THEY ARE ON MY TEAM!!!!!!!!!!C.Y.A

[nadinbrzezinski]

Yep they say that there is a sucker born every day... and now I am convinced, BOTH parties count on this

At least BOTH MODERN PARTIES

After all, as long as MY TEAM is winning who gives a fuck?

This little matter with FISA is extremely serious. They don't care about us, the base, except two days every two years.. the damn primaries, in which they count most folks will not show and the GE, where my guy is the devil I know, so why vote for somebody else

Why are things as screwed as they are in DC? Read above...

Until we are willing to vote the bums out... REGARDLESS of what letter is behind their name, every time they applaud NOT defending the most basic of rights, they will continue to do what they do.. they can count on you.. really.

Granted, the Dems are better for my pocket book for the moment... but they aren't that much better for my civil rights SEE FISA. And it is NOT all dems, just them DLC, Blue Dog, Conservative, family values crowd... who are almost indistinguishable from the God, Gays and Guns crowd, after all they are going FOR THAT CROWD

So it is time to stop voting your Letter and vote your values... PERIOD.

And I know what some will say... but, but, but if you vote against the dem you are voting for the Con... yep, they also count on that.

Congrats!!!!!!!

There is a sucker born every day indeed.

And in a country where only 50% even bother to vote any more in a general election.... well this is also why

I will vote in November, but I hold no illusions any longer

If, and that is a big IF, Obama gets elected... (after all the Rs will do all they can to steal it once again), I expect little to change. Will be better for my pocket book. But in reality, I expect little to change when it comes to my civil rights... and two years from now, in 2010, we will hear again, but, but vote for us once again and we will protect you... SUCKERS!

Oh and one final thing... when the tribunal for war crimes finally convenes, hopefully in my life time, those who have enabled this (yes the leadership) need to stand in the docket with Powell, Rummy, Sanches, , Bush and the four stars of DOJ (Yoo and company)...

They are guilty and should be prosecuted as well, for they are at this point, at the very least, stopping the wheels of justice.

And we... are also responsible... for allowing and enabling this by falling for it every time...

Those of you who doubt this must go to the library and take out NIehmuler's Moral Man in an Immoral Society, or Hannah Arend's many good books... but make no mistake, all these crimes were committed in your name, and you and I are also responsible...

And here is a last tidbit, your grand kids (I don't have any children) will pay for this... as well.

[stevedeshazer]

1. It's pretty goddam hard to root for Team Democrat when our Speaker sells out.

I believe Nancy and Steny knew all about this telecom dreck and the torture and the lies and stood by, mute. They're covering for themselves.

The only remedy is a movement by the progressives in the House to remove them from power, and that's a stretch.

They don't represent us. They represent the wealthy.

Republican 'Lite' who brag about raising the minimum wage from ridiculous to intolerable.

In my heart, I know they do not represent Democratic values.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. It is CYA pure and simple... they are guilty of war crimes

but they most be removed (by peaceful means mind you)

[kentuck]

3. Someone needs to sit them down around a table and let them know...

OUR FREEDOMS AND THE RULE OF LAW ARE NON-NEGOTIABLE !! DO YOU GET IT ?

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. They don't... we have several tools right now

and the best is VOTING ALL OF THEM OUT... assuming we can have clean elections

The rest... well this comes to mind

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation"

Yes, the time is quickly coming when we either surrender or get far more active

Let me refer you to the Declaration again

"In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people."

Yes, we are at that point in our current condition

[tavalon]

24. Constitutional crisis

Do We The People have the stomach for that?

[stevedeshazer]

7. They've changed the rules

So now, I am more afraid of congressional Democrats than I am of the Republican ones.

The system is poisoned.

This was supposed to be our year. It's just more of the same.

:(

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. You are right and part of the change is base, who gives a fuck?

[tavalon]

23. They seem to think that they get to decide if freedom and the rule of law are non-negotiable

and in fact, they seem to find them imminently negotiable.

[hootinholler]

4. Unfortunately I can't respond as I wish.

You seem to have the gist of it.

-Hoot

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. thanks edited

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. thanks edited

[Individualist]

16. Ditto

I believe I understand what you mean. :applause:

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Trust me you two, I had to keep it publishable

and I get it

[dana_b]

6. you got it so right

now you've been bad but we'll let you go this time. Just don't do it again....

blech :banghead:

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. I just wish I dind't

[kentuck]

12. If they had any decency...

They would resign their positions. If, for no other reason, pure unadulterated stupidity.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. They have none

and the US Constitution is a fucking damn piece of paper!

Actions speak louder than words

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Kick

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Kick

[Richard Steele]

17. K&R

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. thanks

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

20. I have said this before, so many times. We have 2 parties that are opposames. They

appear to be different, etc social, financial..but in reality, when it comes to what really matters (our freedoms) they are the same, and we the people are so damned fucked. This is not a conspiracy theory. It is a conspiracy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Yep, but it bears repeating every time they do this wonderful CYA

[tavalon]

22. Yeah, I'm wondering how the Dems are going to spin it when

they actually achieve the super majority in Congress and have a Dem as President. I have a feeling the spin at that point will be as dizzying as anything Ari Fleischer and Tony "spin 'til you puke" Snow ever gave us.

I get that we're being played and many more around here are catching on but I don't have a clue what to do about it. I'm doubting that voting out the bastards works anymore. I'm not even sure voting is even much more than a dog and pony show.