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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 03:14 PM
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Where No Fantasy Novel Has Gone Before
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 03:24 PM by Mythsaje
As some people here might have heard, I've been off work for the past several weeks because of issues with my neck and back. I'm still trying to deal with them. Had injections in my spine to reduce swelling and even now waiting for them to have an effect. I'm scheduled to go back to work after this coming Friday.

Ugh. It's going to be very difficult all the way around if these treatments don't work. The more I use my left arm, the more I hurt. The more I hurt, the less I want to be around people, particularly in a work setting.

It's going to be a challenge, that's for sure.

But during the time I've been off, I've been working on a new novel. I finished it twenty minutes or so ago. This is a record for me. From start to finish it took barely five weeks to write. If that. And yet, for all its speed, I think it's the best book I've ever written. It's so much different than not only anything I've ever read, but also anything I've created in the past.

As with all of my projects, it combines elements of both fantasy and science fiction, and draws its inception from my overreaching Infinity Project.


This novel, currently entitled "Legacy," tells the story of Rune, the child of the vampire Raven, one of my favorite characters, and his wife, Val. Rune's existence is more or less miraculous in the first place, since vampires can't breed as normal humans and his mother, being an immortal, is almost completely infertile except in very specific circumstances.

Rune comes about thanks to the intercession of Raven's best friend, the Lord Immortal ArchAngel, the most powerful being in the sidereal dimension of Starhaven.

Despite the power of his parents, at thirteen Rune is performing at far below his potential in both magic and psionic disciplines. He's adept enough at his other studies, but the metaphysical or mystical side of things seems to leave him grasping for success he cannot achieve.

Worried, his parents send him to study in a place where their approach to magic is completely different than the culture of his birth.

It is there that he is contacted by something he has reason to believe is the very spirit of magic itself, a consciousness that people have theorized might exist, but have never been able to verify. Under its influence, he returns home, tells his parents he's leaving, and leaps to the past in a parallel or "variant" Earth, appearing in all places at the Monterey Pop Festival.

Rune has, up until now, been a mediocre student of history, and much of what happened on Earth before the great migration to Starhaven by the immortals and many of the paranormal and preternatural beings that hailed from their version of Earth remains a mystery to him. Before the Cen War that changed their Earth--"Earth Prime," as they call it--the history of the world held no fascination.

But the magic has a plan for him and he's drawn into it whether he likes it or not. He is confronted with some facts about the human race he doesn't like at all, introduced in a way to racism and sexism that shocks him to his egalitarian core.

Because of the relationship between him and the entity that supposedly embodies magic, he is able to do things no other mage has ever been able to do without intense study. He can make things that seem impossible happen without even trying, though it's debatable whether it's him or the magic doing it.

Led by a hippie girl he meets at Monterey, he leaps forward in time to hear one of Martin Luther King JR's speeches and just happens to be in the right place at the right time to prevent his death, though the man is paralyzed from the waist down.

Afterwards, they are confronted by two men who claim to be FBI agents investigating the shooting, but are subsequently identified as 'time agents' sent from the future to prevent interference in history. Not that this has any affect on what the magic has planned for him. It guides him into his next leap and he and his companion, along with a strange cat that appears to act as a kind of mentor, into the future once again.

The year is 1983, and this small company is introduced to a young man with a seemingly impossible dream. Dane Campbell is barely out of his teens, an orphan living in a blue collar community, a white kid who idolizes Martin Luther King and believes that the world could be a better place if people would just learn to consider how their actions affect the people around them.

The two alleged 'time agents' appear on the scene and try to kill Dane this time, and only through swift action does Rune and Daphne manage to prevent his death. It is here that they begin to detect a personal element to what the two agents are doing. Dane Campbell is very important for some reason, and whatever their vendetta is against him, the two agents are bound and determine to get him out of their way.

Guided by the magic once again, Rune gives Dane and his circle of friends and followers the ability to work magic themselves, but is prompted to warn them against trying to use it to gain social or political influence, somehow knowing it would destroy everything Dane is trying to build.

They then jump forward in time once more, to the year 2008. The world is in chaos. The economy is teetering, a war is being fought that should not have ever happened, and it seems that many of those in positions of power are being replaced by androids. Curiosity and the magic lead Rune to a secret sub-basement of the White House, where he finds the President and First Lady being held captive while his job is being performed by a remarkably inept android.

With the older Dane's help, they free the President and Rune takes him to his home on Starhaven, into the future. In the time between when they met him and the time they returned, Dane has become a well-known "self-help" guru who insists that what he does isn't about "SELF-Help" at all, but about helping everyone.

Dane is in the middle of carrying out a very personal campaign against an organization known as the Monarch Corporation, and their investigation leads the bunch of them to the conclusion that Monarch is somehow behind not only the android replacements, but many of the things going wrong in the world. After working fast to prevent the replacement of either of the possible Democratic candidates for the Presidential nomination, the group gathers and tries to put together a plan for putting an end to the conspiracy once and for all.

Recruiting the help of not only his father, but the greatest mage-engineer on Starhaven, Rune and his rag-tag team launch an assault on the Monarch Complex with the President of the United States along for the ride. What they discover in the very bowels of the Monarch Complex leads them into one of the most astonishing revelations in history. All the chaos and madness that Monarch had bred seemed to have a specific purpose, and beneath its shimmering tower are held secrets that could forever alter the future of the human race. For better or for worse.

Together, a thirteen year old boy, a hippie girl, a vampire, a mage-engineer, a recovered alcoholic would-be mage-physician, a self-help guru, and a not-so thoughtful man who would have been President but never had the chance, not to mention a cat apparently channeling the very spirit of magic, and a smart but more or less ordinary dog, are left to negotiate the destiny of this universe's branch of humanity.

The stakes? The imminent collapse of human civilization. Death, destruction, starvation, disease, and possible extinction. The price? Beyond imagining.



I couldn't believe how this novel unfolded as I was writing it. The social and political aspects seemed to spell themselves out in a way I'd never encountered before in my work. I knew the messages I was trying to relate, and I really believed in the characters. We could have used someone like Dane Campbell in this world. Maybe if we'd have had him, things would be different now.

The next step is to compile the chapters into a whole and send it over to my wife for editing. Then I'm going agent shopping. It's going to be the first work I'm trying to take directly to the big houses, and I hope I can find an agent with a progressive enough world-view that he or she can see it for what it is.

I'm excited about finishing this book, and wanted to share this much with the people here before some of the excitement wore off and doubts set in. This novel is something different and part of me fears that it'll be TOO different for the market to bear. On the other hand, it could surprise me and become something more than just another piece of speculative fiction.

Wish me luck.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 03:17 PM
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1. Luck!
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dhill926 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 03:53 PM
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2. good luck....
my cousin's significant other writes in the same genre, and is also trying to get published.
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 04:38 PM
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3. Hats off, Mythsaje!
And really, best of luck in getting published.
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Arkham House Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 05:02 PM
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4. sounds a bit Zelaznyish...
...and very cool...I love stories that combine fantasy worlds with our "real" world--and have notes for one I'm going to write myself someday...:eyes: best of luck, and let us know its progress...
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:42 PM
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5. Zelazny is probably the only author I've ever been compared
to on any level. Mostly I get stuff like "it doesn't remind me of anyone's stuff." But I can see the comparison.

Quite complimentary, really.

Urban fantasy is actually a very popular sub-genre right now, probably because epic and high fantasy is pretty much played out until someone stumbles upon a unique idea in a sub-genre that's become flat and stale.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:48 AM
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14. Speaking of Zelazny and his fellow New Wavers and New Worlds-ers,
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 03:49 AM by Progs Rock
the problem with current epic fantasy is the glut of bloated Tolkienesque copy of a copies; getting back to the lean and mean S&S 60's and 70's stuff of Zelazny, Moorcock, et al (including the older greats like Leiber), but with a contemporary twist, is what EF needs.

Good luck on your book.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:14 PM
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17. I agree, more or less.
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 01:26 PM by Mythsaje
I think "High" fantasy is more or less played out. What you're talking about is the epic "Low" fantasy stuff. No Ultimate Evil, Dark Lord, blah blah blah, but human (or inhuman) evil, and the struggle every being goes through to determine its place on the spectrum between light and darkness.

On edit: I like some of that old Sword and Sorcery stuff too--not a big fan of Moorcock, but did like Leiber and am a huge fan of Zelazny. Like Saberhagen's fantasy too.

If you venture into my universe, you'll probably see a little of that sort of stuff, but I take it all in what I like to believe are new directions. I mean, futuristic fantasy? Swords and Starships?

Each of my books is a little different. The first series, Infinity: Earth, starts out as urban fantasy with a bit of mythology thrown in. By the fourth and (so far) final book in the series, it becomes quite a bit darker. There's a bit of grit all the way through, but it isn't until "Lady of Blades" that it takes on a sandpaper quality. Jasmine Tashae is very close to being an anti-hero...but not quite. She simply has very clear ideas on how things should be and refuses to compromise on certain things.

And a lot of my characters have more than a little darkness inside of them.

I can explain it all day but you really have to read them to really know what I mean.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:51 PM
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20. I hope that epic fantasy/s&s isn't played out yet
Since that's what my current project is. The cycles of the publishing industry are impossible to predict.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:22 PM
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22. Oh, you're right about the publishing industry
But, then again, I'm not necessarily talking about the publishing industry as much as I'm talking about a holistic view of it all. I'm sure there's going to be a place for epic fantasy for years to come, but the question is whether it's going to be anything significantly different from everything else already out there.

The real problem as I see it is "high" epic fantasy, the kind written by Tolkein and carried on by so many others since. THIS is what I see as having been "played out," at least in terms of new story ideas and ways to approach those concepts that form the foundation of the sub-genre.

There's simply only so many ways you can do the "dark lord" and the "intrepid band of heroes facing impossible odds" scenario. Egads, it's been done to death. Tolkein, Eddings, Feist, Jordan, Goodkind, Brooks, Weiss and Hickman, McKiernan, etc... Not to say I don't like a lot of this stuff, but eventually all people are doing is rehashing old ideas and not bringing anything new into the literature.

"Low" epic fantasy is actually still wide open from what I can tell. People struggling against little evils, whether in themselves or in others. Even powerful evil gods are "little" evils compared to Sauron or Jordan's Shaitan. There are some great works of low fantasy out there. Glen Cook, Elizabeth Moon, George Martin, Lois McMaster Bujold, Mercedes Lackey (though I've found that her work varies a LOT as far as quality goes, IMO), and several others.

Epic fantasy isn't dead, but High epic fantasy is sleepwalking. At least, it makes ME feel like I'm sleepwalking.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 07:27 AM
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24. I think it's a common problem
There's a big success (Tolkien, initially, in this country), and then there's a flood of imitators, some perhaps inventive and original but more and more repetitive, and inevitably the readers burn out on it.

Of course, my epic fantasy will be different and original and will inspire a whole new cycle of imitators!
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:24 PM
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25. Well, good luck in that endeavor.
We could use a new voice.

Of course, I'm still waiting to spawn a whole new generation of imitators myself.

:D

Give it time.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:32 PM
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6. Congrats on finishing... and good luck!
Let us know when (yes, when) it hits the shelves....
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:40 PM
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7. Bravo!
:applause:
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:53 PM
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8. sounds like my kinda book...
luck
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:23 AM
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9. Free proofreading services!
:bounce:
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:26 AM
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10. ROFL
I got a wife for that. LOL.

I do, however, appreciate the offer. You have no idea how tempting it is simply because I LOVE sharing my stuff. Probably more than I should. People are supposed to PAY me to read it and I just keep trying to forget that.

LOL
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:33 AM
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11. Good luck to you. n/t
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mojowork_n Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:27 AM
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12. You *almost* lost me, right at the start.
I have no interest in vampires. Not a bit. So I almost faded out at the start, but now I have to say it sounds like it could be a really good story. Great job of summarizing the plot. Reminds me a little bit of Walter Mosley's "Futureland," which is a collection of related short stories, but also a dystopia. "In a mirror, darkly," I wrote elsewhere.

Good luck with the neck, back and left arm, and getting back to work.

Wishing you lots of luck with the book distribution.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:12 AM
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13. This is GREAT!! and may i ask..
have you ever read any Richard Bach?

I know many writers write about writing; but I was just reading one of his books the other day when he described the best writing as just flowing through his character quickly, as if the book just wrote itself. Of course, that was the book that made the character famous and was loved universally. Odds are, I bet the same will be true for you.

I look foreword to purchasing this book soon, and to the fact that I will be helping a fellow traveler when he needs it the most.

I like the fact that you give the president the benefit of trying to be 'good' as well as 'evil'. For recognizing that there is that bit of light even in the worst of us.

Good luck! Please keep us posted.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:12 PM
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16. Richard Bach?
You mean the author of "Jonathan Livingston Seagull," or "Illusions?"

:)

Yeah, actually, I have. Love his work. That I've read, anyway. I probably read JLS when I was about five or six, and then a few times since then. I believe I have a copy floating around the house somewhere.

When I first introduce the President, I really wasn't sure what I was going to do with him. He wasn't responsible for the worst things that had happened, but he wasn't exactly a "good" man either. But once he'd been introduced to the larger world outside of this one, he was on a path to somewhere else and I had to recognize that.

I actually use the theme of redemption a lot in my work. As I wrote in a recent blog, I don't believe in absolute darkness or evil, so redemption is always within everyone's reach.

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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:29 PM
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21. The book I am reading by him
is a compliation of his latest works, "The Ferret Cronicles".
You might find it interesting, it has a small bit of space travel and such in it.
Of course, it may not be up your alley...
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:24 PM
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23. I don't know. I'm not sure I HAVE an alley.
In terms of writing, yes, but not in reading. I read so many different genres and sub-genres that I might be reading sci-fi one day and romantic suspense the next.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 07:39 AM
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15. Keep us udated...?
Could you keep us updated on this, maybe?

To be honest, I haven't read fantasy or science-fiction in twenty years, and maybe it's time to juice up that part of my imagination again-- and what would be better a better re-start than reading a novel written by someone I'm titularly acquainted with...?

Good luck!
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:18 PM
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18. I'll definitely do that.
Since this particular novel isn't quite close to publishing--probably won't hit until at least 2010, I'd guess, even if it IS already written, might I suggest you pick up a copy of "Tales from the Magitech Lounge?"

http://www.samhainpublishing.com/books/tales-from-the-magitech-lounge

It's not "Legacy," but I truly believe it's the best book I've written so far. A fun ride, if nothing else.

:)
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:25 PM
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19. I'll actually do that.
I'll actually do that. Thanks for the head's up!
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