Help me out, "Desert Storm" ended in '91. What was the 2nd "Desert" called?!1

[UTUSN]

This glory hound vet won't miss a single event that will get him in the newspaper.


I know for a fact that he was INeligible to join the VFW 3-4 yrs ago because he had not been overseas. He's basically a National Guardsman. Then 2-3 yrs ago he served (something like) 6 months as a guard in Gitmo.


NOW, he was in the newspaper, pictured and labeled as "a Desert STORM veteran."



I *know* that was Poppy's thingy. What was the OTHER "Desert" thing?

[stevedeshazer]

1. Desert Fox?

Who is this guy?

[Wizard777]

18. Rommel

[stevedeshazer]

20. Rat Patrol?

[Wizard777]

28. I think the show was about Rommel. I didn't watch it.

[kenny blankenship]

2. Desert Shield

Dessert Storm?

[Juche]

3. desert fox

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Desert_Fox

[AlCzervik]

26. add a "The" to that title and that was Rommel's moniker.

[patrice]

4. Desert Shield

[lunatica]

5. Enduring Freedom

Holy war
Crusade
Operation liberation
Gulf war

[UTUSN]

10. Wiki sez that was Afghanistan n/t

[lonestarnot]

6. Desert Shitstorm.

[uppityperson]

7. Egotistical Maniac's Madness?

[dubeskin]

8. Dessert Storm?

[UTUSN]

9. HaHAH to some posts. No, nup, and na!1 Google sez "Shield" was in '98

& Fox was (I don't remember).

http://books.google.com/books?id=A-PRy--seDcC&dq=desert+iraq+invasion&pg=PP1&ots=fcVAnSo8nM&source=citation&sig=cDEHKYnY90ELIvODaKkfdGUF0HI&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search%3Fq%3DDesert%2BIraq%2Binvasion%26sourceid%3Die7%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-US%26ie%3Dutf8%26oe%3Dutf8&sa=X&oi=print&ct=result&cd=1&cad=bottom-3results#PPT1,M1


I'm trying to be FAIR and get the facts on the dude before I call him out and expose him. I *know* for sure he wasn't in Desert STORM. OR Shield OR Fox.

[UTUSN]

11. It looks like "Storm" is all besides "Shield" & the vet is a FRAUD!1 n/t

[Hobarticus]

15. Google's high...

Shield was in '90.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/desert_shield.htm

[progdonkey]

29. where?

Neither your link nor Googling "Desert Shield" brings back anything saying it's from 1998. (As far as I can see.)

As I understand it, Desert Shield and Desert Storm were basically two parts of the same war, with Shield coming first (setting up in Saudi Arabia) and Storm coming second (the actual invasion of Iraq).

[Marrah_G]

30. I know this one-intimately

Desert shield (not a war, but maneuvers leading to the war) began at the beginning of August 1990, maybe like the 3rd. My daughter was born on the 24th. My brother was there at the hospital. 6 weeks later I was holding her at Logan Airport and saying goodbye to my brother as he flew out to meet his ship in the gulf. It was one of the hardest days in my life. Then I think at the end of February the bombs started falling on Bagdad and they called it Desert Storm and I remember calling my mother...I said " are you watching" she said "yes" and we both just cried... I remember it like it was yesterday.

My daughter will be 18 this August... Her uncle has been in Desert Storm, Somalia and recently in Iraq. Our country has seen 4 wars in her lifetime (well not sure if Somalia was considered war, technically) and 2 are still going on.

[Marrah_G]

31. self-delete

[sandnsea]

12. It went from Shield to Storm in 91, 92

And Fox was in '98, the Clinton one I think. I don't remember there being anything else in the 90's.

[Marrah_G]

33. Close- it was 90-91

August 1990 and February 1991

[fed-up]

13. The comparison numbers for previous conflicts are as follows: Desert Storm/Desert Shield

1
Department of Veterans Affairs, Office of Public Affairs, “America’s Wars”, September 30, 2006. This
document shows that the number of non-mortal woundings in the Global War on Terror (combining Iraq,
Afghanistan and surrounding duty stations) as of 9/30/06 was 50,508 compared with 2333 deaths in battle
plus 707 other deaths in theater. The comparison numbers for previous conflicts are as follows: Desert
Storm/Desert Shield: 1.2 wounded per fatality; Vietnam: 2.6 wounded per fatality; Korea: 2.8 wounded per
fatality; World War II: 1.6 wounded per fatality; World War I: 1.8 wounded per fatality; Civil War (union):
.7 wounded per fatality; War of 1812: .5 wounded per fatality; American Revolution: .7 wounded per
fatality. Note: the VA defines non-mortal wounded as those who are “medically evacuated from theatre”.
The Pentagon has several definitions, but the daily casualty reports on its website use a narrower definition
referring to those wounded by shrapnel, bullets, etc. Using this narrow definition, the Iraq conflict has a
ratio of 8 wounded per fatality – still much higher than any previous war in US history.


edited cuz I didn't mean to copy the whole thing...whoops

[Hobarticus]

14. Your boy's full of shit. Iraq-related "Desert" code names here:

Courtesy of Wiki.

Desert Shield: the rapid deployment of coalition forces to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia leading up to the first Gulf War.

Desert Storm: the actual military action of the first Gulf War.

Desert Strike (1996): Clinton bombs Iraq air-defense and in response to iraq violating the northern No-Fly Zone, and various minor violations of the GW terms.

Desert Fox (1998): Clinton ordered the bombing of weapons R&D facilities, air-defense networks, known weapons stockpiles, Republican guard units, etc.. Joint venture with the UK.

Unless your local hero's got pilot's wings, he's full of shit. Air Guard pilots were patrolling the No-Fly Zones (my first boss out of college was an Air Guard pilot), but I couldn't say if they were active in the bombing campaigns.

Guard ground units were indeed sent overseas for Desert Shield and Storm, but it wouldn't be hard to find out if his actual unit was sent. Sounds like your local VFW already figured it out.

[tularetom]

16. I think this one is "Operation Desert Clusterfuck"

[onager]

17. Sounds like a walt

Short for "Walter Mitty," a wanna-be soldier and/or fraud. Ranges from the never-served who make up whole military careers for themselves, down to the former clerk who claims he was in Special Forces.

They HATE those guys at this website, the British ARmy Rumour SErvice ("AARSE."). Outing walts is one of the things they do best.

A really weird one was an American who showed up at a Black Watch ceremony wearing a chestful of medals and claiming to be a retired Piper, combat veteran, etc. etc.

They REALLY loved him!

Here's a whole thread on the topic, about 400 pages:

http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=48629/highlight=sticky+walt.html

[Aviation Pro]

21. Stolen Valor....

...there's a number of organizations that track down phonies. Here's one of the best:

http://www.cyberseals.org/authentiseal/

[MiniMe]

19. Wasn't it originally going to be Operation Iraqi Liberation, until...

the dumbfucks realized that the acronym would be OIL, so they decided to change it. My guess is that they did it on purpose, but they thought nobody would figure it out.

[MiniMe]

23. Found it on Wiki

United States military operations were conducted under the codename Operation Iraqi Liberation.<79> The codename was later changed to Operation Iraqi Freedom The United Kingdom military operation was named Operation Telic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Iraqi_Liberation

[Hobarticus]

24. OMFG!!!!

I never EVER noticed that before! Brilliant!!!

:toast:

[JackRiddler]

27. No.

They would never throw a name out there without careful consideration in advance or without knowing what it spells. This is the USG of 3LAs.

They did it on purpose so that everyone would figure it out, message sent, knowing they would then pretend it was a mistake and change it. It was the only honest moment in the invasion. And it was a psych-out.

Infinite Justice - same thing. They wanted to say: WE ARE GOD. They were happy to alter it after the protests, because message had been sent.

Right now: Air Force UEBER ALLES. This one they won't even have to revise.

[MilesColtrane]

22. Operation Desert Nam.

B*sh's is AWOL for this one too.

Read this horrible stat yesterday.
The Iraq war, as a ratio of troop deaths to troops deployed, so far has been bloodier than Vietnam and the Korean war.

Deaths per 1,000 troops deployed: Korean War-6.4...Vietnam War-6.7...Iraq War-8.0

Casualty ratio is probably much higher.

The Iraq war has been going on as long as American involvement in WWI and the Korean War combined. Next stops WWII and Vietnam.

Let's get Obama and Democrats back in power so this madness can end.

[timtom]

25. Desert Shield 1990

Desert Shield was our amassing of troops and ships in the Middle East in response to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.

When the bullets (and missiles) began to fly, it became known as "Desert Storm".

[Marrah_G]

32. Here are your answers- I am absolutely sure

Desert shield (not a war, but maneuvers leading to the war) began at the beginning of August 1990, maybe like the 3rd. My daughter was born on the 24th. My brother was there at the hospital. 6 weeks later I was holding her at Logan Airport and saying goodbye to my brother as he flew out to meet his ship in the gulf. It was one of the hardest days in my life. Then I think at the end of February the bombs started falling on Bagdad and they called it Desert Storm and I remember calling my mother...I said " are you watching" she said "yes" and we both just cried... I remember it like it was yesterday.

My daughter will be 18 this August... Her uncle has been in Desert Storm, Somalia and recently in Iraq. Our country has seen 4 wars in her lifetime (well not sure if Somalia was considered war, technically) and 2 are still going on.

[KBlagburn]

34. Desert Storm started Jan 18 1991

Desert Storm Started Jan 18, 1991. How do I know? I was there, we arrived in theater aprox 2 hours before Desert Storm Started. We landed at King Faad AB, KSA, aprox 1 am local time. At Aprox 3 am local time, all hell broke loose. Our first Fighter jets took to the skies and we were bombared with scuds. At daybreak we were finally allowed to proceed to Dharan KSA where we were to receive our first orders. When I was awarded the SWASM (see my avatar), I was awarded 2 bronze devices, the 1st for Desert Shield, the 2nd for Desert Storm. I was surprised at this because we had only been in theater for Desert Shield for 2 hours.