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PurgedVoter Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 12:10 AM
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Spelling it out for the Republicans
Since it is clear that you guys do not get it. Since it is clear that you are going to fall and your thrashing is going to speed your fall, let me give you some hints. Seriously, I want you to be a strong party that keeps my party honest. You are not going to be in any position to do so shortly unless you get a clue. I have no hope for you however. I suspect you will fall entirely. Soon you will start to break up and use your money to become DINO's. But here are a few things to keep in mind.

Hint 1 Actually find a conservative value or two other than hatred or judging others disguised as a moral virtue.

Hint 2 Actually put the nation first in a few instances.

Hint 3 Patriotism means love of your country and your countrymen. Your stands on environmentalism, the future, and the lives of your fellow man kind of make it obvious that you really have no patriotism. Do something, anything that puts others first.

Hint 4 As you wrap yourself in a cloak of Christianity. try and think what Christianity means. It is not a hatred of Islam. Jesus asked folks to cooperate with soldiers that were polytheistic. They practiced personal magic, made curses and worshiped gods of war that demanded sacrifices. He asked folks and God to forgive these people. Eventually it becomes clear that you are a Christian in name only. CINO, a good term for Republicans!

Hint 5 Think about what it means, that most of us are mad at the Democrats in Congress who are giving in to deals with Bush. Look past the obvious. This really means that we have given up entirely of any Republican showing an ounce of spine, independence or thought unless it involves sports, tax breaks, or becoming more wealthy. We have entirely given up on you because you gave up on our nation.

Hint 6 This is a big one. Imagine how shocked we would be if you actually said something that was not twisted around in order to deceive.

Hint 7 Next time you are in control of something, make it work. One of the things you had going for you was the belief that Democrats couldn't do anything right, or would put the Nation in debt. You have pretty much blown both of those.

Hint 8 Stop worshiping selfishness as a virtue. It isn't. Ann Rand was a persuasive, but twisted and amoral monster. Grover Norquist is a self declared enemy of our country. Selfishness might work if it was given an even playing field, but we will never know if it does, because anyone who believes in selfishness will not ever create an even playing field.

Hint 9 If you cannot answer a question honestly, perhaps you should reconsider your stance. Seriously spin on spin does not make for good policy.

I give up, and you Republicans should too. If you destroy our Nation and economy any more, than the money and goods you have stolen will become worthless. If you go too much further, then you will spend you days hiding from the future equivalent of the Nazi Hunters. Instead I need to focus on fighting your kind hidden within our party.

Instead I think we need to focus on the DINO's a bunch of them will be swarming in soon.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 12:15 AM
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1. Woot!
Even though I think trying to reason with unrepentant Repubs is waste of breath, I have to applaud your effort here.

:applause:
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PurgedVoter Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 01:12 AM
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4. Thanks, and I fear you are right about the waste of breath
It is amazing how angry thieves can get when people stop trusting them. I suspect we will start seeing some serious Republican rage shortly.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 12:39 AM
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2. VERY Well Said ....
Amazingly good and right on target .....

EVERY bit is true .....

I want to use my 'Super Duper Mega Multiplier' on this K&R ....

Damn ..... Breathtaking ...
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PurgedVoter Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 12:55 AM
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3. Thanks for the K,R's and comments!
That deserves at least another hint.

Hint 10 After running a support your troops campaign, and throwing away and looting billions, voting some support for the troops might have made you appear to care about the troops. Used to be Republicans could count on the military family vote. Probably blew this one, but you still have time to make amends.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 01:18 AM
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5. I think you've just about covered everything.
Maybe if you said something in there about the GOP's fear of science or learning.

Otherwise, nicely done.
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PurgedVoter Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:01 AM
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11. Hows this then?
Hint 11, If you have to discredit everyone with a clue in order to win your arguments, maybe you should rethink your arguments and methods of winning arguments. After you have marginalized scientists, protesters(people who are concerned and trying to use speech to make change). Liberals(people who care) fair judges, whistle blowers, and quality educators, French people and really the entire rest of the world, who do you have left to convince?
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 05:53 AM
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6. Great post!
:yourock:
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:28 AM
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7. You might as well make hints at a dog.
Edited on Thu May-15-08 06:28 AM by Perry Logan
But those are excellent hints, I must admit. Maybe we can us them get through to some of the brighter ones.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 09:06 AM
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8. K&R with a caveat...
I didn't think Rand was the slightest bit persuasive, I always found her philosophy to be a blatant attempt to put a moral cover on naked greed. Remember Michael Douglas's character in "Wall Street"? As far as I could tell, remove the commanding performance and you had Rand, just a vampire with a vocabulary.

Of course, it might help that by the time I read Rand, Thatcherism, which was Rand with a bad perm, was already in full flow here.
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PurgedVoter Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:46 AM
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9. Ann Rand's persuasive power.
Edited on Thu May-15-08 10:48 AM by PurgedVoter
It is quite hard for a compassionate individual who care about resources, or people to see the persuasive power of Ann Rand. To those who care, she seems rather cold and stupid.

If however you are a narcissist, and look to yourself first, suddenly she seems to make sense. If you really really want to be good, but don't want to put in the effort and sacrifice that it takes to be a good person, suddenly her appeal takes off. How wonderful it is to have greed and selfishness as virtues. These two factors are the easier ones to understand but there is a third one that grabs the young college republican type strongly. Ann Rand answers questions the way that they need them answered.

First some background,

This research supports the theory that conservatives are predisposed to think in black and white terms;
http://www.nyu.edu/public.affairs/releases/detail/1703

This research supports the theory that conservatives predisposed from birth to be that way;
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15534009/

If you combine the thoughts and imagine a child who is miserable whenever there is not a clear answer or solution it becomes clearer. This child is conditioned by his own brain to need clear definite answers. Assuming he is of reasonable intellect, he will become quite good at rationalizing and will likely develop a split between his ethics and what everyone elses ethics should be.

For example, abortion. There is no ethical stand that can be taken here. Anyone rational can shoot holes in any stance that can be taken on the subject. The individual who needs a black and white answer will be drawn to the moral high ground for others, and the convenient choice for themselves. Neither of these choices are really driven by ethical ramifications.

This mindset is very much the Ann Rand mindset. Her bizarre philosophy will likely give them tools to resolve some of their conflicts. They are conditioned from birth to need black and white answers, in a world filled with wondrous colors. In a very real sense, these folk are retarded. I pity them, but I don't want them to make decisions for the rest of us.





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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:51 AM
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10. Well put
I'm familiar with the research (John W. Dean's books got me interested) but I hadn't thought of it that way. If we look at it that way then, we are left with a comfortable fit between what Rand was saying and what her supporters tended to believe anyway.

Well said, sir.
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PurgedVoter Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:16 AM
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12. Personally , I think Thatcher was much more convincing.
You actually had to think and do research to shoot her down. Right or wrong she rarely lost a point in a debate. I suspect that in a debate, however, George Galloway today, could have shot her down in her prime.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:58 AM
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14. Not sure about that
Thatcher had such iron confidence that she could assert black was white and then batter her disputant into submission on sheer force of personality. I can vivedly remember her responding to a criticism by one of her government (the firebreathing Jim Pryor, if memory serves) by saying "I think Jim made a mistake and I think Jim's very sorry" while Pryor was sat right beside her.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:55 PM
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13. Speaking of movies...
...Angelina Jolie will be starring in a movie version of Atlas Shrugged due out in sometime in 2008, check back here for the exact date, whenever they figure out when that will be.


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