Re Recount.. let's not forget the first part of Fahrenheit 911, and what happened.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qlgRvZMAt10

[Green Mountain Dem]

1. The biggest surprise.....

for me when I watched Recount last night was the Lieberman decision regarding the counting of the disputed military votes. Was he trying to tell us something even back then ??? I never realized the impact of that decision during the Florida mess.

[goclark]

4. I'm planning to watch it today

It's on DVR.

Will I get angry all over again?

I heard that it is slanted toward the Republican lies ~ am I right or wrong? :shrug:

[Bill219]

7. I wish I could have watched it

I hope that it will show up in the newsgroups soon

[goclark]

12. Me too

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

8. No doubt in my mind after watching last night, Lieberman was already bought and paid

for by the Repukes. If Gore won, and if god forbid anything happened to him in office, we might have had Pres. Lieberman. He would have taken us in the same direction as Shrub.

[goclark]

10. I didn't trust LIEberman from the time he was a candidate

The fix was in from the beginning.

I wonder if Gore realized it when it was too late?

Once again, odd that Gore was in the WH with HCBC ~ huum.

Clintons seem to always be in the mix.

[hisownpetard]

25. I could never stand that whiney hypocrite Lieberman, with the endless forehead.

[goclark]

2. Yep, and that will happen even if Clinton "wins" this election

It is all set to be the same way.

My friend was working in Ohio for Obama, he is a lawyer that has volunteered in every Primary/General for the last 20 years.

He emailed me from Ohio after the Primary there. He was exhausted when he got home and he was so angry. When I called him it was heart wrenching listening to a grown man cry.

He said the dirty tricks done by the Clinton Machine in the Primary were beyond any voter suppression tactics that he had witnessed.

This is a civil rights activist that walked with Dr. Martin L. King, went to jail with the King supporters and had dogs nipping at his feet.

Will it happen again, yes it will.

He got reports that Rendell and his gang stole PA by suppressing the votes there as well.

My friend was so disappointed after Ohio that he just couldn't work PA.

He told me that he had to get back to his job "defending known criminals" as a Trial Attorney because he just could not bear the voter suppression by the "unknown Democratic criminals" again.

[MissWaverly]

3. let's hope the Clintons just fade away

I am tired of the Bush/Clinton years and I think the country needs to move forward and
not look back. Yes, I do think there was dirty work in Ohio and PA but the Dean 50 state
strategy will bring in numbers they can't tweak in a few swing states, it will be like
the tide coming in so McCain can go ahead and name the Florida gov. as VP so Florida
will be compromised again, bring it on.

And yes I did see my vote for Kerry turn into a vote for Bush on a rigged machine
in 2004. And yes, I think that we can do it, and once Obama gets in, investigate
election rigging, investigate 2000, 2004 and the run-up to war in Iraq.

[goclark]

Thanks ~ I pray that our overwhelming numbers can beat back

the suppression this time.

I am so nuts that I dream all these crazy ideas.... Things like people that go into the Polls and vote for OBAMA in "suspicious suppression" polling places in the United States could certify that they voted for him.

When they come out,they line up at a table within legal limits of the polling place.

They sign a legal document that they voted for OBAMA and they are given a sticky badge that they can wear all that day.

The badge will have a number and say "I voted for OBAMA, Precinct #12."

If they vote by mail, they can bring their marked voting sample ballot and sign that that is how they voted.

They too would get a number and wear a sticky badge.

When the votes are tallied, they would all gather in a park in the area and see if their numbers in any way matched the "totals" reported.

At the very least it would put the tricksters on notice that we know they lied.

I can dream can't I? :patriot:

[MissWaverly]

13. I donated $200 to the Greens for recount in 2004

it went nowhere, we now have documentation that a few well meaning clerks rigged the recount, they were prosecuted, game, set, match. But I think the only way is to have an investigation, bring in those involved, and make them accountable. John W. FatCat is not going to want to do jail time. The problem is that they see mucking around in elections as justified and what they are supposed to do. It is seen as a prank, a dirty trick and not the crime that it is. I hope they have got their bellyful over the last 8 years of what they accomplished with putting Bush in office.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

17. What happened to the John Conyer who wanted to get to the bottom of this, and held hearings?

Someone got to him, just like they do to the most influential politicians.


I donated to the Greens too.

[MissWaverly]

18. well, I think Pelosi put the damper on that

but I still think it needs addressed, I have had some tough debates on this from the
just move forward crowd. But nothing is going to change until we address the cause.
This has to be seen as more than just a parlor game.

[uberblonde]

5. That's funny.

I've seen numerous reports of the Obama organizers refusing to legally qualify voters for the Texas caucus.

So we can sit here and trade accusations all day. If you want to put forth some actual facts, perhaps I might see your story as something beside a partisan hack using smears and innuendo to smear the candidate you keep telling us is already defeated.

[MissWaverly]

14. I don't think that it's about Hillary

it's about intentional manipulation of voters to produce a desired result, I saw it myself
here in Baltimore in 2004. And I saw sume funky things here in 2008 with our primary
where voters suddenly disappeared from the registration lists despite having voted in
the same precinct for years. I don't believe that Hillary or Bill would stoop to it,
but others, yes. I think that mail in votes should be studied as an alternative, did the
mail in voting strategy really cut down on vote manipulation.

[goclark]

23. LOL

I wouldn't waste my time on hacking anything.

I'll leave that to you and your team.

End of discussion

[ColbertWatcher]

6. I remember...

...no senator would step up.

Not even Kerry or Edwards!

But, I was so proud that one of my senators (Boxer) stood up in 2004!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

9. I wasn't even aware of this incident until I saw F911, and I watched it, tears streaming down.

Welling up here again as I think of it. You have every right to be proud of Barbara Boxer. She is IMHO, along with Feingold, the bestest in the Senate. :)

BTW....I only wish BB would move back to her place of birth, NY, and become my Senator!!!!!

[ColbertWatcher]

11. LOL! We won't let her! n/t

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

20. Aw shucks! My brother and sister said the same thing to me.

:cry:

[lonestarnot]

21. Boxer YES!

:applause:

[goclark]

15. She is my Senator and I would love for her to be VP

I keep saying it but no one seems to feel as I do.

I heard that :puke: Diane Feinstein say that she was for a DREAM ticket.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

16. lol! Can you imagine, and Obama/Boxer ticket! The Wrong Wing Fundies will think it's the

apocalypse! A black man and a white Jewish woman!!!!

:rofl:

[MissWaverly]

19. it will probably be a governor, somebody like Richardson

they need to balance the ticket, people tend to vote for govs on the ticket. Gov. Reagan,
Gov. Carter, Gov. Clinton, Gov. Bush

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

22. Lyndon Johnson was the last Senator to become President, and it does seem that

governors do have a monopoly.

I would like to see Richardson as Secretary of State. Although he probably would turn it down, I would love to see Biden in the VP spot.

[MissWaverly]

24. I think we need change theme, new faces

I think Richardson has appeal as someone from outside the Beltway.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

26. You're right, Richardson is definitely appealing. :)