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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:57 PM
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Suppose Al Gore could have known . . .
just how disastrous the Bush regime was going to be. Do you think he would have fought harder back in 2000?
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 08:59 PM
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1. He fought as hard as he could. The MSM was giving Bush a free pass at
everything. There were more negative stories about Gore than Bush.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:01 PM
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2. What else could he do, really?
Even if he'd won further appeals in FL, he would have been demonized and rendered ineffective.

It's a crying shame. :( I wish a member the Senate had stood up with the Congressional Black Caucus. I believe 100% that 9/11 would NOT have happened in a Gore administration. And we certainly wouldn't be in Iraq. Or obviously Afghanistan.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:02 PM
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3. I suspect that it would not only have been Al Gore that would have been fighting harder....
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 09:04 PM by LakeSamish706
Is it possible that the Justices on the Supreme court might have had a different vote if they had known what we are now faced with? But once again the magic word is "if".... If "if's were horses, beggars would prosper".... Oh, if!!!!!
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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 10:07 PM
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22. Explain the adage you used, please?
I know what you mean, about “if”, but I don’t understand the adage that you used.
If "if's were horses, beggars would prosper". Is it just a way of saying things wouldn’t be logical?
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 10:19 PM
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23. It actually is an old saying and should have read "If, If's were horses, beggars would ride". n/t
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 10:19 PM by LakeSamish706
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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 10:57 PM
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24. Thank you, makes sense to me now. nt
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avenger64 Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:03 PM
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4. If he'd known that Hillary Clinton's machine wasn't so ...
... formidable in 2008, we'd have the best and most experienced candidate ready to whip John McCain's ass in this election.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:04 PM
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5. Do you think dems who didn't vote or voted Nader would have voted for Gore?
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 09:05 PM by dmordue
or will we make the same mistake in 2008?
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:07 PM
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7. I like to think we learned our lesson.
And since Dems are registering in record numbers, there's hope.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:08 PM
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9. I know I did - I didn't realize how much damage Bush could do....
I thought we had a system of checks and balances that could control a lousy president.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:06 PM
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6. There was no way he could have fought the Supreme Court's treason.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:41 PM
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18. I agree that it was actually "treason" --- and one day, I hope that will be confirmed.
The Supremes were already an embarrassment with the addition of Clarence Thomas --
they have finished themselves with the Bush decision.

I was thinking the other day, we should turn all of them out at 62 or even 55 ---
and start over.

Let them serve a dozen years --- and out ---

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Eric Condon Donating Member (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:08 PM
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8. There was nothing more he could've done. He could've beat Bu$h 2-1 and they still would've stolen it
It had nothing to do with Gore, it had nothing to do with votes, and it most certainly had absolutely nothing to democracy. It was a criminal theft. Blaming Gore for not "fighting hard enough" is like blaming an unarmed bank teller for not "fighting hard enough" during an armed robbery. No amount of "fighting" or reasoning (and certainly no amount of fair and square election defeat) could've stopped these psychopaths from their coup, which may have seemed bloodless at the time, but would soon very much prove otherwise.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:11 PM
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10. He did. His first attorny that filed papers in court on Sunday was
found dead in his home the next morning.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:45 PM
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19. What ... ??? Never heard that story before . . . ????
Any details --- ???

They say Kerry was given an indication of how strong the coup in Ohio was and he had to
step back ---

However, if there is any truth to all of this --- and I'm sure there is great TRUTH to the
steals, but this specific info --- when are we going to be able to face up to these powerful
people.

Can we expect these candidates to sacrifice their own lives and families?

No -- not really!

But we have to find a way of doing this ---

I mean, Italy finally got rid of the Mafia in the 1980's --- 30 years or more after the US resurrected them !!!

See: Operation Gladio --- !!!


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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:13 PM
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11. You mean like encourage rioting in the streets and
backed a blood-filled or bloodless coup/takeover of the government? Just what do you think he should have actually done to 'fight harder' after the Supreme Court made their decision?

Haven't we already covered this a few times in the past 8 years?
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:34 PM
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15. I know.
But reading "The Assault on Reason" has me thinking about it all over again.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:52 PM
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20. duplicate post
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 09:53 PM by rosesaylavee
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:52 PM
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21. I think we all knew that * was an idiot
but we didn't know that he was such a malignant little toad who had well-laid plans to take us into war and suck the treasury dry of its surplus and spend 3 trillion dollars lining the pockets of his cronies and his own.

Sorry for the snark - just so used to defending Mr. Gore that most questions about that time rub me the wrong the way.

I don't think there was ***anything*** short of starting a revolution that he could have done to stop it. None of us anticipated a stolen election. None of us anticipated this admins treachery and deceit and torture and murder.

If Gore had foreseen this and had started a revolution - how many would have believed his outrageous story of what would happen? We would have lost our democracy in just a different way and he would have been a different human too.

Assault on Reason is one of my favorite books - he is certainly on my very short list of admirable human beings. I wish he had had his turn at running this country - I think he would have been one of the best we had ever had.
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Middle finga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:15 PM
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12. The question should be if the american people had known how
disastrous the Bush regime was going to be, would we have sat back and and allowed that coup to take place. It kills me we keep wanting to blame the Gore or Nader who ever but it's up to the people to stand up for their democracy. You remember the people in the Ukraine a few years back when they stood out in front of the Capital for days in the winter. Well that's what people in this country should have been doing.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:16 PM
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13. What if the supreme court had known.....
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:37 PM
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17. You think they didn't know . . . this is the GOP agenda . . . !!!
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:33 PM
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14. I wish WE could've done more.....n/t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 09:37 PM
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16. No -- I think he got his instructions . . . supposedly . . .
the "Establishment" told him they didn't want a big too-do about it all?
That's what I've heard ---

But Gore did call off Jesse Jackson from the Florida protests ---
butterfly ballot area --- which I thought was terrible ---

Like the JFK assassination, these are very powerful coups ---
Kerry also supposedly saw that when he tried to stand against it in '04 ---
the Ohio situation was evidently very bad and he had to give in.

BUT this has been going on with computer steals since at least the mid-1960's when computers began
to come into play in elections --- computer counting of votes being used by TV for reporting ---
See: http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam__.htm

It's a recap of two journalists in Florida who began investigating the computer steals in the late
1960's ...

So -- when are we going to actually stand against all of this ---

And, when is someone going to acknowledge the political violence in America since the JFK coup???
And --- I wouldn't count on it's being over -- anyone who gets in their way seems to be eliminated
one way or another.

They were after Carter the minute he took office ---
and after Clinton the day after the election!!!





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