere


and I always wonder why this "Do not criticize our leader" crap wasn't an issue for these geeks when Clinton was Prez.

All of a sudden, the office is sacred? Ha!
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 09:33 AM
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25. I remember a letter a few years back
Was about how Bill Clinton disgraced our whole country in front of the world when he dropped his pants in the Oval Office...

My response did not get printed, but it was about how the whole world was snickering at us that Republicans got so worked up over a politician cheating on his wife, when many of these same Republicans were doing the same as Clinton, or worse.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 09:16 AM
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22. We'll never know
Unless you can point us to some other LTEs this person's written, it could be a parody, or it could be genuine. To me, that last sentence would point to parody; even the craziest Bush supporters I know/have known here in this blood-red state wouldn't go quite that far.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 09:30 AM
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24. Considering he's using words from GHW Bush as Thomas Jefferson's
Edited on Tue Feb-27-07 09:34 AM by izzybeans
(Words herbert walker used to describe a white house leaker, ironically enough.

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=most+insidious+of+traitors&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 )

I'm thinking this is satire. The sign off of "Heil Bush!" gives it away.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 09:39 AM
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28. It says "Hail", which is significantly NOT "Heil".
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 09:45 AM
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wow. dupe
Edited on Tue Feb-27-07 09:45 AM by izzybeans
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 09:45 AM
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double dupe
Edited on Tue Feb-27-07 09:46 AM by izzybeans
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 09:45 AM
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31. triple dupe
Edited on Tue Feb-27-07 09:46 AM by izzybeans
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 09:45 AM
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32. So is Heil not Hail, or is Sieg translated as Hail? One of them means victory and the other means
hail. I don't speak German.

The love of authoritarianism expressed in this letter certainly seems significantly the same.
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 09:43 AM
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30. If it were not for the "Hail Bush" I would be unsure
but I think that gives it away as satire.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 01:21 PM
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35. as the Jesus Camp
don't they teach the children to break down & cry when they see Bush?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 01:30 PM
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39. Same goes for me
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 10:13 AM
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33. Ok, I've just wasted an hour trying to find the T. Jefferson quote from this guy's LTTE.
Here's the closest I can locate:

"I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors."
- George H.W. Bush

I just don't think Thomas Jefferson, a 'traitor' in the eyes of the British, would have come down on dissent. Can anybody find this quote?
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 10:22 AM
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34. Probably heard it on RW talk radio
Rush, Savage, Beck, some local guy, who knows?

Unless it is satirical. But, these days, it is hard to tell:

Just over 6 years ago:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28784

and, almost 2 years ago:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30931
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Efilroft Sul Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 01:24 PM
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36. Parody. All the words are spelled correctly.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 01:28 PM
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38. LOL
It could be they were edited to be spelled properly?
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Efilroft Sul Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 01:33 PM
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40. Say, where's Bob Boudelang been lately?
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 01:28 PM
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37. Sincere, sadly
Mindlessly quoting Bush & thinking it's from Thomas Jefferson - that's a freeper.
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 02:28 PM
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41. satire
Hail Bush,
Full of Grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among men,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy testicles, Jenna Christ.

Holy Bush,
Father of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of death.
Amen.

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