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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 01:29 PM
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Artificial Intelligence?: The ethics of Provigil (Viagra for the brain)
This is a fascinating little essay by British writer Johann Hari about his experiment taking Provigil. Has anyone in this forum tried it? Any thoughts about whether this is good or bad or indifferent?


http://www.johannhari.com/archive/article.php?id=1298


My experiment with smart drugs
Viagra for the brain?



It was in March, in the drizzle, that I realized my brain was burned out. Like a rusty engine, I could hear it chug-chug and splutter – but it would never quite start running at top speed. I had just come back from a rough month-long work-trip to Bangladesh, and I had an Everest of work in front of me. It was all fascinating, and all urgent – but I was plodding though it at half my normal speed. I needed to be performing at my best; instead I was at my worst. I stared at the London rain from my window, and slogged on.

That’s when I stumbled across a small story in an American scientific magazine. It said there was a spiky debate across America’s universities about the increasing use by students of a drug called Progivil. It was, they said, Viagra for the brain. It was originally designed for narcoleptics in the seventies, but clinical trials had stumbled across something odd: if you give it to non-narcoleptics, they just become smarter. Their memory and concentration improves considerably, and so does their IQ.

It’s not an amphetamine or stimulant, the article explained: it doesn’t make you high, or wired. It seems to work by restricting the parts of your brain that make you sluggish or sleepy. No significant negative effects have been discovered. Now students are using it in the run-up to exams as a “smart drug” – a steroid for the mind.

It sounded perfect. A few clicks on-line and I found I could order it from a foreign pharmacy, just £30 for a month’s supply. I called a friend who is a GP, and told her what I was thinking of. She’d heard of people using the drug, and went away and looked up the details. “I think it’s a stupid thing to do, because you shouldn’t ever take drugs you don’t need,” she said when she called back. “Do I think it’ll seriously harm you? No, I don’t. But you’d be much better off taking a long holiday than narcolepsy pills.” Then she warned me: “There is one known side-effect.” Oh, damn I thought. A downside. “It often causes people to lose weight.” Are you mad? You become cleverer and thinner? I whipped out my Visa card immediately.

A week later, the little white pills arrived in the post. I sat down and took one 200mg tablet with a glass of water. It didn’t seem odd: for years, I took an anti-depressant. Then I pottered about the flat for an hour, listening to music and tidying up, before sitting down on the settee. I picked up a book about quantum physics and super-string theory I have been meaning to read for ages, for a column I’m thinking of writing. It had been hanging over me, daring me to read it. Five hours later, I realised I had hit the last page. I looked up. It was getting dark outside. I was hungry. I hadn’t noticed anything, except the words I was reading, and they came in cool, clear passages; I didn’t stop or stumble once.

Perplexed, I got up, made a sandwich – and I was overcome with the urge to write an article that had been kicking around my subconscious for months. It rushed out of me in a few hours, and it was better than usual. My mood wasn’t any different; I wasn’t high. My heart wasn’t beating any faster. I was just able to glide into a state of concentration – deep, cool, effortless concentration. It was like I had opened a window in my brain and all the stuffy air had seeped out, to be replaced by a calm breeze.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 01:34 PM
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1. never tried it
When I need to study I take DMAE, bacopa and piracetam together. That seems to help.
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BonnieJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 01:39 PM
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2. How fabulous!!!
Where can I get some?
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joneschick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 01:42 PM
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3. never heard of it
definitely bookmarking. thanx. :hi:
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 01:48 PM
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4. Dang that would come in handy now
Wonder if it's addictive.
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Sundoggy Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:04 PM
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9. Naaah
Edited on Thu May-15-08 02:08 PM by Sundoggy
Ever read Flowers for Algernon?
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:58 PM
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13. A long time ago, but I don't think I'd understand it if I read it now
That's a little joke.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 01:51 PM
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5. Side effects:
http://health.yahoo.com/sleep-medications/modafinil/healthwise--d04378a1.html#d04378a1-sideeffects

Get emergency medical help if you have any of these signs of an allergic reaction: hives; difficulty breathing; swelling of your face, lips, tongue, or throat.

Stop using modafinil and call your doctor at once if you have any of these serious side effects:
fever, sore throat, headache, and vomiting with a severe blistering, peeling, and red skin rash;
bruising, severe tingling, numbness, pain, muscle weakness;
easy bruising or bleeding;
white patches or sores inside your mouth or on your lips;
hallucinations, unusual thoughts or behavior;
depression, anxiety; or
chest pain, uneven heart beats.
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 01:53 PM
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6. Yep.
Not as effective as my doc wanted. Still sleepy, no concentration.
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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:01 PM
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7. I remember someone here, saying they use it for MS and I wondered,
if it would help Migraines...?
It's very hard to concentrate or even see straight, with pain surging through my eye and temple...

Also,I wonder if it could help, Epilepsy?

There's many disorders that cause weakness and lack of concentration--

Thank you for your very informative post!:kick:

Bookmarked for further research. :yourock:
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:01 PM
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8. My husband takes it
For MS related fatigue. It really helps. It seems to clear his mind as well, especially on bad days. Of course we had to fight the insurance companies, as he also gets Ritalin for a narcolepsy type disorder related to the MS. The insurance company said that studies showing use of ritalin and provigil together show no additional benefit or some such blather.

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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:04 PM
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10. Isn't provigil essentially meth? nt
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:38 PM
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11. Contact your doctor if you experience profound thoughts for longer than 4 hours...
:evilgrin:
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Sundoggy Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:52 PM
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12. ...as this could be a sign of a serious condition called...
...becoming a Democrat.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 03:08 PM
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14. Well done Sundoggy!
:applause:
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