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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 06:05 PM
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Einstein: "The pioneers of a warless world are the young men who refuse military service."
Now what would the creator of Relativity Theory know? Did he "serve his country"? Did he experience battle first hand? Did he follow orders as a good soldier?

http://www.military-quotes.com/albert-einstein.htm



"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my
contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the
spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be
done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, and all the
loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism, how violently I hate
all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to
shreds than be part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing
under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."
- Albert Einstein

"It may affront the military-minded person to suggest a regime that does not
maintain any military secrets."
- Albert Einstein

"I made one great mistake in my life-when I signed the letter to President
Roosevelt recommending that atom bombs be made but there was some
justification-the danger that the Germans would make them."
- Albert Einstein

"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."
- Albert Einstein

"Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding."
- Albert Einstein



More at link.

Also:

http://www.lukedary.com/node/31

Einstein: The Military Mentality
January 24, 2006 - 8:43pm — admin

From The American Scholar, New York, Summer, 1947

It seems to me that the decisive point in the situation lies in the fact that the problem before us cannot be viewed as an isolated one. First of all, one may pose the following question: from now on institutions for learning and research will more and more have to be supported by grants from the state, since, for various reasons, private sources will not suffice. Is it at all reasonable that the distribution of the funds raised for these purposes from the taxpayer should be entrusted to the military? To this question every prudent person will certainly answer: "No!" For it is evident that the difficult task of the most beneficent distribution should be placed in the hands of people whose training and life's work give proof that they know something about science and scholarship.

If reasonable people, nevertheless, favor military agencies for the distribution of a major part of the available funds, the reason for this lies in the fact that they subordinate cultural concerns to their general political outlook. We must then focus our attention on these practical political viewpoints, their origins and their implications. In doing so we shall soon recognize that the problem here under discussion is but one of many, and can only be fully estimated and properly adjudged when placed in a broader framework.

The tendencies we have mentioned are something new for America. They arose when, under the influence of the two World Wars and the consequent concentration of all forces on a military goal, a predominantly military mentality developed, which with the almost sudden victory became even more accentuated. The characteristic feature of this mentality is that people place the importance of what Bertrand Russell so tellingly terms "naked power" far above all other factors which affect the relations between peoples. The Germans, misled by Bismarck's successes in particular, underwent just such a transformation of their mentality--in consequences of which they were entirely ruined in less than a hundred years.

I must frankly confess that the foreign policy of the United States since the termination of hostilities has reminded me, sometimes irresistibly, of the attitude of Germany under Kaiser Wilhelm II, and I know that, independent of me, this analogy has most painfully occurred to others as well. It is characteristic of the military mentality that non-human factors (atom bombs, strategic bases, weapons of all sorts, the possession of raw materials, etc.) are held essential, while the human being, his desires and thoughts--in short, the psychological factors--are considered as unimportant and secondary. Herein lies a certain resemblance to Marxism, at least in so far as its theoretical side alone is kept in view. The individual is degraded to a mere instrument; he becomes "human material." The normal ends of human aspiration vanish with such a viewpoint. Instead, the military mentality raises "naked power" as a goal in itself--one of the strangest illusions to which men can succumb.

In our time the military mentality is still more dangerous than formerly because the offensive weapons have become much more powerful than the defensive ones. Therefore it leads, by necessity, to preventative war. The general insecurity that goes hand in hand with this results in the sacrifice of the citizen's civil rights to the supposed welfare of the state. Political witch-hunting, controls of all sorts (e.g., control of teaching and research, of the press, and so forth) appear inevitable, and for this reason do not encounter that popular resistance, which, were it not for the military mentaility, would provide a protection. A reappraisal of all values gradually takes place in so far as everything that does not clearly serve the utopian ends is regarded and treated as inferior.

I see no other way out of prevailing conditions than a far-seeing, honest, and courageous policy with the aim of establishing security on supranational foundations. Let us hope that men will be found, sufficient in number and moral force, to guide the nation on this path so long as a leading role is imposed on her by external circumstances. Then problems such as have been discussed here will cease to exist.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 06:12 PM
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1. Hooray Einstein!
I registered as a conscientious objector in 1968. The draft board asked me if I was a Quaker or Amish> I said, "No, I just don't believe in killing people I don't know for reasons I don't believe in." Wrong! I was classified 1-A. However, my draft board was in Hawaii, and I was picking fruit in Oregon, and I must have lost those damn draft notices.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 06:16 PM
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2. Thank you for serving your country.
You did a great job, and sacrificed that others might be free. There should have been a lot more like you. More people would still have their freedom to life... in Indochina.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 06:18 PM
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3. :) He's sort of like a scientific version of Lennon.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 06:21 PM
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4. He was one damn smart man.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:10 PM
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5. This from the man
that begged FDR to build the Atomic Bomb.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:23 PM
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7. Something he came to regret...
Einstein knew that Germany was advanced in physics and had great scientists like Heisenberg, so he feared the Nazis would get the bomb first. However, he later said:

"I made one great mistake in my life-when I signed the letter to President
Roosevelt recommending that atom bombs be made but there was some
justification-the danger that the Germans would make them."
- Albert Einstein


"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV
will be fought with sticks and stones."
- Albert Einstein (contemplating nuclear devastation)

"The release of atom power has changed everything except our way of
thinking...the solution to this problem lies in the heart of mankind. If
only I had known, I should have become a watchmaker."

- Albert Einstein

"The unleashed power of the atom has changed everything save our modes of
thinking, and we thus drift toward unparalleled catastrophes."
- Albert Einstein

"One cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war"
- Albert Einstein

"Force always attracts men of low morality."
- Albert Einstein

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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:10 PM
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6. Today we should be mourning our losses because of our blind
allegiances and our ignorances.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 07:46 PM
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8. He really should have qualified that a little.
After all, refusing military service is a hallmark of the chickenhawk.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:20 AM
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9. Clearly not what he's talking about.
Chickenhawk only if

1) military service avoided for selfish reasons only

AND

2) wage a war (as a civilian official) while trumpeting its glory and righteousness.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 02:06 AM
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10. Avoiding service in WWII would have been disgusting.
Other than that it's been a long time since we've fought a defensive war.

Great OP, thanks for posting!

For a little perspective Einstein was writing this right after the war when pretty much all university funding was meted out through the military. They were pumping money into science like beer into a frat house.

Had a lot to do with our rise as an economic powerhouse.
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 02:36 AM
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11. Also Einstein: the only social institution that stood up to Nazism was the Christian Church.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/archive/200706A19.html

From Antiques Road Show:

GUEST: I have a letter that Albert Einstein wrote to my father in 1943. In 1940, my father read a "Time Magazine" article that stated that Einstein was quoted as saying that the only social institution that stood up to Nazism was the Christian Church. My father is a Presbyterian minister in a little northern Michigan town called Harbor Springs.

APPRAISER: Uh-huh.

GUEST: And he quoted Einstein in a sermon, and a member of the congregation wrote my father a letter saying, "Where did you get your information?" So my father wrote "Time Magazine" and "Time Magazine" wrote him back, and I have that letter, too, but they didn't give the source, so my father wrote Einstein and he wrote back, saying, yes, he did say that the Christian Church was standing up to Hitler and Nazism....

(The letter was appraised at $5,000 dollars.)
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 07:39 AM
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13. I don't know. The Catholic Chirch collaborated with Nazis in France
and probably other areas as well.
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 12:20 PM
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14. There were a lot of Lutherans who opposed the Nazis like Dietrich Bonhoeffer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Bonhoeffer

Perhaps this is what Einstein was referring to.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:51 AM
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12. NOW!!!
THAT's what I'm talking about.
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