You can now take your gun into restaurants & on MARTA in Ga!

[napi21]

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2008/05/12/daily82.html?f=et50&ana=e_du


Georgians with licenses to carry concealed firearms will be allowed to bring their guns into restaurants and onto MARTA trains under controversial legislation signed into law by Gov. Sonny Perdue Wednesday.

The bill, which was opposed by restaurant and public transportation industry leaders, will apply to about 300,000 Georgia with concealed-weapons permits.

It has been a top priority of the National Rifle Association in Georgia and other states.

OH BOY! lIKE THEY DON'T HAVE enough SHOOTINGS IN gA. ALREADY!

[coriolis]

1. Every time another state did this, the grabbers wailed "WILD WEST!"

"MASS MURDER IN THE STREETS"
"GUNFIGHT AT THE OK CORRAL"


None of it ever happened.

[depakid]

36. It happens every day all across America

People abroad look at American and their pathological obsession with firearms, violence and your prison system and think:

1. that you're nuts- and;

2. that you're cowardly.

And they're right on both counts.

[RedCappedBandit]

53. ...

:applause:

[Orsino]

81. None of that ever happened, except on the days that it did.

That's most days, in Georgia.

[bluestateguy]

2. I was introduced to MARTA by some racist ex-friends of my parents in Georgia

They called it "Moving Africans Rapidly Through Atlanta".

Like I said, my parents no longer consider them friends.

[hisownpetard]

3. I'll bet you don't have to ask twice for a cup of coffee, though.

[wtmusic]

4. Careful...the waitresses are packin' too. nt

[hisownpetard]

13. So, no clinking on the water glass with your knife, eh?

[MadHound]

5. Once more we see that the gun nuts are willing to sacrifice the rest of the Constitution

All to insure their right to carry their precious widdle security blanket anywhere and everywhere. What about the business owner's right to keep guns off his property?

[aikoaiko]

10. They can still post signs not allowing guns. Business rights still secure.

[lame54]

44. Who's going to enforce it?

[aikoaiko]

55. The same way one would enforce it before the law -- someone would have to notice the gun

and then confront the person and/or call the police.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

42. Umm a private entity (business) can post signs ordering no guns

You're on the wrong side of the 'people sacrificing the constitution' argument here..

[devilgrrl]

6. This is awesome, I get so nervous around the salad bar, I now have an option to confront my fear.

:popcorn:

[marmar]

7. On rapid transit? Good grief.....

..... I'm just waiting for the first incident in which someone sets the guns a'blazin' cause someone trips over his foot on the subway. This country is embarassingly idiotic.

[krispos42]

46. Pssst... your ignorance is showing

Might want to fix that a little.

[marmar]

59. Pssst....Opinions are like assholes....Everybody has one.

Ignorance is in the eye of the beholder, n'est-ce pas?

[krispos42]

64. But unlike the minds of the willfully, deliberately ignorant...

...exerybody's asshole opens up once in a while to let the shit out.

[marmar]

65. Did you come up with that one all on your own?

:eyes:

[krispos42]

66. What can I say?

You're inspiring.

[aikoaiko]

8. Actually, you already could go to restaurants (just not the the ones that sell alcohol)

Persons with a Georgia Firearm license still can't drink while carry at restaurants, parks, home or anywhere.

I have GFL and I'm glad for the change in law. Previous, you could even be arrested for leaving your gun in your car if you went into a restaurant that served alcohol.

[onehandle]

9. Five holstered guns guarantee me a seat on the train and a table in Any restaurant.

This is AWESOME!

[Buns_of_Fire]

15. "Reservations? We don't need no stinkin' RESERVATIONS!"

[Glorfindel]

11. Excuse me, is that a concealed handgun in your pocket?

Or are you just glad to see me? Poor Georgia; it's not the same place where I used to live. :evilgrin:

[DemoTex]

12. More business for Grady.

GSW central.

[gatorboy]

14. "I said OVER EASY!"

*click*

[KamaAina]

16. MARTA changes slogan from "Zoooooooom!" to "Blam! Blam! Blam!"

:eyes:

[colonel odis]

17. wow. didn't realize short dick-itis was such a problem in GA.

[Ghost in the Machine]

19. Wow... *another* gun grabber with a penis obsession... who woulda thunk it?

Do you have anything intelligent to add to the conversation, or do you prefer to stick to jingoism?

[colonel odis]

20. um, i'm not the one who feels i need to wear a gun into a restaurant. or who uses

the term "grabber."

don't be so defensive.

[Ghost in the Machine]

21. What, exactly, does owning or wearing a gun have to do with a penis?

Please provide studies and details that back up your claim. You spoke it, now prove it. You *do* have data & evidence, don't you?

Or, were you just trying to be "Mr. FunnyMan, the Class Clown" and mimmic something you've read before because it gave you the chance to use the word "penis" and have a little giggle while you were doing it?

I'm not being defensive... I'm just tired of reading bullshit like this here on this site. I thought... no, make that I KNOW that the intelligence level here is higher than that....

[colonel odis]

23. please don't tell me you drive an oversized SUV, too.

[Ghost in the Machine]

26. No, my Jeep Grand Cherokee is the perfect size for me & my family..

But I see you can't follow simple instructions and post some data to back up your claim...

I guess you're stuck with 8th Grade comebacks and a lack of any intelligent debate skills.

Oh well.... at least you don't share the same part of Tennessee with me..

I can't wait for your next witty lame comeback. Let me guess... will be something about owning a pitbull, too?

Thanks for playing...

Ghost

[michreject]

38. MOST replies in this thread

are made by those with the mentality of 5th graders. You're being generous with the 8th grade class.

[colonel odis]

40. what a coincidence. i drive a jeep grand cherokee, too.

i just don't need to pack a gun.

btw, just because you give me instructions .... that doesn't mean i'm required to follow them. not like you're holding a gun on me or anything.

[Ghost in the Machine]

41. So, we find some common ground here... that's a good start to building conversation

"i just don't need to pack a gun."

Ok, that's your *choice*... but what about the choices of those who do feel a *need* to pack a gun? Before I closed my restaurants, I traveled with large sums of cash daily. My money bag rode on my seat, with my pistol right on top of it... I'll be damned if some lazy, worthless douchebag was going to try to take it from me without a fight.

"btw, just because you give me instructions .... that doesn't mean i'm required to follow them."

No, but it does help you prove your point when you can back it up... otherwise it's nothing more than just pure hyperbole, and that takes away from open, honest, INFORMED debate/discussion...

"not like you're holding a gun on me or anything."

Yes I am! Give me all your money! NOW! ... or I'll shoot!


:hi:

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

43. You drive an SUV

Is the penis of the home really that small? :sarcasm:

[Ghost in the Machine]

18. "OH BOY! lIKE THEY DON'T HAVE enough SHOOTINGS IN gA. ALREADY!"

Ummm... please provide statistics showing the number of shootings committed by citizens whose guns are *licensed and legally owned*.

Thanks...

Ghost

[ProdigalJunkMail]

39. shhh...you'll upset their fun with facts... n/t

[alarimer]

22. Fucking paranoid pieces of shit

I hate gun nuts.

[aikoaiko]

25. Clearly there are some anti-gun wussies just as paranoid -- screaming about blood in the streets

with the passage of this new law.

[matt007]

28. me too dude me too

its like adding gasoline to a fire hoping it will burn itself out.

[Wizard777]

24. In Kenesaw Ga. The head of household is required by law to own a gun.

[matt007]

29. Thats an anachronism

just like the entire second amendment...............i mean we dont argue about quartering soldiers.

[krispos42]

47. The Third Amendment was used legally about 25 years ago...

...in a case involving prison guards on strike in New York. The striking guards were forced from their on-prison apartments to make room for scabs. The striking guards sued over a violation of their Third Amendment rights.



And won.

One of the few times a Federal court was asked to invalidate a law or action on Third Amendment grounds was in Engblom v. Carey, decided by the Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in 1982. In 1979, prison officials in New York organized a strike; they were evicted from their prison facility residences, which were reassigned to members of the National Guard who had temporarily taken their place as prison guards. The prison officials' Third Amendment claims were summarily rejected on the ground that they were not owners of the residences. On appeal, however, the term "owner" was construed more broadly. Since there existed no Supreme Court precedents on the Third Amendment, the Circuit Court of Appeals relied on rulings relating to the Fourth Amendment, as both Amendments relate to what are considered privacy rights (the former to quartering, the latter to search and seizure). It was noted that the Supreme Court had rejected notions that Fourth Amendment protections extended only to owners of property, that Court having ruled that "one who owns or lawfully possesses or controls property will in all likelihood have a legitimate expectation of privacy." Similarly, the Circuit Court extended Third Amendment protections to tenants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

And it's not only the Second amendment that protects the right to keep and bear arms.

[RebelOne]

37. But it is not really enforced. I lived in Kennesaw.

[matt007]

27. NO BADGE NO GUN

shits complex enough without hundreds of wildcards walking around with guns.

[beevul]

30. Ahh yes...the "only cops should have guns" mantra...

Denver cop arrested in teen beating
Teen alleges excessive force by gang bureau officer
By Christopher N. Osher
The Denver Post
Article Last Updated: 05/09/2008 06:07:16 AM MDT

A 12-year veteran of the Denver Police Department was arrested Thursday on a felony charge of second-degree assault after accusations that he used excessive force against a 16-year-old.

The suspension is in connection with alleged excessive force against Juan "Willie" Vasquez, who suffered a lacerated liver, kidney injuries and broken ribs on April 18 near West 37th Avenue and Pecos Street.

Vasquez has undergone at least two surgeries at Denver Health Medical Center and still has a tube inserted into his back to expel bodily fluids, said his brother Felipe Vasquez, 27.

"He said they jumped on him with both feet," the brother said. "He said they beat him and hit him with a flashlight, and they left him there and gave each other high-fives, and then the ambulance came. Then they said, 'What happened, did you fall?' "

http://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_9199406?source=commented-news

Ready to reconsider your line of thinking yet?

No you say?

(watch the video at link)

Police Beating of Suspects Is Taped by TV Station in Philadelphia

PHILADELPHIA — About 12 police officers were videotaped on Monday beating three men stopped in response to a drug-related shooting, and six of the officers have been removed from patrols, Police Commissioner Charles H. Ramsey said Wednesday.

In the incident, captured by a Fox TV helicopter, officers surrounded a car carrying the three men. They were pulled from the car, and two were kicked and punched on the ground by officers on the driver’s side. The third man was beaten by other officers on the passenger side.

The beating victims, all from North Philadelphia, have all been charged with assault, conspiracy and recklessly endangering another person. D. Scott Perrine, a lawyer for the three, called the incident a blatant example of police brutality.

“We have not seen stuff like this since the 1960s and the 1970s in Philadelphia,” Mr. Perrine said. “These officers are criminals, and they should be prosecuted.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/us/08philadelphia.html?em&ex=1210392000&en=6ee6cc019bc5991c&ei=5087%0A

Especially under the current government, its completely puzzling how anyone in thier right mind would want only "authorities" to have guns.

[matt007]

31. Cops are trained....not perfect but better than Joe average who is armed

Training plus discretion. I know Police Officers are not all good. Better than most. Guns just add more uncertainty and dangerous wildcards to already unstable situations. Look up the word "escalation" .

I see you are good at finding articles. Thats nice. Go look up school shooting, accidental shooting, violent crime reports, and Ruby Ridge and Waco Tx. No hero with a gun stories there lol

[beevul]

32. Have you been hiding under a rock?

http://www.summitdaily.com/article/20080417/NEWS/956466383

- The House and Senate honored Jeanne Assam, the volunteer security guard who wounded gunman Matthew Murray at New Life Church in Colorado Springs.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_7684728

Guard's hands "didn't even shake" as she shot gunman
By Electa Draper The Denver Post

Article Last Updated: 12/24/2007 09:08:13 AM MST

COLORADO SPRINGS — Amid deafening cracks of gunfire, smoke-spewing canisters and the flight of thousands of New Life Church members, Jeanne Assam said she suddenly saw the hallways clear and a gunman come through the door.

"I took cover. I identified myself. I engaged him. I took him down," the 42-year-old former law officer and volunteer church security guard said Monday at a news conference in the Colorado Springs police station.

Keep in mind, she was a VOLUNTEER security guard. Not a professional.


"I see you are good at finding articles. Thats nice. Go look up school shooting, accidental shooting, violent crime reports, and Ruby Ridge and Waco Tx. No hero with a gun stories there lol"


See...the thing is, when I look up school shootings, all I come up with is ones that happened in "gun free zones".

When I look up accidental shootings, I find very few compared with the 80+ million gun owners and the 280 + million guns they own.

When I look upviolent crime reports, I see all kinds of things firearm related and not.

When I look up waco, all I can find is reports of 74 men, women and children dieing of burning to death and by CS gas, both caused by men with badges. In case you didn't know, that photo is of a child exposed to massive amounts of CS gas:


:



And when I look up ruby ridge, I come up with the name "lon Horiuchi" another man with a badge that assasinated an unarmed woman and her infant child through a sniper scope.


Now, you were saying?

[matt007]

34. So you trust average citizens armed rather than law enf.?

Where did someone with a gun actually STOP a school shooting?

Violent crime involving guns amplifies it greatly. I used to live in London....never had to worry about gun robbery etc there.

Now i'm in New Orleans. Totally different. Guns. Big difference. After the storm EVERYONE had guns. It made things much less safe. Plenty of people with nothing to do but feel big because they were armed. White and black pointing theirs at each other. Hearsay, mistrust. If guns were removed from the situation the aftermath would have been alot better. trust me.

Waco and Ruby Ridge wouldnt have happened if they werent illegally stocking automatic weopons etc. They broke the law by hording dangerous things and escalated the situation. You never did look up that word.

[beevul]

35. Slightly...because law enf can ruin your life as well as take it.

Slightly...because law enf can ruin your life as well as take it. Ask randy weaver.

"Where did someone with a gun actually STOP a school shooting?"

Recently:


Eyewitness: School 'like slaughterhouse'

One of the students, Yitzhak Dadon, said the attacker was wearing torn jeans and fired at the students with a Kalashnikov assault rifle. Mr Dadon said he shot the attacker twice in the head, wounding him.

"I laid on the roof of the study hall, cocked my gun and waited for him. He came out of the library spraying automatic fire," he said.

"I shot him twice in the head. He started to sway and then someone else with a rifle fired at him, and he died."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7282542.stm

Less recent:

Woodham drove his mother's car to his high school. Wearing a long trenchcoat, he made no attempt to hide his rifle. When he entered the school, he walked toward Lydia Dew and shot Dew and Christina Menefee, his former girlfriend. Both girls died. Pearl High School Band director, Jeff Cannon, was standing 5 feet from Dew when she was fatally shot. He went on to wound 7 others before Joel Myrick, the assistant principal, retrieved a .45 pistol from the glove compartment of his truck and subdued Woodham while he was trying to drive off campus. When Myrick asked Woodham of his motive, he replied "Life has wronged me, sir". Woodham had been planning to drive to the Pearl Middle School to continue killing; Myrick's intervention prevented this from happening.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_High_School_shooting


Beyond that, generally, schools are "gun free zones" (free fire zones for those with ill intent - see the VT massacre for example).

"Now i'm in New Orleans. Totally different. Guns. Big difference. After the storm EVERYONE had guns. It made things much less safe. Plenty of people with nothing to do but feel big because they were armed. White and black pointing theirs at each other. Hearsay, mistrust. If guns were removed from the situation the aftermath would have been alot better. trust me."


Now I know your full of it. Guns were confiscated after katrina.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=009_1190698324

"Waco and Ruby Ridge wouldnt have happened if they werent illegally stocking automatic weopons etc. They broke the law by hording dangerous things and escalated the situation. You never did look up that word."


You don't know at all what your talking about. Weaver was set up, then they screwed up and mailed him the wrong court date, then they opened fire on the weavers dog after it detected them WITHOUT announcing who they were. They then killed ANOTHER child - sammy weaver. They shot him in the BACK by the way. There were no "automatic weapons" involved except maybe on the part of the people with badges you insist should be the only ones with guns.

As far as waco goes...you apparently don't have all the facts. I am not going to sit here, and give them to you. Nor am I going to claim that the branch dividians were angels. You tell me though...does stockpiling firearms, even illegal ones, merit the death penalty for women and children?


A bonus for you:

Residents challenge chief on shooting / Claim Hansen was pointing gun at class before it fired

Tuesday, May 6, 2008
By CHARLIE POMERLEAU
Standard-Examiner staff

RIVERDALE -- Witnesses to Police Chief Dave Hansen's self-inflicted gunshot wound accuse officials of trying to cover up for the chief through the official version of events released to the news media.

Two West Haven residents attending the concealed weapons permit class Hansen taught Saturday told the Standard-Examiner on Monday that Hansen was extremely careless while handling the loaded Glock 40 pistol before the shooting.

They said police responding to the incident ignored the dozen people at the class until hours later, not even asking if anyone else had been hit by a bullet or shrapnel.

"It's all a bunch of lies, and they're trying to cover up what really happened," said Lewis Walker, who attended the class with his wife and friends.

http://www.standard.net/live.php/news/132317/

That wasn't some average officer, it was the chief of police.

Now its your turn.

Guns are the problem you say. Show me some gun shows where shootouts happened. Or some shootouts in gun stores.

Show me that in spite of the fact that there are 13-ish thousand gun homicides in America, that the 280+ million guns in the hands of 80+ million people are the problem.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

51. Why the false choice?

"So you trust average citizens armed rather than law enf.?"

I trust them about the same

"I used to live in London....never had to worry about gun robbery etc there."

Right thats why its the panacea where they now have to consider banning blades as well..

--

BTW youre not making your case

Waco and Ruby Ridge wouldn't have happened if they weren't ** illegally ** stocking automatic weopons etc.

So the problem is not people who follow the gun laws we have its the ones who break them... BTW nice way to excuse excessive force at Waco and RR....

[LanternWaste]

45. Rather than anecdotal evidence

Rather than anecdotal evidence, I'm sure you can provide us with peer-reviewed statistics of law enforcement v. civilian accidental deaths, accidental discharges, negligent homicides, murder (I, II and III), etc. yes? So that we may compare and contrast the two rates...

Because (and I say this only for me) anecdotal evidence is hardly worth consideration with the sample sizes being as large as they are...

[Bethesda Home]

48. Lawn sign

There is a RW talk show host in GA rhat dares anyone who is against gun owenership to put a sign on their lawn saying: "There are no guns in this house".

But I've never seen that sign.

I have a sign by my front steps that says: "Protected by Smith and wesson".

But I don't have a S&W; mine are a Kimber .45 and a USMC issued Colt .45 that my father carried in WWII.

What I carry is a Beretta U22 Neos .22 (much easier to conceal).

[LanternWaste]

52. I'll give it all the consideration it's due...

More anecdotal evidence-- I'll give it all the consideration it's due...

But... at least you're advertising that you own a firearm-- easier for me to avoid you that way ('cause I try to avoid gun owners, hunters, neo-cons, people without a sense of humor and people wearing khaki shorts and black socks...)

[zanne]

72. I used to know an old geezer up north who had one of those signs...

Lonely old grubber. Even his grandchildren wouldn't go near him.

[beevul]

54. I'll play.

Lets start here:


There are some 13-ish thousand gun nhomicides in the US anually.

There are some 80 + million gun owners in possession of some 280+ million firearms.

There are some 80,000 LEO in america.


There would have to be a thousand average joe accidents for every one leo for it to be proportional.

If I can find say 100 leo accidents id have to find 100,000 average joe accidents for it to be proportional.

But thats getting ahead of my original point.


There are some 13-ish thousand gun nhomicides in the US anually.

There are some 80 + million gun owners in possession of some 280+ million firearms.

Why are they the problem?

[TreasonousBastard]

69. Do we have to define "former law officer"? And you bring up...

Waco?

Most of us here have ACLU, not militia, membership cards.

[beevul]

74. Actually...

The poster I was replying to brought up waco.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

49. Right screw individulas only our overloards should have Guns..

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50. It was far better just allowing criminals to carry guns.

Criminals aren't required to have a carry permit nor are they required to have any training in the use of firearms for personal defense. Yes, this is a terrible development for public safety in Georgia. Why should law abiding trained citizens be allowed to carry a handgun? It endangers EVERY criminal out there just trying to earn a living.

[spin]

61. Very good post! We must save the criminals at all costs.

[aikoaiko]

56. This is an example of why the new law is a good one.

This event happened in Milwaukee, but it just as easily could have happened in ATL, Macon, Savannah, or some other public bus.

Caught on Video: Bus Driver Beaten By Masked Attacker
linky
Last Update: 5/16 2:16 pm

Police are searching for man who attacked a bus driver in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Authorities released shocking surveillance video in hopes of catching a suspect.

Milwaukee County sheriff's deputies said the bus driver drove about two blocks while being punched repeatedly, before the attacker turned the steering wheel and stepped on the accelerator.

The bus eventually crashed. That's when the attacker finally ran away.

The driver suffered minor injuries.

[ulysses]

57. an armed passenger would have done what, exactly?

Announced in a clear voice that he was armed and set things aright? Picked off the perp cleanly from the back seat? What?

[aikoaiko]

58. Well, I think it is likely the thug would have stopped beating the driver if someone confronted him.

...especially while armed. And if he didn't and continued to endanger everyone on board by stepping the accelerator, then yes, using lethal force could have been used to stop the thug.

[michreject]

67. Actually you don't announce anything

You just shoot and keep shooting until the threat is stopped.

[ulysses]

71. all things being equal,

I believe I'd rather take my chances with the bus careening out of control without someone laying down suppression fire from the aisle.

But that's me.

[aikoaiko]

73. I understand your perspective.

I, on the other hand, would not depend on the good will or incompetence of a violent thug.

[michreject]

79. Not supression but shooting to kill

There's a difference.

[ulysses]

80. my bad. all things being equal,

I think I'd rather be on a bus careening wildly out of control, with some whackjob beating up the driver, than on a bus careening wildly out of control, with some whackjob beating up the driver AND one or more of the junior constabulary laying down fire of whatever kind from the aisle.

FWIW - I'm more moderate on gun control than I am on probably any other topic you can name. I'm familiar enough with a variety of guns to not fear them. In fact, I'm a decent shot. However, given the above or nearly any other scenario in which it is argued that an armed citizenry can put a quick stop to the given wrongdoing, I strongly suspect that, given the pressures of the moment and what I've observed of the psychology of those likely to openly carry guns in routine daily situations, their presence would increase the likelihood of a bystander being hurt by at least 100% - and the likelihood of the crime's victim being killed by "friendly fire" by a much greater amount.

[benEzra]

90. I think the Colorado Springs church shooting is a good counterexample.

FWIW - I'm more moderate on gun control than I am on probably any other topic you can name. I'm familiar enough with a variety of guns to not fear them. In fact, I'm a decent shot. However, given the above or nearly any other scenario in which it is argued that an armed citizenry can put a quick stop to the given wrongdoing, I strongly suspect that, given the pressures of the moment and what I've observed of the psychology of those likely to openly carry guns in routine daily situations, their presence would increase the likelihood of a bystander being hurt by at least 100% - and the likelihood of the crime's victim being killed by "friendly fire" by a much greater amount.

I think the Colorado Springs church shooting is a good counterexample, I think. The woman who stopped those murders hit no one but the murderer, and dropped him, even though he was shooting back. She was a parishioner with a CHL and a personally owned Beretta, not an official security guard, though you'd never have known that from most of the news reports.

FWIW, those of us who are licensed to carry guns in "routine daily situations" don't generally carry them openly, as there is no reason to (and plenty of reason not to).

I think I'd rather be on a bus careening wildly out of control, with some whackjob beating up the driver, than on a bus careening wildly out of control, with some whackjob beating up the driver AND one or more of the junior constabulary laying down fire of whatever kind from the aisle.

Not sure what scenario you're referring to, but if I were in that situation, with a gun, I wouldn't be "laying down fire."

The biggest issue here isn't carrying on the bus; it's that if you can't have the gun on MARTA, you can't have it later when you're walking from your home or place of work to the station at 1:00am, either.

[Elidor]

60. Georgia gets to be the social studies experiment for the rest of the nation

Which is a scary thought all by itself.

As a former long-time MARTA rider, I can't imagine adding guns to the experience. It just boggles the mind. It sounds like the setup for a bad Quentin Tarantino movie.

[spin]

62. Probably nothing exciting will happen...

When you ride, you will have no idea of who is carrying. Concealed weapons permits holders have an extremely low crime rate so there's little chance they will create any disturbances.

The real criminals might decide not to create a problem on MARTA, since they have no idea who's carrying either.

Might well prove to be a safer ride for everybody in the future.

[Irreverend IX]

78. This may be new for Georgia...

But in many states, like Vermont and Washington, concealed guns have been allowed on buses and in restaurants for years, and somehow those states have managed to be among the least violent in the country.

[benEzra]

83. No, they're just joining the rest of the nation. (n/t)

[-..__...]

63. The beauty behind this...

isn't so much that this is a victory for Georgians to exercise their constitutional rights,... it's the 'another nail in the coffin' of gun control that has me guffawing.

When was the last time the Brady Campaign and their ilk scored on any significant legislation?
Or, even minor ones?

Squawk about it all you want. Gun control legislation is a fools and losers issue.

[Redneck Socialist]

68. AND BLOOD WILL RUN IN THE STREETS!!!111111ELEVENTY11

OH NOES! TEH HORRORS1111!!!

Oh, wait a minute, blood hasn't filled the streets of all the other states that allow concealed carry in those places. Well shit, that's boring. Running around in circles, waving your arms in the air while yelling hysterically is so much fun too. x(

[TreasonousBastard]

70. So, while some cities are fooling around with...

backpack searches for terrorist bombs on the trains, Georgia lets good ol' boys pack.

Is the nation now officially insane?

[Wcross]

75. I believe the law allows any concealed carry permit holder to carry.

I don't understand the "good ol' boys" reference. Should a woman be denied the right to carry if she uses regional transit? Should an African American be denied his or her right to self defense just because they use regional transit?
Believe it or not Georgia is a "shall issue" State. If there are no grounds for denial such as a felony arrest record or mental illness the state must issue the permit. Even to blacks & women! Imagine that.

[avenger64]

77. I guess what you take for 'good 'ol boys' , I think are ...

... law-abiding citizens exercising their right to defend themselves. I also smell some possible racism.

[avenger64]

76. Yeah, well hopefully it's the bad guys who will be getting shot now...

... the reason we don't have public transit in the South is because people don't want to be harassed or robbed by miscreants. Maybe if some of these freaks know they might get shot, they'll cut the s***.

a couple of examples. Taken from MARTA: http://www.break.com/index/crazy-subway-girl.html

Thug attacks bus driver (at about :30) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lTifYPsCr8

Woman beaten on baltimore bus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC2xBfffvdQ

[benEzra]

82. So?

The only people it applies to are people licensed by the state to carry a weapon, not to anyone with a gun. Statistically, CHL holders have a lower rate of violent crime than even the police, and most states already allow duly licensed individuals to carry in restaurants and elsewhere in public, as long as they are not drinking.

I hold a CHL that is recognized by the state of Georgia. To obtain it, I had to pass a Federal background check, a state background check, a mental health records check, have my prints run by the FBI (clean), take a class on self-defense law using a state-approved curriculum, pass a written test on same administered by the sheriff's office, and demonstrate competence with a handgun on a shooting range, live fire. I can pass the state police firearm qualification of most states, if it makes you feel better. There are also minimum age requirements, generally ranging from 21 to 25 depending on the state.

[old mark]

84. I take at least one everywhere I go anyway

I just hide them and don't tell anyone.

mark

[KansDem]

85. Just curious, but *why* would you want to take a gun into a restaurant?

Not looking for a flame war, but what is the reasoning for doing this?

on edit: I do own a S&W .357, but really have no desire to take it into a restaurant...

[benEzra]

89. If you are authorized to carry a firearm, removing it in plain sight of everyone

and leaving it in your car is not a good idea from a theft standpoint, if the parking garage/parking lot is not immediately adjacent to the restaurant. If you are authorized to carry a firearm, it only makes sense that it stay with you; otherwise, what's the point?

FWIW, the Trolley Square mall shooting was stopped by an off-duty police officer who was out having a meal with his wife at a restaurant. There is no more reason for an OFF duty LEO to carry than a similarly competent non-LEO, yet his having that gun was by every account a Very Good Thing.

[Blue_Tires]

86. hmm...I wonder if someone could carry in the governor's mansion?

part of me is amused, because the average CC person living out in the exurbs wouldn't normally take MARTA with a gun to their heads (pardon the bad pun)...and even then, they just go to the airport or turner field.

there has been a lot of loosening of CC legislation recently...i have a morbid fascination to see how much farther it can go...

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

87. Soooo....

The Party Of Individual Rights and Small Government has just told every small business owner in the State of Georgia that they do not, in fact, have the right to control what goes in inside their own businesses and on their own property.

How quaint.

[benEzra]

88. Huh? Restaurants can still NOT allow guns.

Prior to the current change of the law, any restaurant with a wine list did not have the choice, though; guns were prohibited regardless of the owner's wishes. Now, it's up to the owner.

So, based on your property-rights argument, this would be a positive change.

[pipoman]

91. If you were

a criminal in Georgia and knew that restaurants and the transit system prohibited law abiding people from carrying defensive guns, and most other places allowed defensive weapons where would you go to work?

The same could be asked of those business owners who choose to put out the "no guns" sign, it is almost certain that law abiding people inside the business will not be armed, would you target stores with or without the sign in the window?