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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 06:11 PM
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CHENEY Linked To Osama's Money Man
Edited on Sun Mar-04-07 06:13 PM by kpete
Sunday, March 04, 2007
Cheney linked to Osama's money man

A court in Turkey has ruled to freeze the assets of Yasin al-Qadi , a one-time acquaintance of Vice President Dick Cheney and reported “chief money launderer” of Osama bin Laden.

Al-Qadi, prior to being publicly identified as a key al-Qaeda financer, owned a prominent U.S. technology firm and reported CIA front known as Ptech. He also escorted U.S. officials around during their visits to Saudi Arabia.

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Similar allegations of obstruction of justice and dereliction of duty have been reported here in the United States, where following the 9/11 attacks FBI agent Robert Wright and other members of his unit claimed that their investigation into Yasin al-Qadi had been repeatedly blocked by higher ups at the FBI

.................

As Agent Wright told ABC News in 2002, “the supervisor who was there from (FBI) headquarters was right straight across from me and started yelling at me: 'You will not open criminal investigations. I forbid any of you. You will not open criminal investigations against any of these intelligence subjects.'"

According to Agent Wright, who seized $1.4 million directly linked to al-Qadi in 1998 , it is very likely that 9/11 would have been prevented if he had simply been allowed to do his job.

much more at:
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Feb07/Buckley27.htm
via:
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2007/03/cheney-linked-to-osamas-money-man.html
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 06:15 PM
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1. Does this actually suprise anyone?
I do believe that while 9/11 may not have been totally an inside job, it certainly has earmarks in that direction.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 06:15 PM
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2. Who would have guessed! (sarcasm) Is there anyone evil
with money that Cheney isn't associated with?

:kick:(pete)nr.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 06:15 PM
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3. You know, I'm not even suprised any more.
Bush is tied to bin Laden, Cheney to this guy--they're all fraternizing with the enemy.
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ktlyon Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 10:04 AM
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30. fraternizing with the enemy? They are the enemy!
We have done everything bin Laden has asked. We even kill Saddam.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 06:16 PM
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4. Kick just for the heck of it..... UNBELIEVABLE. n/t
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 06:20 PM
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5. No surprise here, just disgust that it has taken this long to expose the bastard
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 06:49 PM
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6. Paging Sibel Edmonds...
I do believe we're closing in.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 09:30 PM
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11. Sorry, she has been formally gagged -
along with other whistle blowers. What ever happen to the whistle blower law? Ah, probably one of bush's signing statements. Got to keep America's (bushco's) secrets secret. All those peons out there get wind of what the busies are doing and they may go crazy on us.


We are being protected from ourselves according to the bush doctrine. (SARCASM)
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:49 AM
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22. In this case, you can also page Indira Singh. Singh has been a whistleblower on PTech. eom
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 06:53 PM
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7. Jeez, kpete, how do FIND this stuff?
I find you're always the first to even MENTION this stuff, let alone have commentary on it.

K&R!
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 07:08 PM
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8. I really like this news story. kicking it.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 07:56 PM
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9. The more we discover, the more it seems that
Cheney is pulling the strings on both sides of the war on terror.

K&R, and thanks, kp.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 08:15 PM
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10. BMI and Ptech Investigations
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&projects_and_programs=vulgarBetrayal#a1098alqadi

October 1998: Vulgar Betrayal Investigation Nearly Shut Down

snip>.

"Two months after the US embassy bombings in Africa (see August 7, 1998), FBI agent Robert Wright and his Vulgar Betrayal investigation discover evidence they think ties Saudi multimillionaire Yassin al-Qadi to the bombings."
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 11:43 AM
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44. Saudi friends with connections to Repig Officials -- same ole story
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 09:46 PM
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12. paging Indira Singh
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 09:48 PM
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13. So now we find out both the Bush and Cheney families have ties with Bin Laden.
Amazing. And if this would be Clinton and Gore, you'd never hear the end of it!
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 10:07 PM
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14. Check out DU forum on Sibel for Ptech stuff. Maybe we can soon put away the
tinfoil and talk about this openly!

Someday, we'll look back and understand how all the loose ends and odd statements relate to one another. We're mostly there, but not quite: Sibel. Hastert. AQ Kahn. Pakistan. Turkey. FBI mismanagement. Bolton. Plame. DSM. Adminsitration "creating our own reality". Secret Energy meetings. Chalabi. Curveball. Diebold. Abramoff. Afganistan pipeline. Halliburton. Administration made up of energy folks. Defense guy goes to World Bank. Compliant congress. Compliant media. 9/11. Iraq. Iran. Syria. China. Baker. 9/11 Commission. Carlyle Group.

Paging Seymour Hersh! Come on, dig!
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 04:26 PM
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66. Put Turkey down for getting a lot of loans from the World Bank lately.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 01:16 AM
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15. i remember Rob Wright, and his initial statements
they were quite the bombshell here on DU in 02.

"To the families and victims of September 11th, on behalf of John Vincent, Barry Carmody and myself, we’re sorry."
http://www.infowars.com/jw_transcript.htm
_____________________________________________

Press Question: (Mostly inaudible) - how do you define corruption in this context?

Larry Klayman: "Corruption is knowing when something is not being done, knowing when the American people are being left unprotected and when you make a decision not to do something to protect the American people which, in fact, you are required to do under the Constitution of the United States to protect the American people from tyranny foreign and domestic. And you effectively allow 9/11 to occur. That is the ultimate form of government corruption – dereliction of duty. That’s subject in the military to prosecution, to court martial. And I suggest that some of these bureaucrats should think seriously about whether they have risen to the level of being even liable legally for what they have not done to protect the American people. That’s corruption. That’s one form of corruption. It’s no less than being bribed. It’s no less than sharing classified information with the enemy. It rises to the level of significant government corruption. Frankly, if not treason."
_____________________________________________________________________________


you do the math,


dp
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 11:57 AM
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48. Thank you
new info...to me anyway...thanks
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 02:30 AM
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16. 911: MIHOP or LIHOP. eom
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 04:16 AM
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17. Kick. LIHOP, definitely. n/t
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 04:37 AM
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18. Follow the money.
Who paid the hijackers and who are they connected to?

That would be the first question to ask in a criminal investigation.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:09 AM
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19. Color me "not surprised".
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:17 AM
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20. Treason is not too strong a word.
This administration is holding our Country to its toughest test.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:43 AM
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21. the 'real media' will report this in about 18 months
IF we're lucky.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:55 AM
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23. Send it to KO
Randi, Amy et al.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 07:08 AM
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24. 911 Commission was a Whitewash.
MIHOP: NO Doubt about it!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 08:55 AM
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27. You know my views on that
I have never bought the official spin - not from day one.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 11:43 AM
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42. Send it to Conyers first!!
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 07:41 AM
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25. It's an intresting article but wish it was a more reliable source. It adds up though USS cole.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 08:20 AM
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26. The original "unreliable sources" include The Guardian
and Computer World Magazine. The article is merely connecting the dots.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 10:16 AM
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35. Sorry I only took a fleeting look at the page. Sorry sir.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 09:16 AM
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28. Halliburton-KBR was in charge of refueling USS Cole. Cheney privatized logistics
back in 1991. Clinton should have stopped that 'idea' of privatizing military when he took office. But, he didn't.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 10:12 AM
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31. So BLM -- do you think this al Qaeda financier had anything to
do with BCCI? Considering his ties with the CIA doesn't that seem probable?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 11:37 AM
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41. Just about every significant terror operation of last 4 decades links to BFEE and BCCI.
The shame is that too many Democrats are deliberately ignoring the links because they have been coopted to protect secrecy and privilege (Hamilton, Clinton, Robb, et al), or they are willfully ignorant because knowing means having to actually poke that hornet's nest.

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 11:56 AM
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47. Interesting, blm......
I go around saying again and again that there STILL is something wrong with Congress. To gather enough evidence to impeach Bush and Cheney would be the work of an afternoon! Why do they fail to act?

I have been thinking really vague thoughts like: "they must really have something on key members of Congress found out through Total Info Awareness".... or something.

Maybe it's just as you suggest - not wanting to poke the hornet's nest. Each congressman is privately afraid to see just how conquered from within we already are!

Of course.... that's also a very vague theory.

But something is wrong with Congress.

Hope we all get to know the full story within our life-times.
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 12:34 PM
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54. Just minutes later, I find............
Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski (USAF) speaking in an interview here http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3144657



SWANSON: Did you expect that the new Democratic majority would investigate the Iraq fraud?

KWIATKOWSKI: Not really. They should have done it in the first hundred hours, and started impeachment hearings, too. They did neither because those who devise our foreign policy in the Middle East politically own many Democrats and Republicans. Party affiliation is meaningless, as we have seen already.



SWANSON: What do you make of the first two months of Democratic rule without any investigation, other than a report from the Pentagon Inspector General that had been requested by the Republicans?

KWIATKOWSKI: It simply adds another nail in the coffin of our democratic experiment. We need at least two distinct parties, and possibly three , each with an ability to articulate and pursue real philosophical alternatives. The Democrats offer no alternatives on foreign policy – and sadly, the Republicans are as "Democratic" on domestic policy as the Democratic Party once was. Clearly, on foreign policy, it's Dumb and Dumber. No wonder Americans don't vote.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ugh! Just as I suspected...............:argh:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 01:11 PM
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57. Unfortunately, this is the real life consequence of the Bush-Clinton-Bush alliance.
Democrats unlikely to roll over for the powerstructure will be targeted by GOP and Dem opereatives working from the top down.

I think that is the real reason why the Clintons were horrified that Dean slipped past them into the DNC chair position and have tried to get him pushed aside through their own network of loyalists.
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 01:44 PM
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58. Again... very interesting, blm.
That's imteresting how you may have tied in the equally inexplicable attacks on Dean.

I was totaaly befuddled by those attacks coming as they did just as Dean succeeded beautifully.

There really aren't 2 parties, are there............
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 01:51 PM
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59. There are still two parties, but no thanks to the coverup wing of the Democratic party.
There are Democrats who inhabit the anti-corruption, open government wing of the Democratic party still: Kerry, Waxman, Conyers.....we just need more of them to pull back when the coverup wing flexes.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 04:27 PM
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67. Bingo!
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Bushwick Bill Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 09:25 AM
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29. Indira Singh re-set.
Edited on Mon Mar-05-07 09:28 AM by Bushwick Bill
This is frightening shit that everyone should read.
http://reprehensor.gnn.tv/blogs/11484/Indira_Singh_Ground_Zero_911_Blueprint_For_Terror_Part_Two

And more.

Indira took Joe Bergantino's video report down to Virginia and interviewed Ptech employees herself. Having confirmed fears, she demanded the FBI agent who gave her Bergantino's report re-open an investigation into Ptech. He said he couldn't. She told him to tell his supervisor. He already had, and was told there was nothing they could do. The FBI was one of Ptech's clients.

Her next stop was Mark Coughlin, the Chief Information Officer (CIO) at JP Morgan Chase. His particular position equipped him to understand the kind of damage the firm might suffer if it were to adopt a malicious program with Ptech's computational power. Moved and alarmed, Coughlin called Security, the General Auditor, and the CEO.

They contacted the FBI - at a very high level - who validated all of Indira Singh's claims about Ptech.

Coughlin was shaken. He sent her to William Moran, the General Auditor, who refused to meet with her until she had been debriefed by his security people. "They treated me like I was crazy, like I was the terrorist." And when the meeting finally happened, it was an Orwellian horror show. He asked where she had gotten her information, and as she named her individual sources Moran answered each name the same way, over and over: "That person should be killed... that person should be killed… that person should be killed."

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/012005_ptech_pt1.shtml
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/012705_ptech_pt2.shtml

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BeliQueen Donating Member (433 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 10:14 AM
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33. Holy Crap
That is frightening.

Thanks for the link.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 11:30 AM
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40. Thank you for posting this
Indira Singh's story is a main key to uncovering the truth about 9-11.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 04:29 PM
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68. I was just going to ask if this had anything to do with Promis software.
The FTW link answered my question.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 10:14 AM
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32. Why is this not being reported in the MSM? n/t
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 10:15 AM
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34. Owned by Robber Barons like Cheney...n/t
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 10:18 AM
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36. Hope at least Malloy covers this. It's f***ng huge this story. The dots connect well.
Edited on Mon Mar-05-07 10:19 AM by cooolandrew
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 10:24 AM
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37. First the Bush family is closely tied to the BinLadens, and now Cheney as well.
I'm not even shocked anymore.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 10:24 AM
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38. This is a good link:
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 11:20 AM
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39. So am I still a conspiracy theorist?
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 11:45 AM
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45. There are some who would still call you that.
They are not true Patriots.

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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 11:43 AM
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43. And, again, I wonder how much Sibel Edmonds knows about this.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 11:46 AM
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46. I'm thinking this goes in a different direction.
But one that should be followed as well.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 12:06 PM
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49. Could be. Seems the crux of her knowledge is about funneling drug money
but I can't help but wonder if it doesn't all come around full circle.

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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 12:26 PM
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52. It may be connected thru drugs.
Drugs are how the CIA finances some black ops.
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 02:54 PM
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60. And what about that al Qaeda drug money that Hastert allegedly received?
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 03:05 PM
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61. Info kept more secret than Col. Sanders' 7 herbs and spices.
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xkenx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 12:20 PM
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50. Then Cheney is a terrorist who should be locked up in Guantanamo,
given no rights, no attorney, no trial, just held forever. He's just as guilty of 9-11 as any of them. As they say, "Lie with cockroaches......"
I know, the saying is "Lie with dogs," but that would reduce dogs to Cheney's level, and we couldn't have that. On the other hand, I'm not even sure about lumping Cheney with the cockroach. Hmmm, maybe "Lie with Ann Coulter."
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 12:28 PM
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53. Yes, as soon as posible!!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 12:23 PM
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51. My sincerest hope
Is that there is a quiet, undercover investigation currently underway in Congress that will be able to find enough evidence on this administration to impeach--whether it's 9/11/Saudi/Al Qaeda connections, manufactured pre-Iraq intel, war profiteering--I'm sure if they dig hard enough they will find SOMETHING illegal and/or treasonous. Everything this administration has done in the past 6 years in terms of the Middle East has a taint to it.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 01:07 PM
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55. Where are the Congressional subpoenas?
We need to get every employee of PTech under oath, and every one of the "higher ups" over Robert Wright in the FBI who blocked any investigation.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 01:09 PM
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56. That's because Bin Laden has never stopped working for the CIA
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 03:36 PM
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62. K&R Posted this last week. So did calipendence.
Edited on Mon Mar-05-07 03:36 PM by StrictlyRockers
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 03:53 PM
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63. Why is this "News" now as apposed to "Conspiracy Theory" as this Ptech stuff was called in 2005?
MIKE RUPPERT of "From the Wilderness" was writing a LOT about these connections back in 2005, but most of you here just lumped him in with the "Tin-hat" crowd.

Well, thanks to the fact that FTW has been successfully shut down, thanks to the work of "...an unknown number of suspects..." breaking into the FTW offices and literally Smashing and totally destroying all of their computers last summer (Sunday June 25, 2006) <http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1593451&mesg_id=1593451>, now you can have free access to their research for as long as they can afford to keep this stuff on-line.

I'm not going to post a link, because last time I did that, even to this report that was based on a police report, the post was locked, so I'll just tell you. The site is on the World Wide Web and the address is "fromthewilderness" and it's a dot com address. You can find it if you put those 3 things together.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 03:56 PM
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64. Everyday that passes is a day of gross injustice in America.
And, although all the usual suspects THINK they will get away with the biggest crime in American history...think again assholes. If we can't make YOU pay, we will make your children and grand children pay for the crimes!

Smirk and believe you are untouchable, it will make it so much easier to prosecute! YOU WILL PAY.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 09:18 AM
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73. Depends on the next Dem administration - will it be another coverup Dem or
an open government Democrat?

Doesn't look too good for us anti-corruption, open government Democrats lately.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 04:09 PM
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65. What is interesting about this article
is that dissidentvoice.org states, "...Yasin al-Qadi , a one-time acquaintance of Vice President Dick Cheney ..." and then references a couple of articles. Well, following those references, it seems that Cheney is more than a "one-time acquaintance."

From the first reference, "Ptech workers tell the story behind the search":
...Ziade explained his relationship with al-Qadi. "I don't know him well," Ziade said. "I met him a few times and talked to him a few times on the telephone. He never talked to me about violence. Instead, he talked very highly of his relationship with Jimmy Carter and Dick Cheney." ~snip~

http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/story/0,10801,77682,00.html

and from the second, "Treasury action smacks of arrogance, violates human rights, says Al-Qadi":

...Al-Qadi has worked for Skidmore, an American consulting firm in Chicago, for three years. “I have also met with US Vice President and former Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney in Jeddah when he came for a lecture organized by the Dallah Group. “I spoke to him for a long time and we still have cordial relations.”

http://www.saudia-online.com/newsoct01/news30.shtml
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 04:47 PM
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69. PROMIS software program.. wikipedia...
Prosecutor's Management Information System
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The Prosecutor's Management Information System, or PROMIS, is a database system developed by American IT company Inslaw. Inslaw developed the earliest versions of PROMIS during the 1970s under contracts and grants from the United States Department of Justice that granted the government licenses to use those particular versions but not to modify them to create derivative works or to distribute them outside the federal government.

Contents
1 1980s
2 1990s
3 Bibliography
4 References
5 External links



1980s
In March 1982, Inslaw won a competitive contract from the U.S. Justice Department to install, in the 22 largest U.S. Attorneys Offices, a version of PROMIS to which the government already had a license. In April 1983, however, the Justice Department modified Inslaw's three-year PROMIS Implementation Contract to obtain delivery of a new version of PROMIS for which the government had never obtained a license. Under the modification, the government promised to pay license fees for the new version if it decided to substitute it for the version specified in the original contract.

In May 1983, the month after Inslaw delivered the new version to the government, the government began to find fault with some of Inslaw's services and negotiated billing rates and unilaterally to withhold each month increasing amounts of the payments due Inslaw for implementation services. The Justice Department agent responsible for making payments was a former employee who had been fired from Inslaw. At the same time, the government decided to substitute the new version of PROMIS for the version originally specified in the contract but refused to pay Inslaw for it, claiming that Inslaw had failed to prove to the government's satisfaction that Inslaw had developed the version with private, non-government funds and that the new version was not otherwise required to be delivered to the government under the contract.

By February 1985, the government had withheld payment of almost $1.8 million for Inslaw's implementation services, plus millions of dollars in PROMIS license fees, and Inslaw filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.

In the late 1980s, two different federal courts issued fully litigated findings of fact that the April 1983 contract modification constituted a government fraud against Inslaw whereby the government "took, converted, stole" PROMIS from Inslaw "through trickery, fraud, and deceit," and then attempted "unlawfully and without justification" to force Inslaw out of business so it would be unable to seek restitution through the courts and be forced to sell it's assets in bankruptcy liquidation.

Three months after the initial verdict was issued, George F. Bason, Jr., the federal bankruptcy judge presiding over the original case, was denied reappointment to the bench by the Justice Department ending a 14-year tenure. One of only four, out of 136, not reappointed. His replacement, S. Martin Teel, had been the attorney who unsuccessfully argued the INSLAW case before Judge Bason on the Justice Department's behalf.


1990s
In September 1992, after the government had convinced a federal appellate court to set aside the decisions of the first two federal courts on a jurisdictional technicality but without reaching the merits of the dispute, the House Judiciary Committee published an Investigative Report. The Committee confirmed the government's theft of PROMIS and supplemented the earlier judicial finding with investigative leads indicating that friends of the Reagan White House had been allowed to sell and distribute the stolen PROMIS software domestically and overseas for their personal financial gain and in support of the intelligence and foreign policy objectives of the United States. The Committee called upon the Attorney General immediately to compensate Inslaw for the harm that the government had "egregiously" inflicted on Inslaw. The government ignored the recommendation.

In May 1995, the Senate ordered the U.S. Court of Federal Claims to determine if the United States owes Inslaw compensation for the government's use of PROMIS. In August 1998, the Chief Judge of the court sent an Advisory Report to the Senate stating that Inslaw owns the copyright to PROMIS and never granted the government a license to modify PROMIS to create derivative software. The Advisory Report further stated that the United States would be liable to Inslaw for copyright infringement damages if the government had created any unauthorized derivatives from PROMIS. That court has exclusive jurisdiction over copyright infringement claims against the government.

The government denied during the proceedings that it had ever modified PROMIS for applications in U.S. and foreign law enforcement and intelligence agencies and banks, as Inslaw had been told.

In early 1999, Gordon Thomas, a British journalist and author, published an authorized history of the Israeli Mossad intelligence agency. The book, entitled Gideon's Spies: the Secret History of the Mossad, included extensive admissions about the theft and re-sale of PROMIS by the long-time former deputy director of the Mossad. He claimed that Israeli intelligence had collaborated with the U.S. Justice Department on the theft of PROMIS from Inslaw, that the FBI and CIA were among the agencies of the U.S. intelligence community that adapted PROMIS to track the intelligence information they produce, that U.S. intelligence also adapted PROMIS to track financial transactions in the banking sector, and that U.S. and Israeli intelligence created a Trojan horse version of PROMIS and sold in excess of $500 million worth of that version to foreign intelligence agencies to spy on them.

In 2001,the The Washington Times and Fox News each published reports about PROMIS which they attributed to federal law enforcement and/or intelligence officials familiar with the debriefing of former FBI Agent Robert Hanssen, whom the FBI had arrested for espionage for the Soviet Union and Russia in February 2001. Each of these news reports stated that Hanssen had stolen for the Soviet KGB copies of the PROMIS-derivative software used in the FBI and U.S. intelligence agencies to keep track of the intelligence information they produce and copies of the PROMIS-derivative software that U.S. intelligence installed in banks to track the financial transactions of terrorists and others. Both news reports also stated that Osama bin Laden later bought copies of these software systems on the Russian black market for $2 million and that al Qaeda used the software to penetrate U.S. intelligence database systems so that it could move its funds through the banking system and so that it could evade detection and monitoring by U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies.

The government has never paid Inslaw for any of these unauthorized, copyright-infringing derivatives of PROMIS.


Bibliography
The Octopus: Secret Government and the Death of Danny Casolaro by Kenn Thomas and Jim Keith (Feral House, US, 2005, paperback ISBN 0-922915-91-1)
The Attorney General's refusal to provide congressional access to "privileged" INSLAW documents : hearing before the Subcommittee on Economic and Commercial Law of the Committee on the Judiciary, House of Representatives, One Hundred First Congress, second session, December 5, 1990. Washington : U.S. G.P.O. : For sale by the Supt. of Docs., Congressional Sales Office, U.S. G.P.O, 1990. Superintendent of Documents Number Y 4.J 89/1:101/114
PROMIS : briefing series. Washington, D.C. : Institute for Law and Social Research, 1974-1977. " series of 21 Briefing Papers for PROMIS (Prosecutor's Management Information System), this publication was prepared by the Institute for Law and Social Research (INSLAW), Washington, D.C., under a grant from the Law Enforcement Assistance Administration (LEAA), which has designated PROMIS as an Exemplary Project." OCLC Number 5882076

References
Washington Times Web Archive (Registration Required)
From the Wilderness - Osama Link to PROMIS

External links
Inslaw/PROMIS
The Inslaw Affair
The INSLAW Octopus — an article on wired.com
"The PROMIS software, used by police, is bugged"
"Michael C. Ruppert's articles on Promis"
FBI’S INCAPACITATING COVER-UP by William A. Hamilton
Promisgate: World's longest spy scandal still glossed over / Part I
Promisgate: World's longest spy scandal still glossed over /Part II
Promisgate: World's longest spy scandal still glossed over /Part III
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecutor%27s_Management_Information_System"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecutor's_Management_Information_System
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:17 PM
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70. kick!
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:20 PM
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71. There's a headline that reads;
Cheney hospitalized for a blood clot. When I saw that I thought, "Hot damn the son of a bitch is dead." But when my eyes focused I saw it for what it was; Either someone in the administration tried to kill him or a cover story with which he can safely resign, saying health problems...
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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 08:54 PM
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72. K & R n/t
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