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Earth Bound Misfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 06:42 AM
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Does anyone else here find it OFFENSIVE?--cross posted from Labor Forum
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=367x11043

I hadn't noticed the ads at the bottom of some of the threads in the Labor forum for "The Burke Group" and other "Union Avoidance" firms until today. This from Wikipedia:

The Burke Group (TBG Labor for short) is a Malibu based American management consultancy, established in 1982. It is the largest management consultancy for "union avoidance and preventative industrial labor relations." TBG offers advice to employers and services on keeping workplaces "union free", also known as the practice of union busting.

Does anyone else here find it OFFENSIVE to have ads for such "consultants" displayed on a LABOR FORUM?
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 06:44 AM
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1. Yes
I was unaware of the ads because I have them turned off. However, it is good to know that these entities are wasting their money on this site.
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Earth Bound Misfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 06:51 AM
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2. I'm a "newbie", still stumblin' around this site...
How do you turn off the ads? :dunce:

:hi:

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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 07:20 AM
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3. If you are contributor
then you have a choice of turning off the ads.
There's a fund raiser going on -- why don't you contribute $10? You get to turn off the ads and help the site meet its goal.
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Earth Bound Misfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 07:50 AM
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6. I know it sounds cliche but the check REALLY is in the mail
:hi: Hello all!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 07:21 AM
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4. Click on it and waste their money, while making money for DU. n/t
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Earth Bound Misfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 07:52 AM
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7. LOL n/t
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 07:46 AM
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5. What's next?: 'Death Squads R Us'? nt
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 07:52 AM
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8. Why would anyone find it offensive? The ads are randomly generated based on key words.
Jesus, people. Calm down.
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Earth Bound Misfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 07:59 AM
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9. DUUHH, that makes sense...
Edited on Sun May-18-08 08:02 AM by Earth Bound Misfit
:blush:




Edit for picture
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 08:59 AM
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10. Is the Burke Group Mark Penn's firm? (n/t)
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Earth Bound Misfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 10:42 AM
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12. Penn's firm is Burson-Marsteller....
A little about B-M From SOURCEWATCH:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Burson-Marsteller#Blackwater_USA

In May, 2007, the Nation magazine ran an article about the relationship between Burson-Marsteller's top executive world-wide, Mark Penn, and Hillary Clinton. "As Hillary Clinton charges toward the Democratic nomination for President, her campaign has a coterie of influential advisers. ... But perhaps the most important figure in the campaign is her pollster and chief strategist, Mark Penn, a combative workaholic. ... Yet Penn is no ordinary pollster. Beyond his connections to the Clintons, he not only polls for America's biggest companies but also runs one of the world's premier PR agencies ."

The Wall Street Journal first reported on April 4, 2008, that Penn "met with Colombia's ambassador to the U.S. on Monday to discuss a bilateral free-trade agreement, a pact the presidential candidate (Clinton) opposes." Burson-Marsteller "has a contract with the South American nation to promote congressional approval of the trade deal." The New York Times later noted that Penn apologized for his conflict of loyalty saying "the meeting was an error in judgment."

--snip--

From Huffington Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/29/mark-penn-ties-drag-clint_n_89243.html

Mark Penn Ties Drag Clinton Down

As the Clinton campaign struggles to pull out of a potentially terminal nosedive just four days before the decisive Ohio and Texas primaries, much of the blame for the former First Lady's difficulties is falling on the shoulders of her controversial chief strategist, Mark Penn.

--snip--

Strategic and tactical fault-finding, however, miss the key point. Clinton's Mark Penn problem does not lie in the strategist's advice and counsel -- it lies in Penn himself.

As the CEO of powerhouse PR giant Burson-Marsteller, Penn heads a bipartisan corporate conglomerate specializing in influence peddling, lobbying, phony front groups, and manufactured hype. Penn, the network of companies that he oversees, and the corporations to which he answers, represent precisely what voters have come to dislike most violently about Washington: the relentless cultivation and manipulation of political connections to generate wealth for a handful of operatives, all at taxpayer expense and in blatant defiance of the public will.

--snip--

The problem Penn poses for the Clinton campaign is reflected in the numerous stories in the media about Penn's conflicts as CEO of Burson-Marsteller Worldwide, on the one hand, and as chief strategist for Hillary Clinton, on the other.

--snip--

Similarly, after Blackwater USA security guards killed 8 Iraqi civilians, the company turned to BKSH, a subsidiary of Penn's Burson-Marsteller, for strategic advice on how to minimize the negative impact of dealing with Congressional inquires.

Such conflicts only touch the surface. For the media, Burson-Marsteller and its affiliated companies could easily become a full-time beat pumping out a cascade of additional stories:

* The creation of such seemingly innocuous organizations as the National Smokers Alliance, European Women for HPV Testing, and the Coalition for Clean and Renewable Energy - organizations which are in fact the creation of corporations seeking to win lucrative support for contentious fights over smoking in public places, the promotion of highly-remunerative testing for a sexually transmitted human papilloma virus, and the expansion of nuclear power facilities.


* The laundry list of controversial Burson-Marsteller -- and its subsidiary BKSH -- clients includes US Smokeless (i.e., chewing) Tobacco, Johnnie Walker (distilled spirits), Morongo Casino Resort & Spa (gambling), Lockheed Martin (weapons), and Chevron Texaco (oil/gas) and Bristol Myers Squibb, GlaxoSmithKline, and Wyeth/Amgen (pharmaceutical).

--snip--

From the point of view of any news organization, Mark Penn, who has evolved from a relatively obscure Bill Clinton pollster into the helmsman of the Hillary Clinton campaign, is a walking, talking target -- an over-the-top example of the seductions of Washington, a lethal combination of political opportunism and corporate profiteering.


http://www.americablog.com/2008/02/mark-penns-tangled-corporate-web.html

Mark Penn's tangled corporate web: Clinton is a client; McCain is a client.

As has been widely reported, Hillary Clinton's top guru, Mark Penn, is leading the charge within the Clinton campaign to go aggressively negative against Obama. Besides the fact that Penn is the architect responsible for Hillary's presidential aspirations going from "inevitable" to being on life support, he is reportedly obsessed with destroying Obama. While it is understandable that Clinton's top adviser wants his client to win at all costs, going massively negative against Obama (or Hillary for that matter) risks damaging our candidate in the fall election against McCain. Unfortunately, this is something another "client" would welcome. That client is named John McCain.

Penn is the CEO of Burson-Marsteller, a DC public relations (PR) firm. Burson-Marsteller owns a subsidiary, BKSH. BKSH is run by Charlie Black. Black is a longtime Republican politico, and a top adviser for John McCain for President. And, as Think Progress notes, while Black is a volunteer on the McCain campaign, he views Mcain as his client and continues to take a paycheck from BKSH. JedReport dissected these relationships in a diary on DailyKos last night.

Much more after the jump...

And, Ari Berman wrote about this last spring:
A host of prominent Republicans fall under Penn's purview. B-M's Washington lobbying arm, BKSH & Associates, is run by Charlie Black, a leading GOP operative who maintains close ties to the White House, including Karl Rove, and was a partner with Lee Atwater, the consultant who crafted the Willie Horton smear campaign for George H.W. Bush in 1988. In recent years Black's clients have included the likes of Iraq's Ahmad Chalabi, the darling of the neocon right in the run-up to the war; Lockheed Martin; and Occidental Petroleum. In 2005 he landed a contract with the Lincoln Group, the disgraced PR firm that covertly placed US military propaganda in Iraqi news outlets.

Black is only one cannon in B-M's Republican arsenal.
Penn works for Clinton.

Black works for McCain.

And Black works for Penn.

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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 03:19 PM
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13. Thanks. I get confused.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 09:27 AM
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11. Ummm, in a word, YES. n/t
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