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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:51 PM
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I wonder why McCain is pushing the "town hall" style meetings with Obama?

Is he so deluded that he thinks he'll come off well to the public in these town hall formats?

Is he convinced that Obama will surely come off better in the the debate-style format? (Like Nixon v. Kennedy in 1960.)

I think he will bomb spectacularly in any format vs. Obama, unless the suck-up corporate press props him up as they did Bush vs. both Gore and Kerry. That thought truly scares me.


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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:52 PM
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1. Its the only way he can get the same amount of
people in an audience.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:55 PM
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29. That is what Rachel Maddow said. Makes sense. Also Obama's strong
suit is not debating. He improved a great deal over the last year - but still he rarely won, if at all.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:54 PM
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2. He absolutely sucks in every other format.
Town hall format is where he sucks the least.

The MSM is truly his only chance.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:54 PM
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3. This is great for Obama, IMO.
We've seen him fire up a crowd of 20,000. What people need to see more of from Obama is the policy wonk side. It's tough to have an in depth discussion on foreign affairs with a basketball arena. This is going to backfire for McCain.
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texasleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:54 PM
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4. He will get cheap applause with "patriotic" phrases.
Edited on Thu Jun-12-08 12:55 PM by texasleo
Those applause lines will be played over and over again on the news programs. Obama will be depicted us "unpatriotic."
Obama has too much to lose.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:54 PM
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5. He's nearly broke, Obama has lots of $$$,...
...and he wants to piggyback.
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my2sense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:57 PM
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6. Exactly!
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:59 PM
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9. This is the only answer that makes sense to me n/t
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:59 PM
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10. How will a "town hall" vs. a "debate" help him piggyback more?
:shrug:

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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:16 PM
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20. The Debates are a likely given and (I believe) the dates...
...are set.

If I recall, McSame wanted 10 town halls this summer and to travel WITH Obama to at least the first one. IMHO, he wanted the publicity, free air time and to manipulate the Obama campaign into paying some of his expenses.

Financial desperation leads to many actions.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:22 PM
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21. And because if Obama turns him down, he can whine "I wanted to but he was scared"
or some such. Make an offer no one wants, and you can take credit for the offer.

Hey, want a poke in the eye with a sharp stick? No? You never take me up on my offers.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:18 AM
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43. Also a good point!
I actually don't mind the town hall debates, but make mcsame pony up for his own damn transportation and don't have them before the conventions and not at the expense of the scheduled debates.
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:58 PM
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7. Because they're free?
And he doesn't do well with big audiences, unlike our candidate.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:00 PM
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13. I didn't realize "town hall meetings" were a money-saving proposition
over regular debates.

Interesting.

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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:06 PM
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18. Debates would probably be free, too, because the networks would pay for the time
I think any meeting between McCain and Obama has to favor McCain financially.
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:26 PM
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22. It's cheaper than TV ad buys.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002216444_bush23.html">McCain would get free air time with 10 town hall style meetings and he can't afford to buy as much TV time as Obama will be able to. He'll get further air time as the news media replays the exchanges. Being a town hall style meeting, McCain can plant some supporters that will throw him some softball questions that he can use to deliver rehearsed answers.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:58 PM
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8. McNUts usually does a good job at town halls because he has
the ability to pull off jokes quite well with people and is very relaxed and comfortable in that setting. It however is also risky for him. It was the TH setting when he made the "stay in Iraq for 100 years" gaff. His campaign thinks this is his BEST forum though.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:04 PM
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17. His lame jokes and that creepy smile . . .
I'm looking forward to seeing how that works for him!

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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 12:59 PM
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11. Probably because he's worried about vomiting on stage during a normal debate
He's a nervous wreck because his handlers are suppressing his rage instinct.
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:00 PM
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12. He thinks he'll pull Obama off his game
by getting him off the podium and away from stump speeches.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:02 PM
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16. A regular debate would do that too (pull him off stump speeches)
at least to some extent anyway.

From what I've seen, Obama can think much quicker off the cuff than McCain, so that would come in handy in either format.

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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:06 PM
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19. Obama tends to overthink what he says
hence the "uh"s in his speech at the debates. However, this is much more effective in preventing gaffes and it shows an unwillingness to take the easy way out with cheap, pre-wrapped soundbites--so I'll take it. It doesn't detract from the intelligence of what he says, unlike Dubya.

Once the crowd gets a taste of McCain's awkward, hoarse laughter after a horribly-delivered line written by his speechwriters the gloves will be off.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:01 PM
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33. I read the results of a study recently about that
about the "uhs" in people's speech. It said that those pauses help people really listen to the speaker. That people retained what was said much better when the speaker sprinkled those in.

Now, I'm one who cringes when someone throws, "like" or "you know" in with every other word. Makes mild-mannered me want to slap the person.

But I do think that Obama is making good use of those pauses -- to think about what he's saying. And as a benefit, that technique may actually be helping him communicate more effectively!
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 05:47 PM
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39. I think over time he can train himself not to do that, but to pause
silently, and then continue. That's even more effective I think.




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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 05:55 PM
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42. I wish I could find this thing
but that's what surprised me. Apparently, that's not what they found. It was the uhs and ums that made it easier for the audience to absorb whatever the speaker was saying.

As I said, I'm going from memory here, but I remember it because it surprised me.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:02 PM
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14. He can't give a speech and he is a bad debater. So this what he does best
so he is hoping to be compared to Obama in the best possible light.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:02 PM
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15. He can't debate Obama and he knows the corporate media will blow off
Obama in this town hall format focusing on him and his "popularity" just like they did with Bush back when he was running against Bush.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:28 PM
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23. Free airtime.
Plain and simple.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:39 PM
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25. Same as debates.
I was trying to discern why town-hall formats seemed to be preferable to debates for McCain, in my OP.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:32 PM
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24. It's content free also
Just throw a few people in the audience to ask swiftboat questions at Obama. It's a great way to keep the debate about anything other than the current state of the country.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:40 PM
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26. True. Debates are more pointed questions. Town-halls are BS-y.
nt
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:32 PM
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37. Of course it depends
That one Charlie Gibson debate was horrible, so debates are very dependent on the moderator. Town hall can be excellent so long as the crowd isn't packed. W in 2000 completely bombed in a MTV townhall where 17 year olds were out thinking him on questions, then spent his presidency talking to fake stacked audience town halls.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:43 PM
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27. He wants someone really popular with him on the campaign trail? n/t
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:47 PM
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28. LOL. True enough!
Clever move then.

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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:57 PM
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30. he probably would like to be in front of an actual crowd,
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:59 PM
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31. yes, and I think that will cause him to melt-down
should be fun to watch, though


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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:10 PM
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35. oh yeah, can't wait to see a split screen. I hope it will be on a high def channel.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 01:59 PM
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32. Yes, I agree with you on all points.
He's probably surrounded by yes-people who tell him how great he'll be in that format. (Probably thinking he won't have to read a teleprompter that way, lol)

But I think in any format, he's going to come across terribly vs. Obama.

And yes, the MSM treatment frightens me, too.
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BonnieJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:03 PM
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34. He'll come off REALLY well
if he can park enough plants in the meeting.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:14 PM
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36. McLame needs the audience & also wants Obama to
split the costs of flying around on Cindy's jet.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:54 PM
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38. My friends, my friends, my friends.
Town hall is a more intimate setting where he feels he can connect with people. He is not good at more abstract mass media events or with large audiences.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 05:50 PM
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40. Because he is terrible at debates. If Obama holds out for debates,
McCain is in trouble. Plus, it will get much more media exposure.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 05:52 PM
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41. He wants help from his Bushie Media and Toady Media pals.
maybe they can get Gibson and Steffie to host it and ask those incisive questions again.

:puke:
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:50 AM
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44. "Town Halls" and what passed for "debates" so far both suck
I'm all for real debates with Moyers moderating.
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