Harman has just said her constiuents are telling her not to give immunity to telcos

[still_one]

still she is going to support it because it is better than what was before

You must wonder why so many Democrats are willing to allow the violation of law along with their republican counterparts

[jgraz]

1. They don't give a shit what we think. This is about covering their own asses.

[babylonsister]

2. Who the hell does she work for?

:nuke:

[still_one]

7. Exactly /nt

[truebrit71]

3. That logic just defies me...

"I'll vote for this because it's only ONE black eye instead of two"....

The Congressional Dems are a useless bunch of goddamned spineless pussies...

I am sick of them.

[still_one]

5. Worse yet, she is telling her constiuents she could care less what they think /nt

[Tippy]

16. Have to make a believer out of her.....

Get organized write letters and make phone calls to your Rep. as groups....instead of individules...write letters to the editor...have as many people sign it as you can get...you do have top make sure they are all in your Congress critters district....It all boils down to the numbers.......

[LSparkle]

4. Made me sick ... In the case of a "tie", aren't the constituents supposed to WIN?

She just admitted that she's overruling the voters of
her district because of her own judgment that this is
"an improvement" over the prior FISA law ... An "improve-
ment" by WHOSE STANDARDS, JANE? Do you think your
constituents are BETTER SERVED by increased surveillance?
Or is this bill BETTER FOR YOU because YOU served as the
Intelligence Committee ranking member during the time
when some of this crap went down? WHOSE INTERESTS
ARE YOU SERVING????

[still_one]

6. After we win in 2008, it will be time to challenge some of these people

who have been in office too long with new people who believe in Democratic principles

[wryter2000]

13. Yup

I told Difi if she votes for it, I'll support someone to run against her in the primary next time she has to run. I'll be looking at her vote. Same with Boxer and Barbara Lee (although, I know Lee will do the right thing.)

[Donnachaidh]

8. is she up for re-election? n/t

[still_one]

9. I don't know, she isn't in my district /nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. All reps are up for reelection every two years

[newmajority]

10. Harman is the textbook example of a worthless DLC scum

If she doesn't represent her constituents, she doesn't belong in Congress.

[Wizard777]

11. That will not survive contact with SCOTUS.

1) Congress is overstepping their authority by trying to grant a Pardon. Sorry only the President can do that.

2) It's an Ex Post Facto Law. That's a Constitutional no no.

[wryter2000]

15. In a rational world, that would be true

But, Bush has 4 guaranteed votes on SCOTUS. Still, I hope you're right. :hi:

[ColbertWatcher]

17. Please explain what Ex Post Facto is!

I think an explanation of that idea have its own thread.

You seem to understand it, would you please start a separate thread to explain it?

[Wizard777]

23. It's worthy of a reply. Not an entire thread. It's latin and it simply means "after the fact."

For the wire tapping to be legal. The law allowing it must be passed before the fact(wire tapping)occurs. You can't do the wire tapping then pass a law after the fact legalizing it. This ensures that you are tried for crimes by the laws at the time you commited the crime.

Now the application of this simple constitutional concept.......well never mind a thread. That could easily fill an entire board. I'll toss one out here. The use of DNA as evidence in cold cases. If you commited a crime before the law allowing DNA to be used as evidence. Then DNA cannot be used as evidence in a trial against you for that crime. It would be an Ex Post Facto application of the laws allowing DNA to be used as evidence. One of the problems authoratarians will immediately have with this is that it would allow someone you know to be guilty to go free. What authoritarians consistently fail to realize about the Constitution. Is that in writting the Document. The framers primary concern was in preserving freedom. Not punishing every last infraction of law to the nth degree. In a court system that would make the fire and brimstone of Judgement Day look like a liberal love fest.

[ColbertWatcher]

24. No, it does deserve it's own thread.

It is an important point that is being missed.

[ColbertWatcher]

26. I started one...

...here

Please add what you know.

[Wizard777]

28. You rebel!

Of course I'll contribute to the thread.

[ColbertWatcher]

30. LOL!

Ooh, I'm so "out there"!

Thank you.

[wryter2000]

12. What in hell is wrong with them?

I haven't checked, but I doubt my wonderful Barbara Lee will go along with this. I wish the Congress was full of Barbara Lees.

[spanone]

14. i hope they vote her ass out of office then. she is the voice of THE PEOPLE

[Freddie Stubbs]

18. She won her primary by a pretty big margin:

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/Returns/usrep/3659.htm

[snappyturtle]

19. Who is Harmon protecting? Not the people, so who? n/t

[mzmolly]

20. Who does she work for again? A descendant of Patrick Henry

called her office and was hung up on, according to CSPAN.

[TornadoTN]

21. The problem with our system is readily evident in her statement - Democracy is dieing.

Just because something is "better" than what we had before doesn't mean its the best action for this country.

She obviously has forgotten that she is elected to represent the people, not special interests. She is ignoring who she works for and silencing their voice. Democracy is failing and we are watching it die a slow death.

[Wizard777]

25. It's not dying. It's being murdered. There's a difference.

Democracy is not coming to a natural conclusion. It's being forced to an end.

[Zodiak]

22. How typical

Here is the DLC playbook:

If the country elects Republicans, then we must vote with the Republicans so we don't lose our seats.
If the country elects Democrats, then we must vote Republican or we will lose our seats.

No matter what, the DLC responds to Republicans and conservatives. That is all they know how to do. The left and regular people do even enter the equation.

This is why we must get rid of them.....with them in the party, it does not matter who bangs the gavel. Republicans will still be in charge.

[libnnc]

29. OUR LEGACY: War Crimes Domestic Spying Torture

**W A R C R I M E S**
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/41514.html



**I L L E G A L W I R E T A P S**
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/staff/marisa_taylor/story/16173.html




**T O R T U R E**

http://videos.mcclatchydc.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=1927337


This has become our legacy. DLCers on this board...ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?

[WhiteTara]

31. CYA n/t

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

32. Well it figures that someone who defies the will of the People won't support the Constitution

and won't vote to maintain the full force of the 4th amendment.

[cascadiance]

33. Jane, tell us what your REAL constituents think.. (aka your Korporate Kabal of Konstituents!)

These are the only ones you REALLY care about, because they share your goals of bein a part of an elite in a new feudal empire republic!