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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 05:10 AM
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Edward R. Murrow was no Edward R Murrow
Hold on to your seats, because we are in for a bumpy ride. I am going to do some radical historical revision here in order to make a point. Please do not flame me unless you read all the way to the end.

Alan Moore, the graphic fiction writer is probably the best living English language fiction author alive, now that William Burroughs has wandered off to the western lands. In his most famous book, Moore asks the simple question, Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? or Who Watches the Watchmen? .

Since the members of the press now construct (and deconstruct and reconstruct on an almost constant basis, depending upon the needs of their corporate masters) our history, it is no surprise that they glamorize the histories of their own. The career of Edward R. Murrow is a case in point.

I.

I found this article from The Nation. Yes, it is from the news media. The liberal news media, so it has to be glowing. Edward R. Murrow is the patron saint of speaking out in defense of the weak and helpless against the bully and those with power and money, right?

http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/63464/

Then Murrow would do his closing essay, in which he would comment on some hot issue, continually treading dangerous waters: McCarthyism at home, apartheid abroad, J. Edgar Hoover, the atomic bomb, stockpiling of weapons of mass destruction -- all of which he opposed. He was pro-union and anti-business. He was a dissident on US foreign policy post-World War II. He spoke out against the Truman Doctrine, which had America supporting fascist dictatorships in Greece and elsewhere because they were anti-Communist.


Hold on there. That reminds me of a story that the press hardly ever talks about. William Shirer, Bill Shirer, another WWII radio correspondent for CBS. While Murrow was in London, Shirer was in Germany, France and Europe reporting on the rise of the Third Reich decades before he wrote The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich . Eventually, he had to make a run for it, because the Gestapo was ready to arrest him for his reporting activity.

After the war, both men went home. Murrow got an executive position. Shirer had a radio program and some liberal views that made him unpopular with the sponsors.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/197601/cbs-1/11

The most delicate problem turned out to be Murrow's old friend Bill Shirer. Shirer was doing a Sunday afternoon radio news show and his sponsor decided to drop him and hire another broadcaster. Murrow reassigned Shirer to another time slot, though without a sponsor and thus at a considerable reduction in income. Shirer was bitter. He had sixteen months to go on his contract. Murrow tried to make him stay, but Shirer was hurt and felt he had been gagged. Since Shirer was the furthest left of the major commentators at the time—he opposed the Truman Doctrine and in general was less of what would come to be known as a Cold Warrior than his colleagues—many thought that CBS, Murrow included, was buckling under to political pressure. (Among those who felt that way was Shirer himself, who later wrote a novel, entitled Stranger Come Home, dealing with the McCarthy Era and singularly unflattering to a character seemingly modeled on Murrow.)

The incident underlined the question of who controlled the news, the network or the sponsors. Did the sponsors for example, have the right to control the tone of the news by deciding whose voice should be heard? Murrow said that a sponsor could select a broadcaster, though it could not control content. It was, he knew, an unsatisfactory answer because a newscaster defined the tone and style of a show; there was no such thing as pure content. In addition, it meant that sponsors, rather than CBS News, had the right to advance or thwart a broadcaster's career, and that very quickly the least offensive journalist, rather than the most talented, might rise and be rewarded.
The corporate role was not one that Murrow relished; the voice he spoke with was not necessarily his own. By 1947, he was back to broadcasting, awaiting the arrival of television, which he regarded with suspicion and ambivalence. But he was a communicator; and whatever else television was, it was clearly a powerful forum for communication.


It would take Murrow over ten years of wrestling with his conscience to get up the moral indignation to make his finest speech. No, the one about McCarthy. I will get to that one later. The one I am talking about is his 1958 speech in he extols the television news industry to think less about ratings and revenues and more about content.

http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/commentary/hiddenagenda/murrow.html

Here is William Shirer’s obituary from the New York Times.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE7DE153FF93AA15751C1A965958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

Although Mr. Shirer denied that he was ever a Communist sympathizer, he was blacklisted in "Red Channels," a booklet that listed names of suspected Communists in the early 1950's. He had once signed a friend-of-the-court brief for the Hollywood 10. "Red Channels" was used to pressure the networks and advertising agencies to purge its liberal commentators. CBS was one of the broadcasting companies that bowed to the pressure and established loyalty oaths.
"I became unemployable," Mr. Shirer later wrote. "I was broke, with two kids in school. Some of my friends were editors and would pay me for an article, but nothing was ever published. I then decided I would speak my piece on the lecture trail. I spent almost five years when my sole income was from one-night stands at universities. They were almost the only place in the country in the 1950's that still had some respect for freedom of speech."
Of colleagues who behaved "not well" during the McCarthy era, Mr. Shirer said: "It's a question of character. It's a complex fate, being an American, as Henry James wrote. It would be easier here for a right-wing dictator than anyplace else."
"I have moments of great depression about the United States," he added, "and then something happens to restore faith."


Now, about Murrow’s great moment . The Press frames the story as David vs. Goliath. Sen. Joe McCarthy is at the height of his power, summoning fair starlets and hapless bespectacled writers who can not get jobs (like Bill Shirer) before Congress, when that great defender of liberty, Edward R. Murrow decides that enough is enough. He will speak his mind, consequences be damned.

It didn’t happen quite that way. This not the Brave Little Tailor, a story in which Murrow is the hero. This is The Man Who Learned Better, and McCarthy is the hero, whose overreaching leads to his own downfall.

Far from being at the height of his power, McCarthy had done the unthinkable. He had decided to take his show on the road into the Pentagon. With a war hero president. Some people are just plain born stupid.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3002239.stm

McCarthy's downfall came when he began to attack one of the most revered US institutions, the Army.
His insistence that Army loyalty officers must appear before his Senate committee gained him the ire of the new Republican president, Dwight Eisenhower, a former Army general.
In a classic confrontation, in public and private, he accused Brigadier General Ralph Zwicker of promoting an army dentist suspected of communist leanings to the rank of major, and fumed when he refused to reveal who had approved it.
"Any man who has been promoted to general and... who protected communists is not fit to wear that uniform," McCarthy said.
The Secretary of the Army, Robert T Stephens, and his lawyer, John G Adams, then appeared in a televised hearing and asked the senator, "Have you no sense of decency?"
In December, 1954, the Senate censured McCarthy by a vote of 67-22.


Some other stuff happened between the insult to Zwicker and the vote to censure. Eisenhower was pissed.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/presidents/34_eisenhower/eisenhower_politics.html
When McCarthy, armed with little more than hearsay and innuendo, set out to expose communists within the U.S. Army, Eisenhower decided enough was enough. He instructed his staff to present information that would discredit McCarthy. It was revealed that McCarthy had petitioned the Army to award preferential treatment to his assistant, David Shine.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._David_Schine

Interesting bit of dirt there. Cohn was probably infatuated with his assistant and definitely used his power to seek special military privileges. That must have caused a major stink for McCarthy as only a homosexual love triangle by innuendo scandal could.

In the middle of the Pentagon’s efforts to get back at McCarthy, Murrow launched his bold attack. It was a good speech, but with Eisenhower and the Pentagon gunning for the guy and the Republicans now firmly in control of Washington (and therefore no longer having any use for a rogue pit bull who did damage to his own side when he was supposed to be neutralizing the opposition) I can not say that Murrow was playing Gary Cooper in High Noon . I look at him more as one of the Dirty Dozen. Charles Bronson, maybe.

And yet, would Charles Bronson ever be this eloquent?

Here is the text:

http://www.honors.umd.edu/HONR269J/archive/Murrow540309.html

No one familiar with the history of this country can deny that congressional committees are useful. It is necessary to investigate before legislating, but the line between investigating and persecuting is a very fine one and the junior Senator from Wisconsin has stepped over it repeatedly. His primary achievement has been in confusing the public mind, as between internal and the external threats of Communism. We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men -- not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular.
This is no time for men who oppose Senator McCarthy's methods to keep silent, or for those who approve. We can deny our heritage and our history, but we cannot escape responsibility for the result. There is no way for a citizen of a republic to abdicate his responsibilities. As a nation we have come into our full inheritance at a tender age. We proclaim ourselves, as indeed we are, the defenders of freedom, wherever it continues to exist in the world, but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin have caused alarm and dismay amongst our allies abroad, and given considerable comfort to our enemies. And whose fault is that? Not really his. He didn't create this situation of fear; he merely exploited it -- and rather successfully. Cassius was right. "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves."
Good night, and good luck.


Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5TTtStFMSw

II.

In Writing the Event Rolande Barthes describes three types of information or notation that are used to “write” the history of May ’68 in France. (the essay starts on page 169)

http://books.google.com/books?id=qj_Qe3aaItUC&pg=PA149&lpg=PA149&dq=%22Writing+the+Event%22+Barthes&source=web&ots=FwSOnZrIUD&sig=cWT2SpNC6MqTPGw-v7Td9LCITFc&hl=en#PPA149,M1

speech , symbol and violence . These three are obvious characteristics of a nationwide popular protest that caused a significant lasting effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_1968

May '68 was a political failure for the protesters, but it had an enormous social impact. In France, it is considered to be the watershed moment that saw the replacement of conservative morality (religion, patriotism, respect for authority) with the liberal morality (equality, sexual liberation, human rights) that dominates French society today. Although this replacement did not take place solely in this one month, the term mai 68 is used to refer to the shift in values, especially when referring to its most idealistic aspects.


Just as the graffiti, shouted word and acts of violence are the images which linger in the minds of the French and which serve to characterize and define May ’68 more than more classic forms of written historical analysis, so the television record of Edward R. Murrow delivering his speech with his fine voice along with the juxtaposition to the violent images of McCarthy grilling sympathetic figures like lowly government workers, writers, artists, movie stars and later military men and heroes are so vivid and fixed in our minds that they become THE history . We see and hear Murrow acting heroic. We see and hear innocent victims being lead to slaughter. Our minds create the familiar narrative of David versus Goliath or the Brave Little Tailor, because that is a story that comes easy to us. We enjoy it. This country in which we live, which teaches us to take care of ourselves and be rugged individuals not ask for handouts tells us everyday be strong, be Gary Cooper.

Be Edward R. Murrow

However, Edward R. Murrow was no Edward R. Murrow. And he was. The question is not which he was. The question is why do we think one way or the other, and what rests in the balance between the two answers.

At the end of his short essay, Barthes returns to familiar territory with the last paragraph which I will have to let you read on line, since I can not cut and paste it here. Here is a snippet.

“Interpretation must gradually give way to a new discourse whose goal is not the revelation of a unique and “true” structure but the establishment of an interplay of multiple structures: an establishment itself written i.e. uncoupled from the truth of speech. “


For Barthes and people like Wallace Stevens who were born in an early age, this was a concept that may have seemed revolutionary. It is something that we live and breathe now. It has informed all of our social sciences. I listened in amazement as an anthropologist delivered a lecture at my school of public health and discussed theory that could have come straight from Barthes thirty years ago or Stevens over half a century ago.

We all read on multiple levels now. However, we do not all consciously read on multiple levels. When we look at a story spread by the corporate media and we do not always ask “Why did this story get released today as opposed to next week? “ and “Who suggested this story?” (knowing as we do that journalists seldom do their own leg work anymore, nowadays lobbyists or political parties or someone selling dog food does the work and gives it to the journalist) and “How does this benefit the parent company?” and if we do not know whom the parent company is and what their future money making plans are, we can never hope to read the whole news. At best we will be like those who look back at May ’68 and remember graffiti and shouts and overturned cars and say “That was it!” And that was it. But that was not all of it. Because it was chaos but it was also a new order.

Historians, self styled nonfiction writers and the press will try time and again to tell us that one thing is true. Propagandists are especially skilled at this. They know just how to use speech , violence and symbol to convince us that just one thing is true. Like Muslims are scary. Or Hillary is never sincere. Members of the press just love to get on TV and tell you that just one thing is true and that they have just now figured out what it is and why it means that you should go straight out and vote the way they tell you or spend your money the way they tell you. Like Tweety, on the night of the New Hampshire primary with his ridiculous "Methinks paleface speaks with forked tongue" pronouncement. Only a true devotee of the one true thing can say something like "Bill Clinton is ghettoizing Obama" (Pat Buchanan).

I will let you in on a secret. There may be a few eternal truths, but they are not of the type that you are likely to find the guys and gals of the press pontificating upon. Most of what passes through their lips is bullshit. The more they admit that they are guessing, the closer they are coming to the truth. If they give you two or three mutually exclusive possibilities, you have probably found a winner.

If you practice the art of reading the way Rolande Barthes touches upon in this short essay and expands upon in his classic S/Z you will be able to pick up a newspaper and tell from the stories what the RNC is doing now and is planning to do next. Because there is a hell of a lot more information buried in there than the corporate media realizes. If they had any idea how much they reveal to those who read on all the levels, they would be afraid to issue any kind of news.
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emanymton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 05:59 AM
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1. Water Flows Down Hill, No Matter Who Pours It.
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"...“Why did this story get released today as opposed to next week? “ and “Who suggested this story?” (knowing as we do that journalists seldom do their own leg work anymore, nowadays lobbyists or political parties or someone selling dog food does the work and gives it to the journalist) and “How does this benefit the parent company?” ..."

"...I will let you in on a secret. There may be a few eternal truths, but they are not of the type that you are likely to find the guys and gals of the press pontificating upon. ..." An eternal truth, "Water Flows Down Hill, No Matter Who Pours It."

As the story is the "water" why are you spending soooo much time on who pours it?

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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:34 PM
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6. "Oh body swayed to music oh brightening glance, who can tell the dancer
from the dance?" Yeats (off the top of my head so I may have misquoted a bit.

The reverse is true as well. The messenger is the message.

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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 08:20 AM
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2. wow, all of that just to defend bill and hillary!
i'm reading consciously at many levels. you've told me nothing about the media and politics that i didn't already know 30 years ago.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:53 PM
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7. An excellent example of what happens when a truism "Hillary is a bitch" is questioned.
In my journal I give as examples of one true things (more commonly known as big lies but I wanted to avoid that charged phrase and use something more neutral) the lies "Muslims as scary" (which is being used against Obama since the RNC has been trying to convince people for a year that he was at least raised Muslim---and they have had some success in the non-Democratic population) and "Hillary is a bitch".

When I introduced the second, it caused discomfort in a reader, who dismissed the entire thesis as without merit since nothing could be allowed to question such a deeply held belief.

In fact, I have addressed specific big lies such as the ones about Hillary and Obama in a very direct manner in my other journals about the The Press versus these candidates. The way to discredit propaganda is not through stealth. You shine a bright light illuminating it and it becomes clear that it is nothing but a web of lies built from shadow and spit.

This journal is exactly what it seems. An object lesson in why we take one road as opposed to another when we write history---because it is not written for us, we decide how we will frame the stories of our past.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 05:23 PM
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19. i couldn't care less whether anyone thinks hillary is a bitch...
...or not, but i know an attempt to defend corrupt opportunistic politicians via long-winded pompous pseudointellectualism when i see it. go tell it to will pitt.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:59 AM
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20. Wow.
What?
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nonoxy9 Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 03:31 PM
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14. Ditto, tomp.
My daughter has a shirt that says, " I see you lips moving but all I hear is "blah, blah, blah!""
That whole story about Murrow only to lose the whole thing at the end.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 10:35 AM
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3. Not a flame, but a few critiques.
First, I think the summation of all this is -- Murrow was a complicated man, as is his legacy. I don't disagree with that.

Second, Alan Moore is not the greatest English language fiction author alive as long as people like Philip Roth and Tom Wolfe still draw breath. :P

Third, and perhaps most important, I cannot disagree more on your article's conclusion:
"Historians, self styled nonfiction writers and the press will try time and again to tell us that one thing is true. Propagandists are especially skilled at this. They know just how to use speech , violence and symbol to convince us that just one thing is true. Like Muslims are scary. Or Hillary is never sincere. Members of the press just love to get on TV and tell you that just one thing is true and that they have just now figured out what it is and why it means that you should go straight out and vote the way they tell you or spend your money the way they tell you. Like Tweety, on the night of the New Hampshire primary with his ridiculous "Methinks paleface speaks with forked tongue" pronouncement. Only a true devotee of the one true thing can say something like "Bill Clinton is ghettoizing Obama" (Pat Buchanan).

I will let you in on a secret. There may be a few eternal truths, but they are not of the type that you are likely to find the guys and gals of the press pontificating upon. Most of what passes through their lips is bullshit. The more they admit that they are guessing, the closer they are coming to the truth. If they give you two or three mutually exclusive possibilities, you have probably found a winner."



On the contrary, there is such a thing as the truth. Of course, you'll never find it in punditry, as punditry is opinion that, hopefully, is based on some fact. But there are underlying facts. There's an old saying that there are three sides to every story -- your side, my side and the truth. One of the great failures of modern journalism is not that contemporary journalists report only on the side they deem to be the truth, ignoring the other side; rather, it is that they report both sides without any regard for the third. Thus, we have debates over evolution and intelligent design, when the truth is that only one is a scientific theory. We have debates over global warming, when only one side has a real basis in fact. Hell, we even have debates over the Holocaust, the moon landing, a plane having crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11, when all of these are historical fact. Admittedly, those last three are a bit more outre, hardly discussed on the nightly news, but you get my point -- the failure of journalists is not that they insist on one version of the truth. The failure of journalists is that they do not insist on the truth at all. In fact, modern journalism seems more than ready to agree with you that there are few real truths out there. They just disagree with you about what these truths are. However, as Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously opined, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 02:11 PM
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8. Truth is relative. "Everything possible to be believed is an image of the
truth" Blake.

What does it mean when we say that Apollo 11 landed on the moon? To the moon, it means nothing, since we assume that it lacks consciousness, but what if the moon is informed after all. Does the moon feel violated? Happy to have finally made first contact? Does the Apollo 11 spacecraft have any primitive electronic consciousness? In the realm of science fiction it does. And science fiction has invaded the human imagination which shapes our world and eventually influences our social and technological sciences (see my description of how modernists like Stevens have influenced anthropology).

We all think we know what it means that Apollo 11 landed on the moon. It means that we did it . Oh, and with global warning and the threat of world catastrophe, it also means that we now have a chance to abandon this planet like a disposable tissue and go out and trash another---the great move westward can continue into the stars so we need never change our extravagant, dangerous earth hating ways. And it means that we will be able to harness a steady supply of He3 for fusion once we have mastered that technology--which we will because we went to the moon damn it.

Or, you can try to be like William Carlos Williams. "Say it. Things. Not Words." Except that his "things" were "words." And the words bounced off one another and made a rainbow within the reader's head.

"So much depends

Upon the red wheelbarrow

Red Against the white chickens"

Again, this is all from memory, so I have probably gotten some of the lines and words wrong, but I think my point comes across.

The moon landing is not important if I say simply "manned vehicle touched down on lunar surface". The very reason you mentioned it as a truth is because it is a Historic Event with all kinds of emotional and scientific association. And we decide from moment to moment how we will frame that story. In the later 1970s that story was framed as "So fucking what? It costs a lot of money we could spend on the poor." Hunter S. Thompson wrote nasty things about astronauts. Now, we are back in the space race because China and Japan want that He3. My mother worked for NASA as a computer scientist so for me it was just the job.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:57 AM
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4. You said nothing that reduces my respect for Murrow
I had trouble following the interconnections between all of the things you wrote about. However, in any case, I didn't see anything that reduced my respect for Edward R. Murrow. If anyone doubts his importance, watch his documentary on farm workers. You can get it as part of a set of DVDs of Murrow broadcasts from netflix.com.

The worst thing you said about Murrow is that one of his friends was transferred to a lower paying job because that guy's program could not get a sponsor. That's life. Murrow was uncomfortable being a network boss and that is why Murrow quickly went back into broadcasting. He is to be admired for that.



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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 02:29 PM
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9. Sorry I was not more clear. The nonesense title is the clue that I am not
stating a truth or a one true thing . Though we can not ever say what another person is, we can at least give that person a name. Scroll down towards the end of part I. to see that I question the premise that I appear to be making (since I am actually making a different point in 2)

I could have done the same experiment starting with the thesis "God is dead" but that would just make DUers yawn. When I came across the bits of history that do not fit into the Murrow's cannon (and are therefore discarded) I decided to write this.

And of course, we do not have video of God speaking to us. The Murrow's legend is a modern one because it revolves around television. If there is a moment recorded on film or video, we believe that it is more factual than one recounted by a dozen witnesses of impeccable reputation--even though video can be edited.

Look at what happened when Matt Drudge took Hillary's 60 Minutes interview and edited it. Keith Olbermann cited the doctored Drudge footage as fact, because he had seen and heard it. KO is a newsman. He should be aware of the power of film to seduce us. Leni Riefenstahl proved that. Look at what happened when Fox showed a few minutes of Rev. Wright. Do those minutes show Wright's ministry for AIDs victims or his lifetime of charity or his meetings with presidents or all the awards he has received from mainstream groups? Hell, no! Those are isolated moments chosen to reflect one facet of the diamond that is his total career.

In his essay, Barthes describes how the Paris riots were memorable for images that could be shown on TV or heard on radio---graffiti, speeches, violence--all of these make great theater for the news. However, they only form one story that is an incomplete story.

Unfortunately, our television news media knows how to use the sound bite and the edited footage replayed over and over again to tell just the story that will benefit their parent company.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 09:20 PM
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15. But too many
want only one way of seeing. Too many supporters of either candidate are looking for simplicity where it cannot exist. They are looking for a hero, a god, a perfect thing to which they may devote their lives. Their desperation will not let them admit complexity. That is why some seek authoritarian religions or some seek mystical divinations for their everyday problems. They feel inadequate to deal with life and so very much want to give over dealing with it to someone they come to see as perfect. You destroy that image for them when you disagree and therein become a monster.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:42 PM
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16. You are correct. People will buy anything from someone who offers them "truth" or "fact" or
or "science". In the east, they have it easier. They can join a Buddhist monastery and devote their lives to following a method of practice that fills their day so completely that they have little time for anything else until one day they look up and realize that the Buddha they revere has been, all along, a dried shit stick, and they achieve enlightenment.

Here, we turn to science and facts for enlightenment.

I just finished reading another excellent essay by Barthes in the same collection, The Rustle of Language . This one is called From Science to Literature . Again, I can not cut and paste from this type of link. Pages 8-9 are particularly good.

There is a certain train of thought within Marxist theory that holds modern art and writing to be opposed to liberation and revolution in that it is not representative of the people. However, Barthes makes a good case that modern writing and modern methods of reading are liberating because they reject notions of "truth" and encourage exploration for multiple layers of meaning. This is actually quite humane, for it validates human expression and emotion. For instance, Columbus Day could only cease being a National Holiday if we validate the voice of a minority point of view in the Americas. That means creating a national consensus voice that is not simply that of the people who own the most wealth or who belong to the largest single ethnic group--the way that history used the be written. When Joyce experimented with style in "Ulysses" and Faulkner decided to start "The Sound and the Fury" with the voice of Benjamin, the mentally retarded, physically castrated, rejected son of the Compson family, they opened the door within the popular imagination to a new way of looking at the way that we use language to make the stories that we tell more truthful---revealing that the "realism" of the 19th century was after all merely an artifice, just as the notion that Edward R. Murrow is only Edward R. Murrow---a man forever fixed in that moment of delivering that one television broadcast within the popular American imagination--is also artificial. In fact, he is many things, including a man who finally called out his industry. However that is not the image that the Corporate Media nurtures.

'Technically, according to Roman Jakobson's definition, the "poetic" (i.e, the literary) designates the type of message that takes for object its own form, and not its contents. Ethically, it is solely by its passage through language that literature pursues the disturbance of the essential concepts of our culture, "reality" chief among them. Politically, it is by professing (and illustrating) that no language is innocent, it is by employing what might be called an "integral language" that literature is revolutionary.' Barthesp.5


'Scientific discourse believes it is a superior code; writing seeks to be a total code, including its own force of destruction. It follows that only writing can break the theological image imposed by science, can reject the paternal terror spread by the abusive "truth" of contents and reasonings, can open to research the complete space of language...'Barthes p.9


William Blake wrote about the same issues almost a century and a half before Barthes. His writing may be more approachable for some. Check out "Urizen" for a start.



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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:04 PM
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5. Scanned only about half of the info . . . however, still Murrow did pay a
considerable price as far as what I've heard in speaking out --

he was reduced to a celebrity show?

Actually, too, Lenny Bruce is said to have had the opening shot at McCarthy --
softening him up in the minds of the public and creating an opening.


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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 02:32 PM
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10. Lots of people criticized McCarthy. 50% of Americans approved, 50% didn't in 1954
before Murrow gave his speech. We have always been a nation of two minds. The problem is that a narrow majority ride rough show over the rest.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 03:02 PM
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12. I remember that it was not something spoken about openly . . .
in my immediate family, there was no political awareness ---

Aunt and grandmother would speak about it quietly ---
and were very concerned -- though I couldn't understand really at that time.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 02:43 PM
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11. He lost his weekly show
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 02:43 PM by JPZenger
Murrow's punishment was to lose his weekly show. He was cut back to "special reports." He was actually doing the celebrity interview show for years. The interview show paid the bills of himself and the network, and helped convince the network to leave him alone on his investigative show.

If you continue making your boss rich, it is easier to earn your freedom. That is why the Simpsons creators were able to get a contract provision years ago that prevents Fox from interfering with its content. That is why they like to make fun of Murdoch.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 03:07 PM
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13. Naomi Klein points out that our Founders consider tyranny a natural state . . .
Edited on Thu Apr-03-08 03:09 PM by defendandprotect
and democracy unusual, fragile ---

I've come to think that cowardice may be a natural state ---

and that the courage that Morrow finally showed --- and many others show -- is UNIQUE.

Many at that time were looking at their careers being taken from them, their jobs, their

ability to support their families -- to keep their families.

Meanwhile, Bush has now added TORTURE to the menu . . .

Thoughts of torture can turn you into a coward --- especially when you understand that your

actions could implicate and harm your own family.


And, thus, they begin to succeed --- !!!

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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 11:58 PM
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17. The 1950s were not the first time Americans have lived in "tyranny" at home.
In the 1920s the KKK had massive numbers of members all across the country and they would terrorize Catholics, Jews, Blacks, Immigrants and anyone else they damn well pleased. During WWI, they enacted laws that took away civil liberties and used them to jail political people and union leaders. They broke up the Wobblies that way. Political prosecutions were the norm all through the pre FDR years. If you were a communist or a union leader or a socialist, you could expect to be rounded up and charged with all manner of crimes.

And lynchings happened from the end of the Civil War all the way up until the start of WWII when suddenly the feds needed Blacks in the Army, so they had to do something to protect them. If you were Black you lived in legal tyranny all the way up until the mid nineteen sixties. Look at what they did to Jack Johnson.

Native Americans still haven't received justice.

What about the tyranny of the attempted coup on FDR by the richest families in the country?

What about the tyranny of all the foreign countries whose elected leaders we have overthrown and for whom we have selected despotic dictators and condemned the people to lives of suffering and hardship in our lust for oil and other mineral resources?

Look at what CBS did to Dan Rather. And look at the FEMA trailers.

So yeah, we have always lived in tyranny, at least since the start of industrialization. Engels said that the reason we could not win the revolution is because the bosses were too successful at exploiting our ethnic differences. They were too good at playing divide and conquer.

They are sure doing a good job of it this primary season.



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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 02:22 AM
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18. Our differences were exploited in our Constitution . . .
rich vs poor --- people of property vs people with none ---
male vs female -- "black" vs "white" --- vs "native American" ---

You supply a lot to think about ---
Nader points constantly to all that has been overcome and I agree with him.

I did mean to comment on the astonishing courage that we so often do see ---
and in that case from Edward R. Murrow ---

What might he have to say today of the attacks on journalists ---
it often looks like murder for hire so many are dead -- !!!

IMO, the biggest threat to us in this election season will be the computers and that has been so since the mid-1960's . . .

Oh -- I totally agree with your post/review ---
we need to remember it more often!


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