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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 04:58 PM
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The Spitzer story -- Something doesn't add up
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/11/51123/3435/851/474082

The New York Times this morning has a story about the origins of the Spitzer investigation that, at least to me, simply doesn't make sense. Apparently, the investigation didn't start with some big organized crime investigation that happened upon a prostitution ring, and that happened to lead to Spitzer. Supposedly, it began with an investigation of money movements by Spitzer that led, to the complete suprise of the investigators, to a prostitution ring. Except that the explanation in the story simply doesn't make sense.

Here's the version in the story:

In the Hauppauge offices of the Internal Revenue Service, investigators conducting a routine examination of suspicious financial transactions reported to them by banks found several unusual movements of cash involving the governor of New York, several officials said.

The investigators working out of the three-story office building, which faces Veterans Highway, typically review such reports, the officials said. But this was not typical: transactions by a governor who appeared to be trying to conceal the source, destination or purpose of the movement of thousands of dollars in cash, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The money ended up in the bank accounts of what appeared to be shell companies, corporations that essentially had no real business.

The transactions, officials said, suggested possible financial crimes — maybe bribery, political corruption, or something inappropriate involving campaign finance. Prostitution, they said, was the furthest thing from the minds of the investigators.

What's wrong with this version of the story? At least one thing seems to be glaringly wrong: This wasn't money moving INTO Spitzer's accounts, as it would be if the crimes involved were bribery, political corruption, or "something inappropriate involving campaign finance." This was cash moving OUT of Spitzer's accounts -- based on everything we've heard, from his personal accounts.

When somebody is moving large amounts of cash OUT of their personal accounts, I suppose it's possible that they're bribing somebody else or something, although if they're already a Governor, that doesn't seem very likely. What it suggests is precisely what happened here: That they're spending money on something for which they don't want a paper trail, perhaps because they don't want their spouse to know about it. And while some of those things may be illegal (prostitution, gambling, drugs), by no means all of them are (supporting a mistress, indulging a taste for clothes or wine that is more expensive than one's spouse thinks is appropriate, etc.).

The other thing that seems odd is that these were apparently CASH TRANSACTIONS, which are extraordinarily difficult to trace. And yet somehow, investigators supposedly knew that this money:

ended up in the bank accounts of what appeared to be shell companies, corporations that essentially had no real business.

How, pray tell, did the investigators know that without FIRST getting wiretap or other evidence showing where it was going? Presumably, the front businesses for this prostitution ring were combining Spitzer's cash with cash from other customers, so the amounts wouldn't even be the same. But even if the amounts WERE the same, with the large number of cash businesses in the New York area, it strains credulity to think they could match the amounts up and tell with any degree of certainty at all where his money was going.

And there's one more thing:


Is it really possible that the Attorney General of the United States approved an investigation of a sitting state Governor, based on no more than the fact that the Governor was withdrawing unusually large amounts of cash from his personal accounts? If there's more than that, it's not apparent from anything in the article, or anything in the Complaint (to the pdf of which there is a link in this article:

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/10/spitzer/

I make no excuses whatseover for Spitzer, who engaged in monumentally risky and stupid (not to mention hypocritical) behavior, but what bothers me even more than his behavior is that major investigations are being undertaken based on no more than the fact that a public figure is using somewhat larger than normal amounts of cash -- and that seems to have been almost the only possible basis for the investigation of Spitzer in this case. Because frankly, that suggests a return to the bad old days where one of the major activities of the FBI was gathering dirt on every politician in Washington (not to mention civil rights leaders and others who had somehow run afoul of J. Edgar Hoover), which was then used to intimidate them politically. And that's much more disturbing to me than Elliot Spitzer's tawdry, and apparently very expensive, personal life.

UPDATE: Another thing that bothers me about this, and bothers me greatly as a former DOJ lawyer, is that it would appear that somebody associated with federal law enforcement revealed to the press that "Client 9" was Elliott Spitzer, and that would seem in itself to be a serious violation of ethics, if not a criminal violation if it was grand jury information. Somehow, I doubt that there will be the kind of concerted investigation into who leaked this information that there was into where Spitzer was spending the cash that he was withdrawing, and that also disturbs me. Anybody who leaks confidential information from a criminal investigation should at a minimum be fired, and if it's grand jury information, they should be prosecuted.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 05:02 PM
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1. How he was busted really stinks. And the stench is in the DoJ.
But, the hubris of Spitzer brought it on himself.
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BadgerLaw2010 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 05:03 PM
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2. Bank transactions have been monitored since the early 80's.
Attempts at transfering $10,000+ in chunks that are less than $10,000 have been around almost as long.
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 05:10 PM
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3. Don't you have to ask yourself who benefits from
outing Spitzer? Aren't we always told to "follow the money"? Who "wins"?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 05:25 PM
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4. I think Spitzer should fight it on Constitutional grounds....
not just the spying, but the right of consenting adults to do what they want to, in private, whether money changes hands or not. He should declare war on this filthy police state system, wasting trillions of dollars putting people in jail who have harmed no one. Prostitution should be legalized.

He'd get my vote (if I was a New Yorker--or if he ran for Prez). I have exactly ZERO concern about what Spitzer and consenting adults did in private. It is none of my business. And none of the Dept. of Justice's business.

This fascist snooping and playing "gotcha" blackmail with our political reps HAS GOT TO STOP. It is destroying our country. End it, Elliot! Say it's wrong! Fight it! What have you got to lose? I know you were part of this police state system--so you know it well. Expose it! Help us end it!
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 05:27 PM
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5. Sigh...again, amounts that are going in and out, or even through banks
are reported, if they are suspicious enough. Banks do this daily. And, if it was reported on an SAR, which is the case involving amounts of less than $10,000, then it was investigated by the Feds. It's what they do, regardless of the administration.
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YankmeCrankme Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 05:50 PM
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8. Sigh, I wonder how many times $10,000 or more is moved
in and out of Bill Gates' bank accounts DAILY. Multiple that by, oh say 100,000 other people a day, and you have millions of transactions they'd have to investigate daily. Now, if they already have a subject they're investigating looking into the banking transactions becomes much simpler. Ergo, most likely they were targeting this subject to begin with.

If they were this vigilant on a random basis they'd be spending almost all their time investigating much bigger corporate tax fraud, as those entities move way more money to hide in off shore tax havens than $5,000 transactions from individuals.

Funny, but I don't hear much about that on a daily basis.

As been said before, he can be guilty of using a prostitute and be a political target.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 05:54 PM
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10. And I am sure it is reported. It has to be, over 10,000, by law.
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 05:54 PM by MrsGrumpy
I had to fill out a CTR on my husband's estate. Bank Secrecy Act. When it is less than $10,000 and is suspicious, an SAR is filed. We hear about this one, and not other's on a daily basis, because this one involved a crime. I well known exec had them filed by a bank I may or may not have worked at all the time. He was a Republican by the way.
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wallwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 05:37 PM
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6. Nice try, but...
He needs to resign. He was in hotel rooms with hookers. There is no amount of excuse-making that will make that go away. This is exactly why when you ride the high horse of ethics in your attack on others, you have to make sure that you yourself are squeaky clean. Did they catch him through shifty, unfair, potentially illegal means? Maybe, but too bad. They caught him.

Stick a fork in him. He's done.
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Thepricebreaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 05:43 PM
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7. He is finished.... He needs to go... We all need to stop the spin - its not working.. its over ..
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 05:50 PM
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9. Do we know how the money was transferred?
If Spitzer was writing personal checks or using his visa card, that's pretty dumb. If he was withdrawing cash and passing it by hand, how is that traced? Are all gubernatorial personal expenditures monitored by the feds? Who ordered this and who's looking at it? There are some pretty basic questions begging for answers.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 05:56 PM
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11. It "sounds" like wire transfers. If he withdrew the money it was reported
by the bank as suspicious on the date/dates he withdrew it. It is really very simple if you look up the Bank Secrecy Act of 1970.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:09 PM
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12. That's another thing that bothers me about it--how could anybody in a position
such as his--and with a lot of smarts, from all reports--be that dumb? Why not withdraw the cash, and PAY cash? But leaving a trail of traceable, suspicious looking transactions?...it boggles the mind how anybody with half a brain could do that, KNOWING the Bushites are spying on EVERYBODY.

Spitzer apologized "to his family," etc., the other day--or else I would said this the fishiest DoJ story yet. So I guess he feels guilty about something (--although he didn't exactly say what it was). As I said above, it doesn't bother, concern or even interest me, what consenting adults do in private. I. DON'T. CARE. I want the WAR ended. I want Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, Gonzales, Addington and the rest of these horrendous WAR CRIMINALS, and shredders of our Constitution, and mindbogglingly greedy thieves, brought to justice. This is bullshit compared to that. It is NOT important. And it is a symptom of our sicko, insane political and media establishment that anybody thinks that it is. Christ Almighty, we are losing the very planet we live on, and a guy seeing prostitutes is scandalous?!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:26 PM
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14. It's not like he doesn't know his way...
around moving money. Look at who he's been prosecuting. I know people do dumb things, but why would he of all people leave a trail of bread crumbs? Plus his family is loaded aren't they? He probably was versed in 'money matters' via the silver spoon.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:11 PM
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13. give the prostitutes who aided their gummint in a time of need immunity!
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