He who controls the message.... wins the war

[nadinbrzezinski]

There is this myth that nobody has taken over to the streets over the last seven years

Those of us who have gone out and protested know the truth... people have taken to the streets

So here is a sample of those... and some... surprise, surprise, come from the foreign press

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2765215.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7065975.stm

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1013-01.htm

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N02410338.htm

And this is but a small sample

There is more... we have even had tanks in the streets... either 2002 or 2003 in Los Angeles... but I cannot track that story down

Fact is that many now believe that we haven't had any marches... and that is mission accomplished

One of the lessons of the Vietnam Conflict, where those protests were at the top of national and local newscasts, was to control that message and make sure that those protests didn't figure anywhere in Corpo media land.

Many of us have asked, how do you change that dynamic? Oh and by the way, if anybody paid close attention to the coverage of the rally yesterday in Oregon... you didn't see the crowds in Teeevee. Care to tell me why?

Yes, he controls the past controls the future, and message control is essential in this war... and this is a war... a class war.

Oh and here are the tanks

http://www.infowars.net/Pages/Nov_04/111104_tanks.html

http://slapnose.com/archives/2004/11/11/what_harm_did_a_couple_of_tanks_ever_do_to_anyone/

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/11/118865_comment.php&h=216&w=288&sz=9&hl=en&start=9&um=1&tbnid=hIgtAVeouplFuM:&tbnh=86&tbnw=115&prev=/images%3Fq%3D2003%2Bantiwar%2Bprotests%2Bin%2Blos%2Bangeles%2Band%2Btanks%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den-us%26sa%3DN


Oh and before anybody says it, yes I know who alex jones is, why there is also a link to Indymedia

Why is it that there's no link to... the NYT? Why the silence? Control the message

[JuniperLea]

1. I witnessed the tanks in the streets of Los Angeles

Must have been 2003... I was working on the west side, on Wilshire, a few blocks down from the Federal bldg. Freaky. I hadn't seen that much force on the streets of Los Angeles since the 1992 riots... nothing quite as unnerving as armed National Guard rolling down your street... except for tanks in the road on your way to work

Don't forget that massive demonstration in New York... just before the current war, right?

I think we need to keep ourselves on the ready... I get the feeling we may need to organize something of this nature again. I'm not trusting that this upcoming election will go in the same direction it is now so clearly heading.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. I know, I know... I am voting but I am counting on the vote either

not counting or strangely either disappearing or going for McCain... seen this song before... in another country... and it is never pretty

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. By the way, thanks, your memory helped me find

tank links

And that should have been above the fold in every major paper in the states... I just love the sound of crickets in the morning

[JuniperLea]

8. Happy to help!

I'm always amazed, but never surprised, at the way our daily news is stacked. This weekend, for instance, none of the local news programs thought it important enough to give details on Senator Kennedy's health issue. The raking of both Dem candidates for president over hot coals was deemed exceedingly important, however, as was John McCain's little stint on SNL... Note to McCain... you really shouldn't mention the word "crazy"... ever...

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. After the elections perhaps he can retire to SNL

he was HILARIOUS... But I do not want a preznit to have a beer with

[Mountainman]

2. When enough people hurt enough they will demand and get change.

I knew the conservative movement was ending with the bush presidency back in 2000. The reason I knew this is because I know that the end result of putting conservative ideology in place is the destruction of the working class and the build up of the ruling wealthy class.

It has taken 7 years for people to stop believing in lies and start realizing what truth is. They had to really hurt for their eyes to be opened.

Change will come if not next year then in the not to distant future. All the right can do to stop it is to get rid of democracy in this country.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. That's ain't the point but the point is about message control

they have it... and anomie (read social isolation) is so deep that people actually believe some of this crap... there have never EVAH been any demonstrations since this war started

At which point I go HORSE SHIT!

As to a revolution... It will come... it is their choice whether it will be a traditional peaceful mess or a nasty pitchforks, tar and feathers kind of an affair (and yes I know I nice about that description)

[Mountainman]

12. My point is that there comes a time when the message no longer gets the intended result.

We are getting to that point. People get information in other ways and they compare what the see with what they are told. When the two don't jive they start to question the source. It takes people hurting enough to start questioning the message.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Yes, you are right

and the gas prices ain't helping any more

[NashVegas]

4. There Must've Been 400k in NYC and CNN Was Reporting Less Than 1/2 That

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Exactomundo

[JuniperLea]

10. This is very important! K&R!

I was thinking again about the war protest, and how I spent the entire day watching C-SPAN... well, I had the TV on all day anyway, and I checked in between loads of dishes, clothes, etc... and I had so much hope... surely the world was watching because it appeared the whole world was participating! I remember actually crying a couple of times.

Our forefathers knew the press was a very important piece of our freedom. Now the press in our country is owned by a few people... this should have never been allowed.

Before we can take back our country, we need to take back our press!

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. They need to be broken down from the large five monopolies to

itty bitty small local operations

And it has cost lives already as well

[uppityperson]

13. Indeed, thanks, k&r. The internets help, but aren't enough, and media indeed

doesn't cover enough.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. But many still don't see what is in front of them

we not only need to defeat the pubies but a corporatist system that is controlling every facet of the message

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. kick

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. kick

[Lilith Velkor]

18. The cops zapped a guy with a cattle prod in front of cameras from all the networks

None of them ever aired it.

I know I will never be believed. I don't care. It happened.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. I believe you... mostly seen some things that have never aired

In one case it was aired, but not by the original network... actually cute and funny story...

[mopinko]

20. my usual comment to the "he's a friend of bill ayers, the bomber" threads-

i wish i could be so brave as to fight the way that they fought. i really believe that we would still be in viet nam if no one had been willing to die, go to prison, or even to kill. sorry, but i think that is the way us murderous chimps are wired. i hope that we can end this one with the ballot instead of the bullet, but we have already lost too, too, too much.
i fear a billion polite demonstrators in the free speech pens is not going to end it.