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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:06 PM
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Larisa Alexandrovna: McClatchy Boys Take Scotty, WH & 'Liberal Media' To The Woodshed MUST-READ
Edited on Thu May-29-08 10:05 PM by Hissyspit
Before we put Scott McClellan too high on a pedestal, it is important to remember that there WERE people telling the true story as it was happening. Larisa Alexandrovna points to a column from the "McClatchy Boys," the D.C. Bureau of Knight-Ridder, who were real heroes in their attempts to counter the propaganda that was being catapulted, and to tell "what happpened" as it was happening. McClellan is still wrong about a lot of things and an apologist for a lot of what these war criminals did. It is my opinion he has decided he couldn't live with his life and legacy being so associated with the wrong side of history. Better late then never, and, ultimately, he has clarified much, added some important details and reasserted many false perceptions.

As you read this, most imporantly, please...

CLICK THE LINKS! If you knew at the time, you will remember some things you've forgotten. If you are a late bloomer to the reality-based, you will learn much more.


http://www.atlargely.com/2008/05/mcclatchy-boys.html

McClatchy Boys Take Scotty, the White House and the "Liberal Media" to the Woodshed...

Jonathan Landay and Warren Strobel, my good friends and the few reporters who actually did their job during the Iraq war build-up, are pissed and I am fully backing their anger. Here is what the McClatchy boys (as I call them) have to say to the "Liberal Press" and the White House with regard to Scotty's revelations:

Memo to Scott McClellan: Here's what happened

http://washingtonbureau.typepad.com/nationalsecurity

Until now, we've resisted the temptation to post on former White House press secretary Scott McClellan's new book, which accuses the Bush White House of launching a propaganda campaign to sell the war in Iraq.

Why? It's not news. At least not to some of us who've covered the story from the start.

(Click here, here and here to get just a taste of what we mean).

Second, we find it a wee bit preposterous -- and we are being diplomatic here -- that a man who slavishly - no, robotically! -- defended President Bush's policies in Iraq and elsewhere is trying to "set the record straight" (and sell a few books) five years and more after the invasion, with U.S. troops still bravely fighting and dying to stabilize that country.

But the responses to McClellan from the Bush administration and media bigwigs, history-bending as they are, compel us to jump in. As we like to say around here, it's truth to power time, not just for the politicians but also for some folks in our own business.

And when it comes truth to power, these two did not partake of the pre-war propaganda. Quite the contrary, they were in the tiny minority who reported aggressively about the lies issuing forth out of the White House. So let the ass kicking begin:

Bush loyalists have responded in three ways:

1) Scott, how could you? This conveniently ignores the issue of what Bush did or didn't know and do about intelligence on Iraq, converting the story line into that of wounded leader and treasonous former aide. (That canard was the sole focus of a CBS news radio report Wednesday night).

2) Invading Iraq was the right thing to do. Okay. When do Bush, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, et al *not* say that? Dog bites man.

3) It was an intelligence failure. The CIA gave us bad dope on WMD and, well, they're the experts. More on this in a second.

The news media have been, if anything, even more craven than the administration has been in defending its failure to investigate Bush's case for war in Iraq before the war.

Here's ABC News' Charles Gibson: "I think the questions were asked. It was just a drumbeat of support from the administration. It is not our job to debate them. It is our job to ask the questions.” And “I’m not sure we would have asked anything differently."

Really?

Or this from NBC's Brian Williams: “Sadly, we saw fellow Americans — in some cases floating past facedown (after Katrina). We knew what had just happened. We weren’t allowed that kind of proximity with the weapons inspectors . I was in Kuwait for the buildup to the war, and, yes, we heard from the Pentagon, on my cell phone, the minute they heard us report something that they didn’t like. The tone of that time was quite extraordinary.” And this: "“It’s tough to go back, to put ourselves in the mind-set. It was post-9/11 America."

So the Pentagon tells the media what kind of reporting is in- and out-of-bounds?

Hogwash. Hogwash! HOGWASH.

We confess that here at McClatchy, which purchased Knight Ridder two years ago, we do have a dog in this fight. Our team - Joe Galloway, Clark Hoyt, Jon Landay, Renee Schoof, Warren Strobel, John Walcott, Tish Wells and many others - was, with a few exceptions, the only major news media organization that before the war consistently and aggressively challenged the White House's case for war, and its lack of planning for post-war Iraq.

Here are
Bill Moyers and Michael Massing on the media's pre-war performance.

Enough self-aggrandizing trumpet-blowing. OK, Scott, What Happened?

Here's what happened, based entirely on our own reporting and publicly available documents:

* The Bush administration was gunning for Iraq within days of the 9/11 attacks, dispatching a former CIA director whom Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz dispatched to find evidence for a bizarre theory that Saddam Hussein was responsible for the first World Trade Center attack in 1993. (Note: See also Richard Clarke and former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill on this point).

* Bush decided by February 2002, at the latest, that he was going to remove Saddam by hook or by crook. (Yes, we reported that at the time).

* White House officials, led by Dick Cheney, began making the case for war in August 2002, in speeches and reports that not only were wrong, but also went well beyond what the available intelligence said at that time, and contained outright fantasies and falsehoods. Indeed, some of that material was never vetted with the intelligence agencies before it was peddled to the public.

* Dissenters, or even those who voiced worry about where the policy was going, were ignored, excluded or punished. (Note: See Gen. Eric Shinseki, Paul O'Neill, Joseph Wilson and all of the State Department 's Arab specialists and much of its intelligence bureau).

* The Bush administration didn't even want to produce the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs that's justly received so much criticism since. The White House thought it was unneeded. It actually and slapped together in a matter of weeks before the congressional votes to authorize war on Iraq.

* The October 2002 NIE was flawed, no doubt. But it contained dissents questioning the extent of Saddam's WMD programs, dissents that were buried in the report.
Doubts and dissents were then stripped from the publicly released, unclassified version of the NIE.

* The core of the administration's case for war was not just that Saddam was developing WMDs, but also that, unchecked, he might give them to terrorists to attack the United States. Remember smoking guns and mushroom clouds? Inconveniently, the CIA had determined just the opposite: Saddam would attack the United States only if he concluded a U.S. attack on him was unavoidable. He'd give WMD to Islamist terrorists only "as a last chance to exact revenge."

* The Bush administration relied heavily on an Iraqi exile, Ahmed Chalabi, who had been found to be untrustworthy by the State Department and the CIA. Chalabi and his Iraqi National Congress were given millions, and produced "defectors" whose tales of WMD sites and terrorist training were false, fanciful and bogus, were fed directly to senior officials and included in official White House documents.

* The same INC-supplied "intelligence" used in the White House propaganda effort (you got that bit right, Scott) also was fed to dozens of U.S. and foreign news organizations.

* It all culminated in a speech by Secretary of State Colin Powell to the U.N. Security Council in February 2003 making the case against Saddam. Virtually every major allegation Powell made turned out later to be wrong. It would have been even worse had not Powell and his team thrown out even more shaky "intelligence" that Cheney's office repeatedly tried to stuff into the speech.

* The Bush administration tried to link Saddam to al Qaida and, by implication, to the 9/11 attacks. Officials repeatedly pushed the CIA for information on such links, and a seperate intel shop was set up under Defense Under Secretary Douglas Feith to find "proof" of such ties. Neither the CIA nor anyone else ever found anything resembling an operational relationship between Saddam and al Qaida.

* An exhaustive review of Saddam Hussein's regimes own documents, released in March 2008, found no operational relationship between Saddam and al Qaida.

- snip -

We could go on, but the rest, as they say, is history.

That's what happened.

-- Warren P. Strobel and Jonathan S. Landay.

See why the McClatchy boys are 2 out of 7 journos on this planet that I fully respect and trust? I call this kicking ass until the teeth fall out.


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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:09 PM
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1. Great post!`
The MSM is such garbage.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:13 PM
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2. K&N, Knight Ridder was the only group yelling their heads off and McClatchy too
when they bought em out.

sadly, there is no McClatchy newspaper in either DC or NYC
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:14 PM
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3. That's the "Post of The Day" imho
Thanks.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:16 PM
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4. So folks aren't confused - this was the KnightRidder DC Bureau that the rest of media IGNORED
Edited on Thu May-29-08 09:17 PM by blm
throughout that entire lead up to war.

McClatchy bought a big chunk of KnightRidder nespapers shortly after Landay reported on Downing Street Memos (DUers remember those events) when Bush allies with major stock shares in KRT forced KnightRidder to break up and sell. No doubt in my mind that BushInc targeted KRT because of Landay and Strobel's work to expose them.

Hey guys - watch your back w/ McClatchy these days. There's lots of corporate mentality about that will end up landing on YOUR heads, too, eventually.

Thanks for the thread, Hissy.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:23 AM
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28. Read the headline and I knew who wrote it.
Thanks for spreading the word on Corporate McPravda's role in the ongoing criminal conspiracy that runs the U.S. government.
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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:22 PM
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5. This is good. K&R.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:43 PM
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6. Please RECOMMEND
if you believe in the importance of the truth.

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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:44 PM
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7. Notice how the hero journalists are coming to the fore....
Edited on Thu May-29-08 09:45 PM by hwmnbn
Their actions reflect their integrity because THEY DID THEIR JOB. We know who they are.

The rest are pretenders who are now left with a shameful legacy of failure. Whatever respect we used to have for the MSM of Cronkite and Murrow is gone now. Their influence is on the wane and they'll never again have our trust.

There will always be a place for conscientious journalists, but now it's on the internet.

BTW, kudos to Larisa who's one of the good guys!! :headbang:
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:54 PM
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8. kicking for later
good stuff
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:55 PM
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9. To get the full effect, you must click the links. n/t
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:02 PM
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10. Mega thank you to the McClatchy boys -- for setting the record straight
The BushCo republicons could not have lied America into this oil-profits crusade without the knee-bent cooperation of the feckless corporate media. Thank heavens for mavericks like this...

The k and the r
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:05 PM
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11. These guys are journalists in the true sense of the word.
Edited on Thu May-29-08 10:05 PM by whereismyparty
Journalists. Not stenographers.

Thanks for posting this.

k/r
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:08 PM
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13. FEBRUARY 2002:
Bush has decided to overthrow Hussein

By Warren P. Strobel and John Walcot | Knight Ridder Newspapers
WASHINGTON — President Bush has decided to oust Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein from power and ordered the CIA, the Pentagon and other agencies to devise a combination of military, diplomatic and covert steps to achieve that goal, senior U.S. officials said Tuesday.

No military strike is imminent, but Bush has concluded that Saddam and his nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs are such a threat to U.S. security that the Iraqi dictator must be removed, even if U.S. allies do not help, said the officials, who all spoke on condition of anonymity.

"This is not an argument about whether to get rid of Saddam Hussein. That debate is over. This is ... how you do it," a senior administration official said in an interview with Knight Ridder.

The president's decision has launched the United States on a course that will have major ramifications for the U.S. military, the Middle East's future political alignment, international oil flows and Bush's own war on terrorism. Russia and most of America's European allies have expressed alarm about the administration's escalating rhetoric on Iraq.

The course also is fraught with potential military difficulties, with most experts on Iraq warning that a campaign there would not be as swift or virtually free of American casualties as Afghanistan. There, rebels of the northern alliance, backed by U.S. commandos and massive U.S. airpower, quickly overthrew the Taliban regime.

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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:34 AM
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24. amazing
If only they had gotten wider circulation...
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:02 PM
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51. Some KnightRidder papers then even buried their stories. Few put them on the frontpage.
And NONE of the broadcast news networks would invite Landay or Strobel on to discuss their articles and their findings.

Never.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:08 PM
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12. Superb, of course. Thank you again and again. (nt)
Edited on Thu May-29-08 10:09 PM by enough
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:21 AM
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14. K&R n/t
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:28 AM
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15. Excellent post but
Scotty is getting a lot more coverage and it sure isn't hurting the Dems. I'll take it.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:06 AM
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16. Excellent chronology. Kick, rec and Bookmarked.
eom
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:29 AM
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17. Don't expect our corporate media stooges to acknowledge any of this.
They've decided not to know it.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:46 AM
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18. My dynamic duo: lala and Hissy
Kudos to the McClatchy Boys for refusing to gargle the koolaid.

:applause:
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 06:37 AM
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19. Mark to read later. Lead up to War.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:12 AM
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20. bookmarked for later - thanks for this.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:14 AM
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21. Thanks for posting...K&R
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liam_laddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:18 AM
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22. K&R!!!!!
lala, McClatchy - heroine/heroes! Thanks, Hissyspit! I'm ordering a case of popcorn...
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:24 AM
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23. K&R n/t
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:37 AM
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25. Excellent, bookmarked
I have a feeling I'll be referring to this fine post in the future ...

:hi:
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:43 AM
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26. great stuff...
ttt
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:07 AM
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27. K & R
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:30 AM
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29. Thank you for spelling it out, Hissyspit and Lala_rawraw.
While he's better than nothing, Snotty the Underbear is a self-serving liar. The guy's stating the obvious and the press is making out like they've just been given the key to the last seven years. Fantastic!

Just this one thread shows how DU makes a HUGE difference.

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Sam Ervin jret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:46 AM
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30. The obvious questions become, Why, how did it happen and how do we guard against this happening agai...
How can we open up an inquiry into why this happened? How was the media so caught with it's collective head's up it's ass. With the exception of a few good men and women the media was hijacked. They were taken over and used as easily as if there were guns at their heads. Maybe more easily and certainly more effectively.

We must ask, "How did this happen?" The information was obviously out there as there were some who had the story. So how was the mind set of the media elite so manipulated and how do we guard against it in the future?

This is as important an issue as I've seen. If our fourth estate is broken, as it seems it is, we must find the way to mend it. Our form of government needs a clean fresh supply of good information like a body needs blood. If our "blood supply" is so easily poisoned and easily compromised we must take steps to ensure its safety.

Just as Congress needs to assess and reassert its roles and place limits on executive power the fourth estate must now examine itself.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:51 AM
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31. If you don't have McClatchy on your news aggregator, you're missing out.
There's a fantastic blog or two coming out of Baghdad --

http://washingtonbureau.typepad.com/iraq/
http://washingtonbureau.typepad.com/baghdad/

Ending shameless plug, but when the journalism is this good and this direct, there's no shame.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:05 PM
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52. Thanks for those links...
:thumbsup:

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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:26 AM
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32. I like to think of this as a companion piece:
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:41 AM
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33. I was a part of when the Knight Ridder Bureau first came on the scene in election 2000...
Edited on Fri May-30-08 09:41 AM by calipendence
I worked at KnightRidder.com at the time and wrote the tools that allowed population of content for the shared election page that year for all of their member newspapers (Miami Herald, Philly Enguirer, SJ Mercury News, KC Star, etc.), and recall that it was at that point that the company reserved a section on that page for the newly formed Knight Ridder Bureau then. At the time they were trying to augment the national feeds that they got from Reuters and AP with other national content. I recall asking why we didn't do a partnership with CNN or some other similar national news entity, and Knight Ridders's national web site news desk guys kind of gave me a knowing look that these guys were going to be special. And they weren't wrong! I'm so glad that they formed that group then. Of course we know that since that time CNN has become hopelessly part of the M$M propaganda machine, etc. And I'm SO glad that I had a part in getting these guys more visibility at the time! It feels good when you look back on work you did for a company and can actually feel even better spiritually on what you did then. Doesn't happen very often.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:54 AM
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35. I'm passing your post onto a few folks who will appreciate your remarks.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:23 PM
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55. .
:thumbsup:

What you call "spiritually" is what used, since, like, ever, to be called "morally" (with or without a religion, preferably imho without), i believe/understand.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:27 PM
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57. Wasn't meaning to imply the religious tone there. I'm an agnostic myself...
But I do believe that with or without hardcore religious beliefs, there is a spiritual side of people, something that gives one a feeling of self-worth, and separates us from robots, whether we want to acknowledge it or not.

I'm just a man of many questions, but I do feel sometimes things I can't explain, but which provide some sense of inner peace, that I will call spiritual.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:45 PM
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59. Agreed. Universal. n/t
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:42 AM
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34. K&R Yes well done. I think Scotty is still not telling all of it but it's a good first half effort
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NoFederales Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:19 AM
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36. Recommended and bookmarked. Lil' Snotty Scotty is still a shit; I guess
I'm not a forgiver because I DO remember outcries. Fuck that shit Gregory and all his ilk. I hope I live long enough to see all these * administration tales, and the tales of their enablers and sycophants, and the neo-revisionists shit to be, blacklisted and earmarked forever as a dark stain on the history of this Nation.

It's been dark times for decades, people need to shake themselves awake...........

NoFederales
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:26 AM
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37. Who are the 7 journos on your respect list?
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mlevans Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:35 AM
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38. I would have to agree.
Heard McClellan in an NPR interview the other day, and it really sounded like he was trying either to backpedal on some of the things he had written in his book, or to have things both ways. Things like "Bush mishandled this or that issue" or "Bush deceived the public regarding the war", together with things like "I still respect Bush" and "it wasn't really Bush's fault, he was just seduced by the Washington way". The juxtaposition strikes me as being...well, false, to put it bluntly. Thanks, Hissyspit, this is an excellent piece; I recommend with pleasure.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:36 AM
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39. I disagree 100% that this "is not news."
It's not news that they lied and used propaganda.

IT IS NEWS that one of the main people in the inner circle is coming out and admitting it.

These are two different issues. Don't confuse the two!

This is a HUGE story any way you look at it.
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lxlxlxl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:40 AM
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40. Shouldnt we get the Mclatchy people more exposure? KO or HuffPost at least!!!
I tried sending a tip over to HuffPo but I'm getting errors, and their admin email isnt working. If we can't get the people that got it right some exposure, then there is something seriously screwed...
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:59 AM
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41. K&R
While listening to Olbermann's interview there was nothing new if you had been following this sham of an administration all along with one exception. Bush knew and authorized Plame's outing but it wasn't surprising.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:07 PM
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46. Yes, I meant to and should have mentioned that but ran out of edit time...
putting in all those active links! That's why 'importantly' remains spelled incorrectly, too. :)



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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:37 AM
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42. And some people still call Scotty "courageous". Sheesh.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:45 AM
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43. real Journalists
The heroic real journalists that were uncovering the truth through the dark oppressive years of this admin - starting on September 12, 2001 and only recently crumbling, deserve major recognition and thanks from all American Citizens that still have faith in the US Constitution.

The Constitution has been rendered "inoperative" by these traitors and it's about time the people of America restored it to 100% factory original matching numbers Bloomington Gold Condition!

-90% Jimmy

using terms only a rabid NCRS member would know.

NCRS = national corvette restorers society.
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BayjanDem Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:46 AM
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44. Forgot some stuff
I forgot about the connection these liars kept making between Al Quada and Sadaam. Outrage and this point, is a start.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:06 PM
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45. Also, William Rivers Pitt.



I salute them all.

:patriot:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:15 PM
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47. Thanks K&R n/t
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:23 PM
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48. I do remember the names Landay & Strobel from the beginning
because they were two of the few American journalists who actually examined the (lack of) reasoning of focusing on Iraq. During those days, we had to rely on British articles.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:37 PM
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49. If I could recommend only one post per week ...
... this would be it.

Great Job:yourock:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:51 PM
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50. This is excellent, it's too bad real journalists
and their organizations are so outnumbered by the professional wrestlers and sycophants posing as journalists.

Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Hissyspit.:thumbsup:
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:07 PM
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53. Who are the other 5?
I'd really like that list.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:08 PM
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54. But ain't McClatchy essentially Californian? So they don't count,
either.

(pushing the envelope here a bit, as a Spanish-resident Brit myself) :sarcasm:

Freedom for California.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:31 PM
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58. Actually Knight Ridder moved its headquarters to San Jose from Florida shortly before 2000 election.
Edited on Fri May-30-08 02:31 PM by calipendence
Which is another reason why we in the Knight Ridder offices in California groaned that much more, wondering if even the employees that got transferred from Florida could have been enough to make the difference in the election then. Or at least that was a sad "joke" some of us shared with each other then.

I think that McClatchy has offices in one of the Carolinas or someplace like that on the southern coast, and that the main headquarters have shifted again back there, and I think now the San Jose offices have been shut down.

I think McClatchy, to their credit, have not tried to micromanage the Washington Bureau left over from Knight Ridder days, but I'm not sure whether they would have created that entity on their own without the Knight Ridder buyout.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:05 PM
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56. Big K & R
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:50 PM
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60. All true. The Fort Worth Star Telegram was a Knight Ridder paper at the time.
I could not believe the disconnect between what I would read every day in the newspaper and the silliness I would see on the TV.

It just proves that people who really take the charge to be "eternally vigilant" to heart read a friggin newspaper---and not the NYT, WaPo or anything owned by Rupert Murdoch or Sam Zell (any Tribune Paper including the LA Times).

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:39 PM
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63. It was NYT, LA Times and WaPost who led the takedown of Gary Webb as official DC
Edited on Fri May-30-08 05:40 PM by blm
targeted Webb as a fantasist after his extensive investigative report of CIA drugrunning was published in KR papers in 1996.

Another reason I distrust Clinton for siding with Poppy Bush's secrecy and privilege instead of with the truth and the concern for an accurate accounting of our nation's historic record. Webb had to be destroyed.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:11 PM
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61. Thanks for posting this reminder. Rec'd.
I remember the bullshit at the time and writing LTTEs largely based on info I got from links on DU. I still meet people who think, or at least claim, that everybody thought that Sadam had WMDs. Scotty is more for himself and covering his ass, than setting the record straight.

--IMM
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SleeplessinSoCal Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:10 PM
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62. But isn't McClellen's "coming out party" helpful to urging more journalists to speak out?
As we saw with the Big 3 - Couric and Williams admit to mistakes. Only Gibson was still spouting the propaganda.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:08 PM
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64. Lay it right out there for those whose eyes are newly open!
Seeing and hearing on the front page of the corporate media what we have known for so many years makes me laugh and cry in equal measures.

PR is not policy.

To treat the most serious decision that a Country can make as something that "can't be rolled out in August", as if it was just another new damn corn snack is obscene. It is war, not crunchy goodness.

My heart breaks daily for all those thousands and thousands of new widows, widowers and orphans.. all those parents who have buried their children...

How dare they... and how shameful that we couldn't stop them.
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argyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 03:27 AM
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65. Bookmarked. Excellent post with a wealth of reference material.
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annm4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:18 PM
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66. Help me get a little clarification
Are the McClatchy Boys.. working for the "McClatchy Company" that owned newspapers in Fresno Ca, Sacramento Ca and for a short time in Minneapolis ?

Growing up in Fresno, I saw McClatchy break the writer's union in the 70's early 80's.. and go completely conservative. I think a group took over McClatchy that was conservative. They really changed the Central Valley into a Rush Limbaugh land. The writing declined as the real journalists left or were let go.. By the 90's it was a really sad paper and extremely selective in it's news.

When I moved to Minneapolis in 2001, my mom informed me that the McClatchy had bought the MN Star Tribune and I slowly saw it change. They also tried to break the "Writers Guild" and I saw it's articles dumb down and more conservative (in a very progressive city). McClatchy sold the paper a year or so ago.. and it has gone down every further.

So I always thought (and was told) that McClatchy was based out of the south and was part of the neo-con group.


Maybe the Editors are different in DC.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 04:05 PM
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67. Kick n/t
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 05:59 PM
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68. Great post...
Bookmarked for later. I'm sure I've forgotten a lot of this info and need a refresher course.

Lala is the bomb when it comes to investigative journalism. Knight Ridder played an integral part also. If only...the MSM had done their job, we wouldn't be in this position today.
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Rob H. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:28 PM
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69. Bill Moyers interviewed Landay and Strobel in "Buying the War"
on PBS. When he asked them how they gathered the information that showed them the rush to war was being based on outright falsehoods, they put the lie to the our congresspersons' later claims that "the President had access to intelligence we didn't." Landay and Strobel said all the information was already out there readily available to anyone who would take the time, as they did, to look for it. They may have thought they were just doing their jobs, but those two are heroes, imo.

JONATHAN LANDAY: Most people actually believed and accepted that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. I have to admit that until we really started burrowing into the story, that I believed it, too.

Is this something that they could go along with...

BILL MOYERS: Landay found plenty of evidence to contradict the official propaganda, and the facts quickly changed his mind.

JONATHAN LANDAY: I simply spent basically a month familiarizing myself, with what Saddam's weapons of mass destruction programs had been and what had happened to them. And, there was tons of material available on that from the UN weapons inspectors. I mean, they got into virtually everything, and their reports were online.

If you go down here the Iraq Nuclear Verification Office, they put up regular, here you go, key findings, what they found out about Iraq's nuclear weapons programs. It's all here in the open for anybody who wants to read it.


(Emphases added by me.)
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 02:30 PM
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72. Thanks n/t
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:50 AM
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70. sorry i am late to theparty...
have been ill... thanks for posting hissy:D
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71. Kick...
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