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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:29 AM
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Is White House Blocking Search for Bin Laden? ABC news
Pentagon Would Use Special Forces to Nab Bin Laden in Pakistan, New York Times Says

By MARTHA RADDATZ

June 30, 2008—

The Pentagon has drafted a secret plan that would send U.S. special forces into the wild tribal regions of Pakistan to capture or kill Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants, but the White House has balked at giving the mission a green light, The New York Times reported today.

The Bush administration, which has seven months left in its term, gave the go-ahead for the military to draw up the plan to take the war on terror across the Afghan border and into the mountains of Pakistan where bin Laden is believed to be hiding, according to the newspaper.

Intelligence reports have concluded that bin Laden has re-established a network of new training camps, and the number of recruits in those camps has risen to as many as 2,000 in recent months from 200 earlier this year.

Although the special forces attack plan was devised six months ago, infighting among U.S. intelligence agencies and among White House offices have blocked it from being implemented, the Times reported.

The Bush team would like to leave office next January having put bin Laden, the man behind the Sept. 11 attacks, behind bars or in his grave.

MORE >>>>

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=5275304&page=1
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:31 AM
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1. "Not yet, you idiots! Make it last week of October"
Edited on Mon Jun-30-08 10:33 AM by Richardo
:dunce:



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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:32 AM
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2. Amazing...with all that satelitte technology, we can't locate Osama
going on 7 years. Maybe he's been hiding in a box, buried 6 feet underground.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:37 AM
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4. No shit. Quack. There are satellites that can count the hairs on your head, yet "can't find" him.
They don't want or need to...and I'm sure they know exactly where he's at, or if he's long dead.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 11:19 AM
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20. It's hard to see the hairs on his head...
through his magic turban.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:33 AM
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3. "and don't get my friend bin Laden, just his number 2's"
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:38 AM
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5. Can't use Special Forces in Pakistan -- they're too busy in Iran.
And, does anyone else think it's a bad idea to waltz into other countries, especially countries with nukes, without their permission?
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:39 AM
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6. Benazir Bhutto already told us what happened to bin Laden.....
.... He's as dead as Julius Caesar.

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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:50 AM
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12. When they want him, that won't matter.
When it's time to parade Osama to the American public, there will be an Osama. They'll give us the fat one or the grey one or perhaps a whole other new one - a short one maybe, so boosh doesn't feel so small?
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:39 AM
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7. MSNBC reporting that CIA and WH have been arguing over the "strategy." As a result,
nothing's been done and bin Laden's forces have grown to several thousand in Pakistan, ready, willing and able to carry out their next mission.

Thanks, BushCo, for the Iraq War! :sarcasm:
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:40 AM
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8. "War on terror?" No such war exists. War OF Terror, does, however
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:42 AM
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9. Word
nt
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:43 AM
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10. It's just a small favor to the family
The least bu$h could do as they have enabled most of the bu$h agenda
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:44 AM
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11. Hard to kill a ghost.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:51 AM
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13. It would help to know which bin Ladin the WH wants to display before they go in.
Hell, they probably can't even remember which is which.


Are they wanting to nab the anorexic bin Ladin or the more robust one that managed to gain weight in his nasal area?




The old bin Ladin from 2004, or the more youthful and vibrant looking and one from 2007?



:crazy:

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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:56 AM
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17. haha
:rofl:

Notice that the guy in the bottom right has narrower shoulders? Couldn't they have bothered to put pads in his outfit?
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 11:11 AM
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19. And his beard has been trimmed and shaped. I thought it was an absolute "NO NO!" to cut the
beard in his brand of Islam? Weren't the Taliban cutting off the noses of those who trimmed their beards in Afghanistan?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:53 AM
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14. Someone must have been asleep at ABC news for someone to be
able to slip this one through.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:54 AM
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15. They need their scariest bogeyman to stay alive...
How could they broadcast Bin Laden videos to scare the shit out of us if there was no BinLaden?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:54 AM
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16. they are waiting for the most political opportune time
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 11:00 AM
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18. We're arguing over bringing in the bogeyman
I'd be surprised if Bin Laden was alive for more than a year after 9/11- he was in failing health the summer before when he stopped by and we gave him medical treatment.

Meanwhile, I heard that 5 or more of the "hijackers" were wandering around days after the attack. Miracles seem to abound when Bushco is in charge.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:01 PM
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21. Someone should remind the NYT of this article they did...
The Death of bin Ladenism
By AMIR TAHERI
Published: July 11, 2002

Osama bin Laden is dead. The news first came from sources in Afghanistan and Pakistan almost six months ago: the fugitive died in December and was buried in the mountains of southeast Afghanistan. Pakistan's president, Pervez Musharraf, echoed the information. The remnants of Osama's gang, however, have mostly stayed silent, either to keep Osama's ghost alive or because they have no means of communication.

With an ego the size of Mount Everest, Osama bin Laden would not have, could not have, remained silent for so long if he were still alive. He always liked to take credit even for things he had nothing to do with. Would he remain silent for nine months and not trumpet his own survival?

Even if he is still in the world, bin Ladenism has left for good. Mr. bin Laden was the public face of a brand of politics that committed suicide in New York and Washington on Sept. 11, 2001, killing thousands of innocent people in the process.

What were the key elements of that politics?

The first was a cynical misinterpretation of Islam that began decades ago with such anti-Western ideologues as Maulana Maudoodi of Pakistan and Sayyid Qutb of Egypt. Although Mr. Maudoodi and Mr. Qutb were not serious thinkers, they could at least offer a coherent ideology based on a narrow reading of Islamic texts. Their ideas about Western barbarism and Muslim revival, distilled down to bin Ladenism, became mere slogans designed to incite zealots to murder.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9405EFDE1230F932A25754C0A9649C8B63


And they should read this one:

Fox News: "Bin Laden Already Dead"

Wednesday, December 26, 2001

Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader.

"The Coalition troops are engaged in a mad search operation but they would never be able to fulfill their cherished goal of getting Usama alive or dead," the source said.

Bin Laden, according to the source, was suffering from a serious lung complication and succumbed to the disease in mid-December, in the vicinity of the Tora Bora mountains. The source claimed that bin Laden was laid to rest honorably in his last abode and his grave was made as per his Wahabi belief.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html


Osama bin Laden is DEAD! Long live bin Laden!

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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 02:14 PM
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24. Benazir Bhutto identified Omar Sheikh as the murderer of Osama bin Laden.
Edited on Mon Jun-30-08 02:24 PM by seafan
In November, 2007 interview, Bhutto names Osama bin Laden's killer as Omar Sheikh.


Before her assassination, Benazir Bhutto identified Omar Sheikh as the murderer of Osama bin Laden.




Hat tip to Ghost in the Machine for these next two links:



NY Times

By AMIR TAHERI
Published: July 11, 2002

Osama bin Laden is dead. The news first came from sources in Afghanistan and Pakistan almost six months ago: the fugitive died in December and was buried in the mountains of southeast Afghanistan. Pakistan's president, Pervez Musharraf, echoed the information. The remnants of Osama's gang, however, have mostly stayed silent, either to keep Osama's ghost alive or because they have no means of communication.

.....



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html">FOX News

December 26, 2001


Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader.

"The Coalition troops are engaged in a mad search operation but they would never be able to fulfill their cherished goal of getting Usama alive or dead," the source said.

Bin Laden, according to the source, was suffering from a serious lung complication and succumbed to the disease in mid-December, in the vicinity of the Tora Bora mountains. The source claimed that bin Laden was laid to rest honorably in his last abode and his grave was made as per his Wahabi belief.

.....



(Although, if FOX said it was a "peaceful death", it would likely support the evidence of murder, as Bhutto indicated..)




Whether he was murdered or died a natural death, what all of these sources seem to agree upon, is that Bin Laden is dead. And it happened in late December, 2001.

Two months later, the highest-ranking US Senator who chaired the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence learned that Bush was moving military and intelligence assets and Predator drones out of Afghanistan and sending them to Iraq.

With bin Laden dead, Bush wanted to hot-foot it into Iraq to expand his new-fangled *War on Terror* before anyone noticed.




On February 19, 2002, Senator Bob Graham met with General Tommy Franks at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa. Franks informed Graham, to his great shock and surprise, that Bush was pulling forces out of Afghanistan and sending them to Iraq.



Senator Bob Graham writes:

At that point, General Franks asked for an additional word with me in his office. When I walked in, he closed the door. Looking troubled, he said, "Senator, we are not engaged in a war in Afghanistan."

"Excuse me?" I asked.

"Military and intelligence personnel are being redeployed to prepare for an action in Iraq," he continued. "The Predators are being relocated. What we are doing is a manhunt. We have wrapped ourselves too much in trailing Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar. We're better at being a meat ax than finding a needle in a haystack. That's not our mission, and that's not what we are trained or prepared to do."

It took me a second to digest what he had told me. General Franks's mission in Afghanistan--which, as a good soldier, he was loyally carrying out--was being downgraded from a war to a manhunt. What's more, the most important tools for a manhunt, the Predators, had been redeployed to Iraq at the moment they were most needed in Afghanistan.

I was stunned. This was the first time I had been informed that the decision to go to war with Iraq had not only been made but was being implemented, to the substantial disadvantage of the war in Afghanistan.

Franks continued, "We can finish this job in Afghanistan if we are allowed to do so. And there is a set of terrorist targets after Afghanistan. My first priority would be Somalia--there is no effective government to control the large number of terrorist cells. Next, I would go to Yemen. Its president is willing to help in the war on terrorism, but has no capabilities to do so. Iraq is a special case. Our intelligence there is very unsatisfactory. Some Europeans know more than we on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction..."

General Franks wasn't complaining; he was making a statement of fact. but the fact was damning. Here, General Franks, a four-star general and the commander of CENTCOM, was laying out for me how he would fight a true war on terrorism. Instead, his men and resources were being moved to Iraq, where he felt that our intelligence was shoddy. This admission was coming almost fourteen months before the beginning of combat operations in Iraq, and only five months after the commencement of combat in Afghanistan.

The more I thought about it, the more furious I became. Victory against al-Qaeda was in our grasp, and we were releasing the pressure. The redeployments were a tangible statement that not only did we not have the military or intelligence capability to simultaneously win an ongoing war in Afghanistan and take on Saddam Hussein in Iraq, but also that someone in the White House had put Saddam Hussein ahead of Osama bin Laden.

.....



Senator Bob Graham in Intelligence Matters, Chapter 12, pp. 122-128, published September 7, 2004.



ABC News: Is White House Blocking Search for Bin Laden?, June 30, 2008



Someone in the White House should be arrested, impeached, convicted and sent to the Hague for prosecution of war crimes.








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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 01:14 PM
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22. The LAST thing BushCo wants is to capture their Boogie Man

They truly need to be able to trot out some trumped-up, scare-mongering tape of Bin Laden at their convenience - when they hope to re-play their tired "scare the masses" act.

And BushCo especially need Bin Laden to play the role of their Emmanuel Goldstein a la 1984.

I wish someone could convince Bush himself that capturing Bin Laden would be the greatest legacy he could leave behind. But alas, no. They need Al Queda to NOT be found...
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 01:15 PM
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23. Nonsense! I went to google and was able to search for "bin Laden" with no problems...
it is NOT blocked!


oh.... wait.....
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