Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Is an Attack on Iran Imminent?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:35 PM
Original message
Is an Attack on Iran Imminent?
Is an Attack on Iran Imminent?
by Dan Hamburg

George W. Bush is poised to order a massive aerial bombardment — possibly including tactical nuclear weapons - of up to 10,000 targets in Iran. The attack would be justified on grounds that Iran is interfering with U.S. efforts in Iraq and that Iran is developing a nuclear weapon, a charge that was debunked last fall in the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE).

According to international experts, the U.S. declared economic war against Iran on March 20. On that day, the U.S. Treasury’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) called on the world’s financial institutions to stop doing business with Iran, making it much more difficult for Iran to engage in global commerce.

Now the Bush administration is preparing to drop the other shoe. Below are some of the indications that a U.S. military attack on Iran is imminent:

The March 11 resignation of CENTCOM Commander Admiral William Fallon who, according to a well-publicized Esquire magazine article, “openly opposed Bush’s Iran policy and was a lone voice against taking military action to stop the Iranian nuclear program.”

The recent removal of Vice Admiral John Stufflebeem, Commander of the 6th Fleet (Mediterranean Sea), also known to be a critic of the administration’s war plans.

Two U.S. warships took up positions off Lebanon last month. According to US News & World Report, “The United States would want its warships in the eastern Mediterranean in the event of a military action against Iran.”

The Israeli air strike against Syria last September was advertised as an attack on a nuclear facility. Current speculation is that the real purpose of the raid was to “force Syria to switch on the targeting electronics for newly received Russian anti-aircraft defenses.” Knowing the electronic signatures of these systems would reduce the risks for U.S. and Israeli warplanes heading to Iranian targets.

Israel conducted its largest military exercises ever beginning the week of April 6. This exercise simulated missile strikes from Iran, Lebanon, and Syria. (Note: Both 9/11 and the London subway bombing of 7/7/07 occurred simultaneous by with military and/or civil defense exercises.)

One day after a March visit from Vice President Cheney, the Saudi government announced “national plans to deal with any sudden nuclear and radioactive hazards that may affect the kingdom.” This announcement came following warnings of possible attacks on Iran’s nearby Bushehr nuclear reactors.

According to former U.N. chief weapons inspector Scott Ritter, the Pentagon has contracted for additional bunker-buster bombs and planes that carry them. Delivery is due this month.

The oncoming monsoon season, which would carry radioactive fallout by wind and rain to countries east of Iran (including Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India), narrows the window for the optimal launch of an air attack.

Over the past six months, two major incidents have demonstrated the inadequate security of the U.S. nuclear arsenal. On August 30, 2007, a B-52 Stratofortress bomber carrying 6 AGM-129 Advanced Cruise Missiles, each armed with a W-80-1 nuclear warhead, flew an unauthorized mission from Minot AFB in North Dakota to Barksdale AFB in Louisiana. (Barksdale is the major disembarkation point for personnel and materiel going to the Middle East.) This “Bent Spear” incident marked the first time in more than 40 years that nuclear weapons had been flown across the continental United States. A spate of up to eight accidental deaths and suicides of personnel from these two bases adds an ominous twist to this story.

Recently, it was revealed that intercontinental ballistic missile fuses had been sent to Taiwan instead of the helicopter batteries they had ordered. Sharp protests from China forced President Bush to acknowledge the error personally to Chinese Premier Hu Jintao.

As a result of these incidents, Defense Secretary Robert Gates has ordered a series of investigations, including a recent order for a complete physical inventory of the entire U.S. nuclear arsenal.

The Bush administration is hypocritical in its claims that Iran cannot be trusted with nuclear weapons. Given the Minot/Barksdale incident and the mix-up between ballistic missile fuses and helicopter batteries, the question that should to be asked is: “Can the U.S. be trusted with nuclear weapons?”

According to the Union of Concerned Scientists, a “limited” nuclear attack on the main Iranian underground site in Esfahan would result in three million people killed by radiation within two weeks and 35 million people exposed to dangerous levels of radiation in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India.

Yet another preemptive attack and the devastation of another civilian population would be grossly immoral and in violation of all international codes of conduct. No one can predict how such an attack would end, especially in the tinderbox that is the Middle East. Every patriotic American, and especially every member of Congress, should do whatever is in their power to stop the Bush-Cheney cabal before they drag us into World War III.

Dan Hamburg is a former Democratic US congressperson from northern California. He is currently executive director of Voice of the Environment, a San Francisco based nonprofit.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/04/25/8529/
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:36 PM
Response to Original message
1. Does the US Air force even have the capacity to pull some shit like this??
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:38 PM
Response to Original message
2. I heard the Israeli intelligence sources said it was 50/50.
They think their window of opportunity will close on Jan.21 when a Democrat becomes President.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. Suspend elections?
Haven't people been saying that's a possibility if Bush goes ahead with this?


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #5
11. Yup
"National emergency" and all that. We may even have another terrorist attack ordered up by the pentagon so everyone gets in line.

Or we may just invade, and Bush will say "Only McCain can successfully manage this new war."

All I can guarantee is that whatever happens has already been scripted by Rove, and that we won't like whatever it is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #2
9. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:39 PM
Response to Original message
3. It won't help at all, but
we can let our Dem leaders know they're responsible for not impeaching Bushco.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:40 PM
Response to Original message
4. Odds Are Against It, Ma'am, Though Not Decisively Enough For Comfort
Since its only purpose would be to distort our domestic political life, the window of danger would open after the Democratic convention....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. Why do you feel that's its only purpose, Magistrate? nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #6
16. It is My View, Ma'am
That with the sole exception of raiding the Treasury and filling the pockets of their friends and themselves in whatever way can be managed, domestic political advantage is the only motivation behind any of these people's actions. The invasion of Iraq was certainly run to a wholly political timetable in its inception, and their hope was that in '04 Republicans would be robed in Triumph and establish a generational shift in political alignment on the basis of victor's glory. That this mis-carried in the event does not alter assessment of intent and schedule. As things are shaping up, in more or less normal prospect towards the fall, the Republicans are looking at loss of a solid filibuster in the Senate, return to decisive minority status in the House, and the loss of the Presidency: in short, the sort of 're-alignment' Rove was playing for in '04, only in reverse, and self-inflicted in large measure. Their only hope is to swamp the process with 'the drunk delight of battle', sweep the people up in the paroxysms of patriotism that always accompany the early stages of a war, and trot out the old wheeze that liberals and Democrats are soft appeasing anti-patriot weaklings nobody wants in charge when there is shooting going on, hoping it will work one more time. There is no real national interest whatever an attack on Iran would serve, but there is certainly a domestic political interest it would, at least in the view of the administration and the Republican party leadership, serve, and perhaps even save.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #16
17. I'll chew on that for a while --
you make some impressive arguments. Thanks!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #17
18. None Pleasant To Make, Ma'am, I Assure You
Traitors to Democracy itself hold Executive authority in our Capitol today.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #18
23. Yes. And there they remain.
:grr:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #4
8. The biggest worry is that it may be the Noecons last option
by hook or by crook.

and then hope that in the fog of war everything gets put behind them.

A student of history tells me that usurpers don't usually relinquish power easily.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #4
14. I agree, but cannot be certain, so I am not comfortable either,
not even close. One must assume that BushCheney have some sort of understanding, or rather some modicum of concern for global stability, which is a stretch.

I hold out hope.

Doesn't a September attack look too obvious?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cloudbase Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:42 PM
Response to Original message
7. Again?
Wasn't there supposed to be something happening along those lines during the last new moon?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. It's part of the long term strategy, so it keeps getting worked
without an effective government, there is really no way to prevent it. We are powerless, because of the co-conspirators on our side of th aisle.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #7
15. Oh - that's right.
I'd forgotten about that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:53 PM
Response to Original message
12. I sincerely doubt it
The only upside for Cheneybush would be to reinforce their
party as the war party, and somehow try to convince the country
that the USA at war needs Republicans, never mind that they
started the war for that very purpose.

But Republicans tend to act in a cowardly fashion when it comes
to fighting. They do not intentionally shoot at people that they
know will shoot back (Iraq was the biggest miscalculation in
their history--they prefer "successes" like Grenada and Panama).
Iran will shoot back and have their ex-pats and/or surrogates
attack everything and anything that resembles an American or
an American interest. Our allies will not touch this one. They
will consider us radioactive, and keep an appropriate distance.

The Iranians would have to successfully conduct a full-blown test
of a nuclear warhead to give Cheneybush even the slightest hint
of a pretext for an attack, and I don't think AhmadiNejad is stupid
enough to do so, no matter how many virgins he thinks Allah will
reward him with. I see him as somewhat like Cheneybush--willing to
send others to their deaths, but not risk it himself--although with
a far lower threshold, so it would not be wise to back him into what
he perceives as a corner he can't get out of. He may not be eager to
ravish his virgins prematurely, but he definitely believes that they
are there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:56 PM
Response to Original message
13. 5/5/2008, new moon. imo. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Marblehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:27 PM
Response to Original message
19. According to Scott Ritter
on the Stephanie Miller show, it's a given. The weapons have been ordered ready , including deep penetrating bombs, along with delivery systems this month.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. Time to drag one in from the archives- Kevin Byrnes
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:34 PM
Response to Original message
20. Yes, the whitehouse has been ratcheting up the .....
"Iran is aiding the terrorists in Iraq" screed for several weeks now.

It's just a matter of time, that time being sometime between now and november.

They won't use boots on the ground this time, they'll have war ships off the gulf blow them right off the map.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cayuga Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:37 PM
Response to Original message
21. If he does attack Iran, it will be the end of the beginning.
The next step will be World War III as Russia will get involved. If he attacks, life as we know it will end. Bush must be stopped.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. "Bush must be stopped"
Yeah a lot of luck we've had with that...
A complicit congress has not helped our collective case either.
BHN
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
orangerevolution Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 06:58 PM
Response to Original message
25. doubtful. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. Um...maybe you should read this?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
orangerevolution Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. And if we had access
you would probably find a hundred more plans like it but for different regions of the world.

The military does not operate in a vacum, they are always planning.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. Iran has always been the target- don't kid yourself.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
orangerevolution Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #28
29. Iran has been a target
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 07:43 PM by orangerevolution
from before the first day of the hostage crisis during the Carter administration.

This is nothing new. Pentagon is dusting off plans that already existed and checking them to see if they are still current. Updates will be made then they will be put back on the shelf.

There were plans just like this when the USSR was "the target".

And it happens every day for hundreds of other scenarios, real or imagined, but we don't hear about them.



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
orangerevolution Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. That was from June 2007
It is a year later.

Kinda like me saying to you, someday you will grow old and die.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. The first significant article I read was written in 2005
The PNAC document was written back in the early 90's- we have
seen it come true since 2003-
Are you actually saying that the date of 2007 makes the article irrelevant?
If so, you haven't done your home work on the neocons.

BHN
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
orangerevolution Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:00 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. No
I am saying that endless articles that we "might" attack Iran allows one to claim they are either right if it happens. If it doesn't happen, they can always say it might happen.

Just like I said before, one day you are going to grow old and die. Am I wrong? No. But do we know when it is going to happen either? No. But each day I can say one day you are going to grow old and die.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:47 PM
Response to Original message
30. I think our answer is right in front of us
1. A war with Iran will have to be fought by the Navy from the Strait of Hormuz.
2. Admiral Fallon is selected to head Centcom.
3. Admiral Fallon resigns...(perhaps he refused to consider an attack?)
4. Stooge Petraus is put in place since he will do anything Bush wants.

Ummm...Hell yeah we will be attacking Iran.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #30
33. It is all written in the PNAC document, which clearly many DUers have not read.
Everything IN that document has come to pass
yet some think it irrelevant to the current discussion.
Obviously they haven't been paying attention for as
long as some of us have.
Nor have they read the PNAC doc- clearly.
BHN
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr 30th 2024, 01:06 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC