Why is there still a hole at Ground Zero into which the Pope

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walked this morning?

What the freaking hell have they been doing in that hole for 6 1/2 years?

Hell, me an my union brothers helped build the entire new Terminal D building complex at DFW Airport in less than half that time. We've built skyscrapers like The W Hotel in Dallas and the Radio Shack Tower in Ft Worth in less time.

I would've placed the construction industry in New York & vicinity a couple notches above us simply by virtue of the shear volume of massive things they've built compared to what we've done historically.

I find the fact that there is still a hole there as completely dumbfounding. Where is the Freedom Tower? Where is the victims' memorial? Where is the justice for the Saudi's and the US government complicitors in this crime?

[Red Zelda]

1. Gotta keep that hole there

Lots of American dreams yet to bury

[NightWatcher]

2. it's a reminder of the terra terra terra. they do not want to replace it

it will take some time, but we are almost 7 years after fact. they cleaned up the crime scene fast and shipped the evidence off to China to be melted down, but they do not want to replace the largest reminder that we need the government to protect us from those bad brwon people over there who train on a jungle gym

[Breeze54]

3. Because they halted construction when more bones were found and

it took a long time for all to come into agreement on what should be built in it's place.

1,100 people have yet to be identified.

[Subdivisions]

5. I am in no way attempting to denegrate the memory of

those that perished that day. Hell, I cried like a big blubbering baby as I watched on the telly. But 6 1/2 years? And how do we know after 5 years they suddenly found bones? We can't trust a goddamed thing we're told.

At some point, we have to say "We've gone far beyond in the search for and retrieval of victims' remains. We may not have recovered everyone that is here. Whomever we leave behind will understand that we've done all we can do to ensure that everyone has been recovered and we ask of those we may have missed to please forgive us. We ask of those we may leave behind to guide us as move forward. Their presence here ensures that this will be a truly sacred memorial which will preserve their memory for all eternity."

[The Traveler]

6. Yes. It is past time to move on

The best way to honor our dead is to seek and live that which is truly good.

[Breeze54]

8. I don't think the families agree with you at all.

It's not past time for them.

[The Traveler]

13. Of course not

But that is besides the point. Ultimately, each individual has to seek and find their own peace with tragedy. It is one of the requirements of being human. As a nation, we are required to learn, rebuild, surmount, and go on. Or we can collectively choose to wallow in it until the families complete their inner task of grieving. But as a nation, we do the survivors no service by making that choice.

[Breeze54]

7. Remains of More 9/11 Victims Identified - Apr 7, 2008

Remains of More 9/11 Victims Identified

By MARCUS FRANKLIN – Apr 7, 2008

NEW YORK (AP) — The city has identified the remains of four more victims of the Sept. 11 attacks, including one man whose DNA was found beneath a service road that was initially paved over, officials said Monday.

Ronald Keith Milstein's remains were found beneath the road that was built to carry cleanup and construction trucks in and out of the World Trade Center site after the 2001 terrorist attacks, the city medical examiner's office said. Milstein of Queens was 54 when he was killed.

More than 400 human bone pieces have been recovered from beneath the road, which has become known as "Haul Road" because of the hauling of debris.

Also identified was Alejandro Castano whose remains were found in the Liberty Street area, the medical examiner's office said.

The 35-year-old from Englewood, N.J., was in the area that day to deliver pens and paper to a brokerage firm on the 97th floor of the south tower, his family told The Record of Hackensack, N.J.

For now, authorities are not releasing the names of the two other victims whose remains were identified.
Their families will decide whether to publicly announce the names of the 52-year-old woman identified from
remains found in the former Deutsche Bank building and the 59-year-old man identified from remains discovered
on Liberty Street.

The search at Haul Road began in October 2006 when utility workers found over 80 bones in a manhole in the service road. Since then, other manholes, a highway and nearby rooftops have been searched. The city identified the first victim from remains found in the road last July.

More than 1,800 of the 21,000 body parts recovered from ground zero have been found in the last two years in and around the trade center site. The remains of more than 40 percent of the 2,749 people killed at the site have yet to be identified.

I never said you were attempting to denigrate the memories but they're still finding bones
and identifying them. My guess is the families want to wait to see of it's their missing loved one.

[Subdivisions]

9. Well then, at this rate there will never be a memorial. Just a hole. n/t

[Breeze54]

10. So?

Doesn't bother me in the least. Why does it bother you?

[Subdivisions]

11. Look, I'm not here to argue with you so stop pokinig me. You

answered the OP and I'm not disputing your point.

[Breeze54]

12. WTF? "Poking you?" I answered your REPLY TO ME!!!

Cut off your coffee intake and stop acting paranoid. Gheesh!

[Subdivisions]

14. Why does just about every conversation on this board have

to degenerate into a pissing match. I took your point as a good one. My statement, to which you answered "So?" was a conclusive one conceding your point. But you seem to be too argumentative to leave it at that and have to come across with "Why does it bother you?".

I bothers me because there never was a proper rescue, recovery, and investigation. And, after 6+ years, perhaps some of the best public servants and forensics experts in the world still have not completed the task of finding and identifying remains. What the fuck are they doing paving a goddaned road and THEN LATER finding more remains under it? NOT ONE GODDAMNED PERSON HAS BEEN CONVICTED! NOT ONE GODDAMNED PERSON HAS BEEN HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FAILURES LEADING UP TO THAT FATEFUL DAY!

I just asked a question and your response and point were well-founded. So, don't "So?" me when I have made a conceding and conclusive statement, to wit:

"Well then, at this rate there will never be a memorial. Just a hole." Everything you said and quoted previous to that statement reinforces the statement itself. My intention was concession, not argument.

[Breeze54]

15. There is no "pissing match" --- only in your view.

If you don't want anyone to comment, then don't post. Simple.

[Subdivisions]

16. I DIDN'T FUCKING SAY I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO COMMENT!

I FUCKING CONCEDED YOUR POINTS AND YET YOU CONTINUE TO CARRY ON.

GO FIND SOMEONE ELSE TO ARGUE WITH!

[Breeze54]

18. "so stop pokinig me"

You are interpreting conversation as poking at you and you did say to go somewhere else.

No, I won't. I'm a member at DU and if you reply to me, I'll reply back and stop yelling.

There's no need to get so upset over my asking a simple question. Have a good day.

[Jamastiene]

24. You heard them.

STOP POKING THEM!





































:hide:
:popcorn:

[Jamastiene]

23. This looks spirited.

:popcorn: :beer:

[saltpoint]

4. The Holy See's in town for a holey see.

As long as he was down on that end of the island, I hope Benedict had a moment to slip into Benny's Burrito's for a bite to eat.

[undeterred]

17. Yeah, they wanted him to see into the hole.

How else is he gonna do it?

[Subdivisions]

19. I am sure the prayer and blessings he bestowed upon the site

with his words and his presence is some confort to the families. I feel terrible for them all. I hope some or all can find closure upon his visit. For those whose closure lies in seeing justice done, I'm afraid noone will ever be held to account either for the attack itself, or for the failure to prevent it.

[saltpoint]

20. Yep. If he can bring any comfort at all to those people, that's a good

thing.

But it smacks of manipulation by his U.S. tour handlers, IMO.

The 9/11 Republican terra terra terra thing just isn't the bell that rings for me. I would have urged Benedict to visit New Orleans instead.

[Subdivisions]

21. "But it smacks of manipulation by his U.S. tour handlers, IMO."

Actually, I began that post to say basically the same thing but saying it seemed out of place in that particular post.

Despite what I said above, the whole thing does smack of photo-op. But, I digress.

[LiberalFighter]

22. It is the Nexus of evil drawing the Pope to consume him.

That is also why Bush showed up in 2001 at the site.