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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:34 AM
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It Was Top Down, Stupid: The Bush administration's "bad apples" theory goes sour.

It Was Top Down, Stupid

The Bush administration's "bad apples" theory goes sour.

By Phillipe Sands
Posted Wednesday, June 18, 2008, at 1:19 PM ET

When the Abu Ghraib scandal hit in the summer of 2004, two of the administration's most senior lawyers—White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales and the Defense Department's General Counsel Jim Haynes—stood before the world's media and laid out the official explanation for newly aggressive interrogation within the U.S. military: It was the result of a bottom-up request from an aggressive combatant commander at Guantanamo; it was implemented within the law and on the basis of careful legal advice; and it produced useful and important results. These new techniques had been essential in getting vital security information from men they labeled "the worst of the worst."

A memo Gonzales and Haynes made public that day sketched out this move to military cruelty. Written by Haynes and signed by Donald Rumsfeld on Dec. 2, 2002, the document discarded a military prohibition on cruelty promulgated by President Lincoln as long ago as 1863. Haynes' memo recommended 15 new techniques, including nudity and forced grooming, humiliation and deception, dogs, sleep deprivation, and stress positions like standing for up to four hours. Three other techniques—including water-boarding—were not given blanket approval, although their future use in individual cases was not rejected, either. Rumsfeld approved the memo, scribbling next to his signature authorizing these techniques the observation, "However, I stand for 8-10 hours a day. Why is standing limited to 4 hours?"

Four years after that memo became public, Congress has moved to examine the accuracy of the administration's account of the circumstances under which it was prepared. The author of the Rumsfeld memo became the subject of extensive questioning Tuesday before the Senate armed services committee. Many will say it is too little and too late. I disagree. Congress has a vital role to play in establishing accountability for the American torture policy, although yesterday's faltering efforts to jog Jim Haynes' memory hardly inspire confidence that it can do so.

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Unless the United States takes remedial actions, it is likely there will be criminal investigations abroad. Why? Because, as acting CIA General Counsel John Rizzo once told Congress, "a crime is a crime." The same point was made to me by a European judge and a prosecutor who have looked at the materials. There can be no doubt that the aggressive interrogation of Mohammed al-Qahtani (aka Detainee 063, alleged to be the 20th hijacker) amounted to torture and violated Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions (prohibiting cruelty and torture) and the 1984 Convention Against Torture. As a war crime and an act of torture, it can thus be prosecuted anywhere in the world.

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I am very confident that Haynes is not the worst or least competent lawyer in the history of the Executive branch. He is not dumb, and on his own he could not possibly have concluded, sincerely and honestly, that all of the techniques in question did not violate any of the many legal restrictions -- and to have done so notwithstanding all of the military lawyers' advice to the contrary.

Which means that the first scenario must be the truth:

Haynes advised Rumsfeld that the techniques were lawful for the simple reason that he had been advised by the Office of Legal Counsel that the President had the constitutional power to ignore the torture statute and the UCMJ (and that Article 16 and the "humaneness" directive were inoperative and/or toothless), and because Haynes knew that the CIA (and DOD Special Forces) were already using such techniques in reliance on such OLC advice.

If this second scenario is true -- if Haynes's advice was based almost exclusively on the OLC analysis that the statutes and treaties could be ignored, as is quite obviously the case -- then it is hard to avoid the conclusion that Haynes repeatedly dissembled (less polite observers might say perjured himself) in his sworn testimony yesterday, in an attempt to distort the historical record (and, likely, in order to conform his testimony to his previous dubious testimony during his confirmation hearings). (For further explanation of why Haynes did not simply acknowledge that he was relying on OLC advice, see Philippe Sands's column in Slate today. And don't forget to read David Luban below, dissecting the Administration's mantra that its use of the enhanced techniques "saved innocent lives.")

Neither possibility puts Haynes in a very flattering light, to say the least.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:04 AM
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1. Ex-State Dept. official: Hundreds of detainees died in U.S. custody, at least 25 murdered.

Ex-State Dept. official: Hundreds of detainees died in U.S. custody, at least 25 murdered.

At today’s House Judiciary Subcommittee on Civil Rights hearing on torture, Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff to Colin Powell, told Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) that over 100 detainees have died in U.S. custody, with up to 27 of these declared homicides:

NADLER: Your testimony said 100 detainees have died in detention; do you believe the 25 of those were in effect murdered?

WILKERSON: Mr. Chairman, I think the number’s actually higher than that now. Last time I checked it was 108.

A February 2006 Human Rights First report found that although hundreds of people in U.S. custody had died and eight people were tortured to death, only 12 deaths had “resulted in punishment of any kind for any U.S. official.”

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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:06 AM
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2. Yeap, another story that'll get burried in the MsM leeches
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 11:17 AM
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4. If no one is paying attention, it will be. n/t
Edited on Thu Jun-19-08 11:18 AM by ProSense
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 02:21 PM
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11. I will NOT let this sink
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 03:08 PM
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14. Thanks. n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:18 AM
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3. Two must-read pieces
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 12:09 PM
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6. thanks for the links
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 04:51 PM
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17. Kick 'cause we can no longer allow this
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 11:55 AM
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5. war criminals
committing crimes in our names
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 12:26 PM
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7. (Links) Amy did the hour on torture today. Dr. Reisner, APA dissident,
Edited on Thu Jun-19-08 12:27 PM by sfexpat2000
the foreign editor for McClatchy, Dr. Keller from Bellvue Torture Survivors who did a study with 11 former detainees, Mark Benjamin from Salon who covered Levin's hearing. Well worth the time investment. Video and transcripts.

Re Levin's hearing:

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/19/congressional_hearings_sheds_new_light_on

Re APA psychologists enabling torture:

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/19/as_senate_confirms_psychologists_helped_devise

Re study confirms torture:

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/19/broken_laws_broken_lives_medical_study

Re McClatchy study of 66 former detainees:

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/19/mcclatchy_interviews_66_fmr_prisoners_held
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 03:01 PM
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13. I will NOT let this sink
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 01:33 PM
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8. Exams show torture of U.S.-held detainees: report

Exams show torture of U.S.-held detainees: report

By Deborah Charles
Wed Jun 18, 5:23 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Medical examinations of 11 former terrorism suspects held by U.S. troops found proof of physical and psychological torture resulting in long-term damage, a human rights advocacy group said on Wednesday.

Mistreatment cited by the men included beatings and other physical and sexual abuse, isolation, forced nakedness and being forced into painful stress positions with hands and feet bound.

"The evaluations provide evidence of violation of criminal laws prohibiting torture and of the commission of war crimes by U.S. personnel," said the report by the Cambridge, Mass.-based Physicians for Human Rights.

Also on Wednesday, three former U.S. interrogators told a seminar that abusive techniques were counterproductive and urged that they be banned. "These coercive techniques are not working," Joe Navarro, a former senior FBI interrogator, said at an event hosted by the Center for Strategic and International Studies and Human Rights First.

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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 02:00 PM
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9. kick
I will NOT let this sink.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 02:14 PM
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10. Bush, Rumsfeld & Cheney approved of the Tortture.
These men & others allowed Torture & are responsible for War Crimes.

Will any of them ever be held accountable?
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 02:26 PM
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12. congress's choice: 1) impeachment or 2) pardons all around for everyone. nt
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 03:10 PM
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15. Congress - No Murder In My Name
Impeach War All Criminals.

The Constitution Compels You To Do It.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 04:02 PM
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16. DONE IN OUR NAMES
T O R T U R E





Gen. Taguba: Bush Administration Committed War Crimes

The Army general who first investigated the abuse at Abu Ghraib has accused the Bush administration of committing war crimes. Retired Major General Antonio Taguba made the comment in a new report about US torture practices. Taguba wrote, “The commander in chief and those under him authorized a systematic regime of torture.” Taguba went on to say, “The only question that remains to be answered is whether those who ordered the use of torture will be held to account.” <snip>

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/19/headlines#1





Thursday, June 19, 2008
The Great Torture Scandal

McClatchy and other reporters are abruptly pulling the curtain away from the Bush team's illegal practices in arresting people arbitrarily, declining to offer proof that they were guilty of anything, detaining them indefinitely without trial or charges, and deliberately torturing them to the extent of leaving long-term scars and disabilities. The torture practices originated not with lower-level officers but with Donald Rumsfeld and others in Bush's inner circle, who then later blamed lower-level officials for developing the ideas that Rumsfeld ordered them to develop. Nothing they have done has survived a court challenge where one has been permitted.<snip>

http://www.juancole.com/2008/06/great-torture-scandal.html





A Senate investigation has concluded that top Pentagon officials began assembling lists of harsh interrogation techniques in the summer of 2002 for use on detainees at Guantanamo Bay and that those officials later cited memos from field commanders to suggest that the proposals originated far down the chain of command, according to congressional sources briefed on the findings.<snip>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/16/AR2008061602779.html
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 07:57 PM
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18. kick
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 08:39 PM
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19. The Global War on Habeas
Edited on Thu Jun-19-08 08:39 PM by ProSense
Thursday, June 19, 2008

The Global War on Habeas

JB

My Op-Ed on Boumediene appears in this week's U.S. News and World Report online. My starting point is John Ashcroft's abortive proposal to suspend habeas corpus shortly after 9/11. The idea was quickly scuttled by Congress; but if we connect the dots between the treatment of Yasser Hamdi, Jose Padilla, and the detainees at Guantanamo, Bagram, and the CIA black sites, we'll see that the spirit of the proposal lived on: the Bush Administration sought to get rid of habeas by other means.

The Administration also sought to get rid of other obligations, like those in the Geneva Conventions, that would have required fair processes for sorting out combatants and noncombatants, and ensuring that detainees were treated humanely. Indeed, one can't understand the fight over habeas in the courts apart from the Adminstration's decision to avoid procedural obligations of fair treatment under Geneva.

The point of getting rid of habeas and those procedures required under international law was not simply incapacitation of dangerous persons: it was to avoid accountability for what the Administration did to detainees, whether it was driving Jose Padilla literally insane or the abuse and torture at Gitmo, Bagram and the black sites.

The Administration didn't simply want to hold people: it wanted to interrogate people and it wanted to use torture and various forms of prisoner abuse as an interrogation technique. Like the obligations under Geneva, habeas hearings might get in the way of that strategy, even if habeas only reached the question of the legality of detention, and not conditions of confinement.

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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:10 AM
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20. the few bad applies were
bush, cheney, libby, rove, rumsfeld, condi,...
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