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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:39 AM
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The Cheney Gospels (Plame Thread #6)
"There had been a number of anonymous leaks to reporters from the intelligence community during the late spring and early summer of 2003, claiming that Vice President Cheney, his chief of staff, Lewis ‘Scooter’ Libby, and even former Speaker of the House of Representatives Newt Gingrich had pressured analysts to skew intelligence analysts to back up the administration’s preconceived political intentions." – The Politics of Truth; Joseph Wilson; page 6.

Yesterday’s testimony in the Libby trial featured Robert Grenier, a former top CIA official involved in overseeing the Agencies’ Iraqi operations, and Craig Schmall, the CIA briefer who worked with both Libby and Cheney. The testimony from both men, as well as the harsh questioning from Team Libby, served as a reminder of the tensions between the Office of the Vice President and the CIA.

In chapter 13 of "A Pretext for War," James Bamford told about the intense pressure the Bush administration was putting on the Agency to find "evidence" that supported the administration’s position that Iraq had an extensive WMD program, and an operational relationship with al-Qaeda. "And the pressure was not just subtle, it was blatant. At one point, (a) boss called a meeting and gave them their marching orders. ‘And he said, "You know what – if Bush wants to go to war, it’s your job to give him a reason to do so",’ according to the official. It was the first time the official had ever heard anyone order employees to slant their analysis for political purposes." (pages 333-334)

Bamford was told that Cheney "had also made very unusual visits to the agency to pressure analysts to come up with something to justify the war. " The CIA analysts told of being pressured "to find something nuclear" in November -December, 2002. They were also told to find "proof" that Saddam was supporting al-Qaeda.

In a 6-12-03 article in the Washington Post, Walter Pincus quoted a senior CIA official as saying, "Information not consistent with the administration agenda was discarded." Pincus noted, " intelligence officials have accused senior administration policymakers of pressuring the CIA or exaggerating intelligence information to make the case for war."

Bamford also quotes Larry Johnson, the former CIA official who later served as deputy director of the State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism: "In an e-mail exchange with a friend, I raised the possibility that ‘the Bush administration had bought into a lie.’ My friend, who works within the intelligence community, challenged me on the use of the word, ‘bought,’ and suggested instead that the Bush administration had created the lie…" (page 335)

It would require a book-length article to detail the extent of the lies coming from the Bush administration. Several books do just that, including Woodward’s "State of Denial" and Isikoff & Corn’s "Hubris." As I have noted in previous essays, the Office of the Vice President had a large degree of control over the White House Iraq Group (WHIG) and the Office of Special Plans (OSP). The WHIG did "perception management" operations, while the OSP, headed by Douglas Feith, did intelligence. On page 335 of "Hubris," the authors note "the CIA sent Feith a list of corrections that needed to be made to his memo – and disputed the reliability of several of the alarming reports he had cited."

The CIA analysts were aware that the OVP/WHIG/OSP were lying. There is no polite way to say that. Nor is there a need to be polite. Dick Cheney & Co, were purposely lying to the country to justify an attack on Iraq. And the OVP was furious when people at the CIA didn’t agree with them. In written testimony to congress, former CIA Counterterrorism chief Vince Cannistraro stated that Cheney and Libby made visits to the Agency to pressure analysts. Cheney "insisted that desk analysts were not looking hard enough for the evidence," according to Cannistraro. (Bamford; page 336)

" ‘I know the analyst who was subjected to withering questioning on the Iraq – al-Qaeda links by Libby with the Vice President sitting there,’ says a CIA analyst. ‘So I think there was an anger at the CIA for not getting it and being on board. The political side of the Administration was pissed at the CIA. So I can see how they responded to that…." (Time; 7-25-05; page 29)

As the OVP/WHIG/OSP became increasingly angry with the CIA, Dick Cheney became more involved in a high-profile attempt to sell the war. Bamford, as well as Corn & Isikoff, write about the number of times Cheney appeared on news programs to say that there was no doubt about Iraq’s WMD programs. More, Corn and Isikoff note that, "Just as he had done with the New York Times’ story on the aluminum tubes more than a year earlier, Cheney (who usually deplored leaks) was touting a leak of classified information to buttress the administration’s case for war – a leak that yet again rested on dubious intelligence.

"Cheney would go even further than the Feith memo. In an interview with NPR, he would claim that ‘there’s overwhelming evidence’ of an Iraq – al-Qaeda connection …He would also say the trailers found in Iraq were definitely mobile bioweapons labs." (page 336)

When Joseph Wilson challenged the Bush administration on VP Cheney’s outright lies, Cheney and Scooter freaked. Their lack of boundries was revealed in Grenier’s testimony yesterday, when he told of Libby ordering him out of a meeting with CIA director George Tenet. The contempt that Cheney and Libby felt for the Agency was expressed by the Team Libby attorney in the cross-examination.

Today, Cathy Martin is going to be on the witness stand. She will be important, because she will detail the conversations with Cheney and Libby on AF2, when Cheney directed Libby on how to deal with journalists on the Plame problem.

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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:40 AM
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1. A better title might be, "The Angina Monologues."
Just a suggestion.

mikey_the_rat
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:54 AM
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2. Thank you Mr. Waterman, for your tireless efforts in keeping us
all informed. Keep up the excellent work.

PEACE!

Ghost
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:59 AM
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3. What what part of this is not treason. Lying your country into a
disastrous no-win war is treason.

They all need to be tried.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:08 AM
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4. Panic in the White House
an interesting and important post from Peace Patriot


from Peace Patriot

Y'all think that's all they were doing--faking documents?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=22859&mesg_id=25691

And why were the Niger docs such bad forgeries--wrong dates, wrong names--that real intelligence agents exposed them in what, 24 hours?

I suspect that the Niger docs were intended to be "crude" forgeries (as they are often called)--that is, easily detectable. In the WMD-planting theory of Traitorgate, the Niger forgeries were intended to draw the CIA into a known position of no-nukes in Iraq. And the CIA was then to be discredited, when nukes (procured by infamous Iran-Contra arms dealer Manucher Ghorbanifar, who attended the Rome meeting with the head of SISMI and Ladeen in late 2001), were "found" by the US troops who were hunting for them in Iraq after the invasion. This "find" of WMDs in Iraq was also intended to cement Bush's and Blair's political positions. But something went wrong. Somebody interfered with that nuke movement. And that is what the Plame/Brewster-Jennings outings were all about. That was Plame/B-J's job--WMD counter-proliferation. This theory explains why there was such a panic in the White House in the week of July 7-14--with so many top Bushites involved in potential treason, and calling six reporters in one week to get Plame outed. It smells of panic (--that their plot was about to be disclosed). It also explains why they didn't out just Plame (July 14) but proceeded with the SECOND outing (July 22) of the entire CIA WMD counter-proliferation network, putting all of its covert agents/contacts at risk of getting killed, and disabling all projects. The latter was an excessive measure--far beyond any political motive of punishing Joe Wilson for his dissent--and carried added risk of treason charges. It was the counter-proliferation NETWORK they were after, possibly because they weren't sure who had foiled their nefarious scheme to plant phony WMD evidence in Iraq, so they outed everybody (by Novak publishing the company name, Brewster-Jennings in a followup column). (A possible candidate for discovering their dirty plot was David Kelly, the Brits' WMD expert who was found dead, under highly suspicious circumstances four days after Plame was outed; his computers and office were searched and, four days later, the entire B-J network was ADDITIONALLY outed by Novak.)

Really, I think it needs to be explained WHY the Niger forgeries were so bad. If what many suspect is true, that it was the Rome 2001 meeting, where the forgeries were concocted, they had the head of Italian intelligence involved--and they couldn't create GOOD forgeries? Then there's all that song and dance about people insisting that the Niger/Nuke allegation be put BACK in Bush's speeches, even after several agencies had proved them to be forgeries. Why do that? According to this theory, it had to be done--Bush had to say it--to set the context for discrediting and purging the CIA. when the planted nukes were "found" in Iraq, after the CIA said there weren't any--then the Bush Junta would be justified in purging all the honest professionals in that agency.

It's a quite interesting theory, and has held up well as more details have come out. And it has emotional truth. The evident panic among the Bushites to out Plame (why the rush? why call six reporters?). (This may be connected to something that was told to Tony Blair on July 7--that David Kelly "could say some uncomfortable things"--Hutton Report. Kelly had already been whistleblowing to the BBC about the "sexed up" pre-war WMD intel. What MORE did he know? If it was this--that he knew of the plan to plant the weapons--it would explain the panic and rush to out Plame and Brewster-Jennings, to silence or kill anyone else who knew.) On the emotional front, there is also the likelihood that the Bush Junta, rabid NeoCons like Ladeen, and Ghorbanifar (who hated the CIA), would not just forge documents for the political purpose of convincing the American people, and the world, that the war was justified, but would engage in the further deception of planting the weapons. Does anyone doubt that this is the sort of thing they would do? It seems a "natural" for them--especially with so much riding on a "find" on WMDs in Iraq. And, if they had such a scheme, what happened? Why didn't it go forward? I think it's a good bet that this is what Cheney and Libby are REALLY covering up--not just their participation in outing CIA agents, but the REAL reason why they did it.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:11 PM
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41. I think you wanted to use this link for PP's post:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:09 AM
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5. My daily Plame thread recommend.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:15 AM
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6. That's why Novak not only outed Plame
He outed Brewster Jennings.

Fitzgerald is brilliant. This trial is no longer about whether or not Libby lied. It is about the Bush Administration and the blatant lies they told in order to go to war.

I think I might start looking for a good rope company to invest in.

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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 10:45 AM
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19. If you smoke them out
The Libby trial will hopefully smoke any of the resistant termites out of the woodwork (woodwood)
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:15 AM
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7. great work as usual.
thank you:D
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:22 AM
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8. Will be interesting to see what Cathie Martin says
She is in a different category than the CIA people, being a public relations person and a woman.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:30 AM
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10. Right.
Martin will be able to document the response that Cheney and Libby had to what they viewed as an Agency "challenge" to the lies they told the American public. The fact that Cheney decided to have Libby handle specific reporters, rather than Martin, indicates how important the OVP response to Wilson was.

The change of pace is also a very good call on Mr. Fitzgerald's part. It will be very interesting to hear how Team Libby responds to Martin: if they attack her, they will risk alienating the jury. The other option is to try to have her make Dick and Scooter appear noble. That will be difficult.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:19 PM
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92. "The other option is to try to have her make Dick and Scooter
appear noble. That will be difficult."

LOL! Nobody needs to tell the Waterman, "brevity is the soul of wit!"
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4 t 4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 11:03 AM
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23. Thank you for this great post!
How can nothing come out of this ? This is treason plain and simple!
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:28 AM
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9. Calling John Conyers!
Doo-Doo + Fan = IMPEACHMENT!
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:30 AM
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11. Tenet also gets thrown under the bus
by Libby and the OVP in the process, hurtful to Tenet because he was, up to a point, a willing participant. Once he was set up to take the fall, he had very little recourse, but (TFH) I think this trial is part of his "middle finger salute" to the OVP.

Someone at FDL suggested that the CIA was actually providing info to Fitz in order to take down the OVP. Any thoughts on that?

K&R and thanks!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:40 AM
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13. The Agency had
informed the Department of Justice in a 9-16-03 letter that they had looked into the coordinated effort to leak Plame's identity, and requested that the DoJ undertake a criminal investigation of the matter. As a result, the Counterespionage Section of the DoJ made the request that the FBI initiate the investigation. This FBI investigation resulted in Mr. Fitzgerald being appointed. Both the FBI investigators and Mr. Fitzgerald have relied in part on information provided by the CIA.

I think that VP Cheney made some enemies along the way.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 11:57 AM
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31. Of that, I have no doubt.
I also think there's a huge difference (when talking about motivation for retribution) between Tenet taking the fall for something he initiated, or having to fall on his sword to cover a plan he didn't support -- especially when the plan he's accountable for was manufactured by Cheney. A plan which not only circumvented the system (by inserting the OSP in the mix), but also saw Darth using and discarding the Agency as he saw fit.
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:55 PM
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36. If I understood John Dean correctly, I think that Tenet is no longer covered by a claim of
Executive Priv. due to his time away from the Executive Branch. I always wondered if Tenet stepped down so he'd be able to testify about his conversations with the Exec Branch. and protect himself.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 04:21 PM
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63. It doesn't seem to me that a "company man" would spill.
That's why this seems to me like another way Tenet could be vindicated, yet not have it point back to him.
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:36 AM
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12. K&R - I really appreciate these threads of yours...
All the twists and turns of this case make it almost impossible to remember all the important little details. Without your threads I would be lost in the forest. It's so great to finally have the trial actually happening, the wait seemed like forever!

We live in some exciting and terrifying times, don't we, my friend. I hope and pray this is the beginning of the end for these criminals.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 10:09 AM
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14. Cheney's CNN temper tantrum yesterday underscored
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 10:23 AM by Pithy Cherub
several key behavioral points. He is the orginal Decider and it makes me believe that is exactly how he speaks to Bush, in absolutes. Cheney is a one dimensional thinker with all/nothing mentality that mental health professionals recognize as dangerous. Wolf caused Cheney to have an on air meltdown when he showed Cheney's prior statements about Saddam being in a box and questioning him to the change in view. His interview underscored that he was unwilling to admit any error, Cheney cherry picked pieces of news from Iraq to substantiate that things were going well in Iraq and he had an outburst at Wolf for asking a reasonable question about his new grandchild and Focus on the Family's denunciation. Add to the fact that McCain was allowed a free pass by Cheney for his intemperate remarks that Bush "listens" to Cheney too much. It was a window into the corroded soul of Cheney that translates back to the Libby trial and how he micromanaged the OVP.

Libby is a synchophant as that article yesterday showed by his best friend. Cheney cultivates subservient types as dissent is always dangerous to all or nothing. That translates to institutional thinking that Cheney in an authoritarian style believed organizations such as Defense, CIA and State as well as the presidecy were subservient to his worldview. Along comes Joseph Wilson who offered dissent and made it public. The first reaction of a black/white thinker is to take down the dissenter no matter what with whatever means necessary (My sincere apologies Malcolm). Next, was to ensure no one could trace it and the sychophants rushed to do Cheney's bidding. Rove sensing Danger Will Robinson to his principal moved to protect Bush and the result is the trial before us. With an express invite, Libby went to 2006 Christmas Party at the Naval Observatory and has the neocon cabal funding his defense, including Tucker Carlson's poppy.

Now you have Fitzgerald who is not about making friends with the media who were willing accomplices in Cheney's world view. The media can not believe its best and brightest got caught in the 21st century version of Vietnam thinking and tried to hide its part in being one of the institutions enthralled with Cheney's declaritive point of view. As the media altered (because forced to) its thinking, Cheney then declared war on the media from the OVP using the White House as his base of operation. Fitzgerald had sand thrown in his eyes and it is amazing that he has gotten this far with that much stacked up against him!

:popcorn:
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 10:16 AM
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15. Oh how Cheney would love to out Fitzgerald's wife if he could right now
But that tactic won't work.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 10:37 AM
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16. what about that 'cabal' funding his defense?
>
With an express invite, Libby went to 2006 Christmas Party at the Naval Observatory and has the neocon cabal funding his defense, including Tucker Carlson's poppy.
>

Here are the Advisory Members of The Libby Legal Defense Trust:
http://www.scooterlibby.com/committee/

Are they happy with the way this trial is unfolding?
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 10:40 AM
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17. The neocon cabal
with the cash is covering all the bases - they don't bet on just one horse.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 10:45 AM
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18. I wouldn't be if that was my money
The "Karl-did-it-too" defense is very unlikely to win an acquittal. More likely it's, as Murray Waas said, waving a white pardon-me-flag in Bushco's face.

Either way, this is getting good. :popcorn:

These threads make my day. Thanks.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 10:51 AM
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21. Thanks, Mandate -- I'm wondering how happy they are right now
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 10:52 AM by antigop
You said: "The "Karl-did-it-too" defense is very unlikely to win an acquittal."

I wonder if they see it that way.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 11:56 AM
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30. Waas is correct.
There is clearly pressure being put on Bush to grant a pardon. More, it is an attorney's tactic: pointing to another "suspect" and saying that person is responsible. However, it is only employed when one's client is guilty as hell.

It is also important to remember that the notes to Scotty M (and there was one from Cheney and one from Libby) predate any indictment by a significant period of time. There was a serious split between the Office of the President and the OVP on this issue for more than 26 months prior to Scooter being indicted.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:27 PM
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57. I wonder if any of them will be
part of future indictments? I wonder how many of them will want to have their pictures affiliated with this trial as it goes forward. Hmmmm.

:popcorn:
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:55 PM
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95. Haven't you heard Scooter is a good guy Cheney says so
I thought that was amazing coming out of Cheney's mouth when he was indicted for perjury
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:18 PM
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42. Perhaps we need a new word: "psychophant".
You always make good sense, Pithy Cherub.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 10:50 AM
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20. I'll kick that. - n/t
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elmerdem Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 10:54 AM
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22. Thank you H2O man!!!!
These threads are better than my morning coffee! Thanks for all of your hard work & insight!!
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 11:07 AM
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24. Hogwash!
Is what Cheney would have us believe this all is. I tend to think another approach these people use is "the best defense is a good offense". And it used to work. As for Libby's defense, it's offensive.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 11:16 AM
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25. I don't understand why Bush still sits in the Oval Office...
In chapter 13 of "A Pretext for War," James Bamford told about the intense pressure the Bush administration was putting on the Agency to find "evidence" that supported the administration’s position that Iraq had an extensive WMD program, and an operational relationship with al-Qaeda. "And the pressure was not just subtle, it was blatant. At one point, (a) boss called a meeting and gave them their marching orders. ‘And he said, "You know what – if Bush wants to go to war, it’s your job to give him a reason to do so",’ according to the official. It was the first time the official had ever heard anyone order employees to slant their analysis for political purposes." (pages 333-334)

This alone should be grounds for impeachment and imprisonment.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 11:17 AM
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26. Great analysis as usual.
:toast:
Have you noticed how the Libby lawyers keep referring to Valerie Wilson as "the wife"? And at one point (according to FDL's liveblogging) he kept repeating "the wife didn't matter, the wife was not important"? (here i think http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/23/libby-liveblog-wells-opening-statement-part-two/ , well's opening statment part 2)

How could they expect to win over a jury (of mostly women, right?) with language like that?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 11:50 AM
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28. I found that
extremely obnoxious. They are purposely trying to marginalize her. It will not work.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 11:53 AM
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29. It magnifies their meanness. They ruined her career
allegedly to spite her husband although I do believe they were multi-tasking. Being dismissive of your victims generally does not score points with the jury.

heckuva job!
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 11:30 AM
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27. The trial of Libby is merely the giftwrapping.
The real gift will be exposing to the entire world the machinations of the bush administration and its dangerous agenda which has brought us into this disastrous "adventure" in the Middle East.

This trial may have arrived just in the nick of time. If we are lucky -- and that's a big "if" -- perhaps enough will be revealed about the lies and secrecy of the bush administration so that it will be stopped in its tracks in its determination to launch a war against Iran.

Thank you, H20Man. I wish you were an advisor to Fitzgerald. Or maybe you are, tangentially, if one of his aides reads DU. :)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:32 PM
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32. See: Hardblogger ....
The first comment on MSNBC's David Shuster's blog makes me think that others are thinking what we are ......

http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/01/24/41175.aspx#comments
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:47 PM
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33. yep
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:21 PM
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43. That guy sounds very well informed.
:)

Shuster deserves all the praise we can give him.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:48 PM
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34. David Shuster just reported
that Martin testified that Cheney and Libby were watching Chris Matthews on MSNBC's Hardball closely. They were upset by his reporting about the Niger lies. David said that she testified that Dick & Scooter made their own "transcripts" of the shows.

I'm looking for this on the blog on firedoglake. They have great coverage again today. I hope they go into detail about the Matthews angle.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:10 PM
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39. About Hardball being watched closely....
Hardball is somewhat popular, but it certainly doesn`t have a zillion viewers, so I doubt Cheney and Libby were mostly concerned about the hearts and minds of Matthews` audience. I`ll bet Cheney and Libby were trying to gauge the potential mindfields at NBC/MSNBC because of Russert`s connection to the case and his friendship with Matthews.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:25 PM
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46. Nope.
In fact, they were watching Matthews closely because they were concerned with his reporting. Again, this is covered in very interesting detail in "Hubris." The infamous call to Russert was specifically to complain about Matthews' reporting on the Niger lies.(pages 265-267)

On his July 8 show -- and one might check the relationship between that date and Wilson's op-ed -- Matthews stated, "It sounds to me (like the Niger lies came from) a hawk in the vice president's office, probably from Scooter Libby." Libby, like Wolfowitz, complained to MSNBC/NBC that Matthews' reporting indicated that he was anti-Semitic.

He wasn't targeted because of Russert. Note that Rove called Matthews, not Russert, to say that Wilson's wife was "fair game." And, as we know from page 1 of Wilson's book, Matthews was the first person to warn Wilson of what Rove was doing. Still, for a variety of reasons -- and none are good -- some DUers attempt to dismiss Matthews.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:32 PM
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50. Thanks for your input on this.
I have a better understanding now.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:41 PM
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53. Matthews looks better and better, the more we learn
about all this.

I have been critical of him for sometimes being more interested in the "horse race" aspect of politics than principle, and for not being more critical of the administration in the build up to war, but it seems as though he as acted very honorably behind the scenes with regard to the Wilsons and holding the administration accountable for its deceptions and misdeeds.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:51 PM
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54. The corporate media
is, as we all know, primarily interested in making money. Thus, they sell a product.I tend to view stations like MSNBC and CNN like McDonalds and Burger King. They have a menu that they offer the public. Most of it is unattractive, with empty calories, and a high level of lard. Progressive democrats are not going to find the vast majority of the shit they serve worthy of consumption.

The men and women who work behind the counter at these places have to offer customers the things on the menu. By and large, I think that what is found on cable tv, in the newspapers, or in the weekly magazines is no more appealing than a McDonald's burger that has cooled and congealed after sitting out all night. I think I could eat a thousand such burgers before agreeing with Matthews that President Bush is a "nice guy."

However, I take a different view on his reporting on the Plame scandal. I think that Matthews and Shuster have done a better job than any other corporate reporters on this issue.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:54 PM
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104. That's only because the wind has changed. n/t
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #46
81. I think in Wells' opening statement, he took a shot at NBC/MSNBC?
If he follows up on it, perhaps he'll drag out that NBC/MSNBC "librul" agenda that Billdo/Faux talks about?

But likely the kink is that NBC/MSNBC had people that were leaked to (Gregory apparently, perhaps Mitchell although she claimed not?) or dragged into the matter (Russert)? They may think that Ari leaking to Gregory may be helpful to their client, but it could be a two edged sword confirming Fitz's previous assertion of an organized, concerted conspiracy to damage Wilson in which Libby was deeply involved. And thus it indeed was a matter of importance to Libby which he could not possbily forget. And then also, Father Tim was distinctly unhelpful to Scooter.

In addition to Matthews telling Wilson about Rove's "fair game" comment, IIRC Mitchell apparently told Wilson something like "you should hear what they're saying about you." (One wonders that Mitchell may not be as unknowledgeable of the Plame affair as she later claimed, given her social circle and connections.) As Wilson mentioned in his book, he had sources in the media passing on info as to the WH's doings.

Anyway, I thought it was interesting that according to the blog report I read, Wells apparently specifically mentioned NBC/MSNBC in his opening statement.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:29 PM
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85. "July 25, 2003:
NBC's Andrea Mitchell tells Wilson that 'senior White House sources' had phoned her to stress 'the real story here is not the sixteen words ... but Wilson and his wife'."
-- The Politics of Truth; Joseph Wilson; page 453.

I think it surprised a lot of people that David Gregory had been told, too.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:31 PM
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86. IIRC, Wells even had a chart of the MSNBC/NBC hierarchy.
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 07:01 PM by Patsy Stone
It's just more smoke and mirrors, like everything else I've read so far of the defense's weak-ass case.

"You'll see that no one is perfect and everyone forgets something sometimes. And, my client Scooter? A good memory? This guy? Why, I'll prove he's prectically a turnip!" :eyes:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:24 PM
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44. "Making their own transcripts"? Of something they didn't care about?
While they were too busy saving the world?

Oh my.

As a side note, I thought it was interesting that Teddy's powerpoint presentation in his opening statement would have referenced A.Q. Khan. These "dark actors" are skating on mighty thin ice with that reference. seemlikeadream and Peace Patriot have written at length about this on DU.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:25 PM
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82. that can put a chill in your media pie -- like Cheney put on chill on Wolf the other day
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:55 PM
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35. This thread (and others) by H20 Man
are fine examples of serious dialogue and analysis frequently found at DU. Very interesting and informative. A thanks to all.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:05 PM
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37. K & R!
And here's David Corn's take on recent events:

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2007/01/25/the_twisted_scooter_trail.php

:kick:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:08 PM
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38. Cathie Martin's testimony was particularly damaging to the VP IMO.
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 01:09 PM by mmonk
Especially with the information on how Libby and Cheney followed all news on the situation together and well as the talking points being issued to Ari. Can't wait to see how this information is going to be used by Fitz further.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:10 PM
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40. Well We Know What This Little Gem Pertains To
F Ordinarily see ewspaper articles cut out of newspapers in VP office

M Not that often
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La_Fourmi_Rouge Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:25 PM
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45. Yeah, man!
The job of the Prosecutor is to present a simple set of facts to the jury. Simplicity is the key. Sometimes the littlest details are of the most importance. This is certainly the case with Martin:

"Not that Often." That little phrase is SURE to stick in the mind of every juror, no matter how many "shiny objects" Wells tries to throw at them.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:27 PM
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47. I agree.
I think Mr. Fitzgerald is creating a very strong case for the jury's consideration.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:28 PM
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48. Highly unusual and it puts a visual in the minds of the jurors
not likely to go away.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:30 PM
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49. I like the description
of Ms. Martin's body language that is provided by the wonderful blogging on firedoglake. I think that the jury indeed has a visual that will make a strong impression on them.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:33 PM
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52. Yes. Noticed that.
Very uncomfortable.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:32 PM
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51. Fascinating that Wells was making an attempt
to get evidence introduced that would absolve Libby of testifying. Even more exceptional is Judge Walton saying that would be suicidal for Libby not to testify. Now Martin is blowing holes in Libby's story making it imperative that he testify. The OVP is split into camps too and this is just fascinating!

:popcorn:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:54 PM
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55. It sounds like
Judge Walton believes it would be an error for Scooter to refuse to testify.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:06 PM
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56. Ha! Understatement of the year
and to have defense counsels thoughts at that moment would have been priceless!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:47 PM
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93. He's guarding against a claim of "inadequate defense" and the mistrial, imho.
This is, I believe, well within the discretion of the judge. As he reviews the factual evidence and the defense claims, he can see that Libby's failure to testify would be an indication that Libby's defense didn't advise him properly. A careful defense attorney would try to get it in writing, I think, unless he was willing to throw his own reputation down the drain to get the mistrial. Since some could do this, Walton's advisory is VERY well-advised, I think


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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:56 PM
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58. Heads Up Russert
"M Things they could do if the Tenet statement wasn't strong enough. We could do the Sunday shows–we often use MTP." Soooo, is he aware of how he's used?

Also this, didn't know Addington, who now has Scooter's job, was on the trip
F Who was on the trip.

"M Scooter, Addington, Clare O'Donnell (D COS, Office Manager), some people who were old Reagan staffers. The normal people. Me, The VP aid"


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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 04:33 PM
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64. "We often use MTP"-- Priceless
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 04:34 PM by kohodog
Especially for people who think the corporate media is objective. For years du has had threads relating to the various ways they saturate peoples minds with their propaganda. It is amazing to see someone at her level come right out and say it.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:58 PM
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59. Links To Previous Threads
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 03:12 PM
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60. Cathie Martin Part 2 up on firedoglake
Cathie Martin's up this afternoon. Looks like Ari is up after her–he's in the building, but obviously, Fitz is not ready to put him on until he's done with Martin.

One little tidbit about Martin's testimony (I think Christy will expound on it later). During one point of the testimony, she was staring HARD at her attorneys, notably. Then she nodded. Christy also says that Barbara Comstock and Libby's wife moved on their bench so they had Cathie directly in their line of sight. I'm really looking forward to Christy's update on the thick tension inside the courtroom itself later today. She's taking off right now to go home to her Peanut.

Here we go.

http://www.firedoglake.com/
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. Hey, RP!
It's fantastic, isn't it?
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #61
62. Amazing!
emptywheel is really keeping me on the edge of my seat. Every spare moment at work I have is spent reading this.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 04:48 PM
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65. Lots of new/old docs and exhibits now posted at DoJ/Fitz's site
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #65
66. Also see this site
for bothe prosecution and defense documents:

http://wid.ap.org/documents/libbytrial/index.html
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 05:29 PM
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68. Did you happen to catch the MSNBC crawl just now?
It said that Crazy Kitty Harris handed out her business card to about 15 Representatives and Senators on the House floor before the SOTU.

:rofl:

Isn't McDonald's hiring?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 05:04 PM
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67. MSNBC coverage:
David Shuster is doing great on Hardball right now. (5:04 pm est) I hope that Keith has him on Countdown tonight, too.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 05:42 PM
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70. On firedoglake, emptywheel speculates Wells anticipating conviction.
Verrry interesting. I think Walton's opinion that Libby not testifying would be an act of doom for the defense is weighing heavy on Team Libby's mind:

F if someone says "we're not going to give you anything without immunity." If Fleischer says here's what we get, we don't even get to giglio. Did I know he had relevant information. When he asserted the fifth, I stopped. We understood he had given it out to SOMEONE but I didn't know which reporter. It's not a Jencks obligation. Even though I'm not obligated. I think that's wrong.

Walton if the defense believes given what govt based on what he indicated under the second. He says it doesn't. If defense believes, they can file appropriate motion, I will rule on it.

Somewhere Wells said this would come up after the case–does he think he lost the case and is appealing it?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 05:47 PM
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71. "....eventually
we'll get to it maybe (,) after the case..."

Yep. As we have said for almost a year now on the Plame Threads, a big part of Team Libby concentrates on issues for appeal. There are reasons a person anticipating conviction and then an appeal might not testify. I'll look through one of my books for more information on that later.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 05:59 PM
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74. Not only appeal, imo, but remember
there's a civil trial too. I think he needs to keep an eye towards that. It's a tightrope.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #70
75. From Christy
"Judge Walton informed Libby's legal team that he would not permit an argument on a memory defense at closing absent testimony from Libby, because otherwise the memory defense was not relevant to the proceedings…and that ended the argument"

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:08 PM
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77. Poor Scooter.
He knows what it means when one of his attorneys says they will deal with something "after the case."
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:53 PM
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89. By The Time The Appeal Is Heard
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 06:53 PM by Me.
This admin will be dust and their influence relegated to garbage cans. No help for the liar there.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:10 PM
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91. While an attorney
can appeal anything, it doesn't mean the said appeal will not be rejected.

I do recall from the Rubin Carter case that "appellate judges are less likely to overturn jury verdicts if the jurors had seen the defendant testify and concluded he was lying on the stand." (Hurricane: The Miraculous Journey of Rubin Carter; James Hirsch; 2000; page 153-154)

I suspect that Teddy Wells is attempting to cause a "controversy" over what evidence, related to the "memory defense," is allowed in. They must recognize that Libby is going to be convicted on all charges. They may feel an appeal is the only option. The appeals are based largely upon procedural errors, of course, rather than issues of innocence.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:08 PM
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96. I'm Thinking That Wells, Over The Last Couple Of Days
has gotten right up Judge Walton's nose. They actually may be baiting him, to add to their appeal chances, but I think he is going to prove to be too smart for their tactics.

I wonder, when a defendant is able to stay out of jail during their appeal, is that at the discretion of the judge?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:25 PM
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100. One of the
things that Judge Walton is known for is handing down rather severe sentences. I really would not want to be in Scooter's shoes, on that day.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #75
90. Ow
That had to hurt.



Even his hair is mussed up today.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 05:41 PM
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69. Poor David Shuster...freezing, standing in the snow
Thanks, David! Now, get inside and stay warm.

How wonderful to see the Hardball clips from July 6-9, 2003.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #69
72. Those clips were great!
They should answer any sincere doubts that people might have on Matthews regarding the Plame scandal.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 05:57 PM
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73. He knew exactly what he was asking
and he was asking all of the right questions. For a second I thought that David Gergen was going to say that it was the CIA in the first place, but then Chris asked him specifically if the CIA's actions were prompted by the OVP. I was very pleased to hear Gergen answer "yes". No wonder Scooter got on the horn to Tim! "Hello? NBC? Tim Russert, please. I'd like to register a complaint..."
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:08 PM
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76. Mr. Fitzgerald!
"And the entire episode led to Judge Walton saying this on the record in open court about Patrick Fitzgerald: you are "one of the most scrupulous prosecutors I have ever had appear before me," in response to the judge having to deal with the, by comparison, unnecessary conduct that Wells pulled over Cathie Martin's notes." as per Christy


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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:19 PM
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78. "Testimony by Fromer Cheney
Aide Hurts Libby" (NY Times).....

WASHINGTON, Jan. 25 – Vice President Dick Cheney’s spokeswoman told a jury today that she informed Mr. Cheney and his chief of staff, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby Jr. , that a prominent war critic’s wife worked for the C.I.A. days before Mr. Libby contended he learned it from a reporter.

Cathie Martin, who was Mr. Cheney’s chief spokeswoman, was the fourth witness for the prosecution in the perjury and obstruction of justice trial of Mr. Libby, who is charged with lying during an investigation to determine who leaked the name of a C.I.A. operative, Valerie Wilson. Unlike the previous three witnesses who worked at the Central Intelligence Agency and the State Department, Ms. Martin provided an insider’s perspective, one from within the Office of the Vice President.

Her testimony under questioning from a federal prosecutor was damaging to Mr. Libby. She testified that both Mr. Cheney and Mr. Libby were intensely interested in Ms. Wilson and her husband, Joseph C. Wilson IV, who had been sent on a mission to Africa by the C.I.A. to investigate reports that Saddam Hussein was trying to buy uranium from Niger for his nuclear weapons program.

Ms. Martin’s testimony was damaging for Mr. Libby in two respects. She bolstered the prosecution’s assertion that Mr. Libby was fully aware of Ms. Wilson’s identity from a number of administration officials, and did not first learn about her from reporters, as he claims. Perhaps more important, she testified as a former close colleague of Mr. Libby’s, and demonstrated her familiarity with him by repeatedly referring to him by his nickname, “Scooter.”......

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/25/washington/25cnd-libby.html?hp&ex=1169787600&en=63e179b421f77c54&ei=5094&partner=homepage

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #78
79. CBS:" Cheney Spokeswoman
Disputes Libby Account" ...

CBS/AP) Vice President Dick Cheney's spokeswoman testified Thursday that she told Cheney and his chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, that a prominent war critic's wife worked for the CIA days before Libby said he learned it from a reporter.

Cathie Martin's testimony during the third day of Libby's perjury trial described Cheney's personal eagerness to refute war criticism by former ambassador Joseph Wilson in 2003. Wilson claimed Cheney's office sent him on a fact-finding mission that questioned intelligence President Bush later relied on to go to war.

Martin's testimony is important for the government because she is the third witness so far to testify that Libby was told Wilson’s wife worked at the CIA, before her identity was publicly revealed, reports CBS News producer Deirdre Hester.

Wilson's wife, CIA operative Valerie Plame, actually conceived the idea for the trip, witnesses have testified. Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is trying to show that Cheney's office wanted to make that clear to reporters. ....

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/25/politics/main2399431.shtml

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:26 PM
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83. Reuters:
WASHINGTON, Jan 25 (Reuters) - President George W. Bush's 2003 decision to declassify an intelligence report to rebut an Iraq war critic stirred unease even in the White House, an administration official said on Thursday in the perjury trial of a vice presidential aide.

White House communications official Cathie Martin said she was "not comfortable" in July of that year when her boss, Vice President Dick Cheney, told her to use the information to counter charges that the administration had manipulated intelligence to build a case for invading Iraq.

"I wasn't sure if I could use that point because it was related to the NIE," Martin said, referring to a classified National Intelligence Estimate report that said Saddam Hussein had sought to buy uranium from Niger. ....

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N25282134.htm
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:51 PM
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103. I have to say it infuriates me when major news outlets....
even when reporting on this, are too lazy to report the facts re:

"Wilson claimed Cheney's office sent him on a fact-finding mission that questioned intelligence President Bush later relied on to go to war."

From all I understand, Wilson NEVER said Cheney's office sent him, he said he was sent by the CIA as a result of an inquiry by Cheney's office re the Niger yellowcake and that is VERY different than CBS is saying and has repeated.
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:23 PM
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80. Wells, Fitz and Walton arguing about Ari's immunity
Walton: maybe lawyers have a reason to be suspect. That's what I quit practicing because I got tired of people saying I had done things that are not true.

Wells: Mr Fitz and I have been at this game for a long time.

Wells: we have a disagreement about the law.

Fitz: I have been at the game long enough to know defense attorneys will say some things so they can learn things they're not entitled to learn.

Walton: if Ari said through his lawyer that he had info and it'd be helpful would you be obligated to disclose that.

Fitz: No.


Lot of maneuvering

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:27 PM
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84. Thanks H2O Man
I search for your daily update to follow these criminals.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:49 PM
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87. Thank you
for reading these threads.
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cmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:16 PM
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97. I'm lurking out here as well
Thanks so much for keeping me updated. You're the best. cmd
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:51 PM
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88. Thanks again, H20 Man, for your informative perspective. Much appreciated. n/t
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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:54 PM
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94. Watching Tweety....did he just say Joe Wilson was a CIA asset?
Did he intend to say Valerie, or what? Did anyone else see that?
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DemSinceBirth Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:18 PM
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98. Thanksfor the tracks! I can only wonder
why he has escaped prosecution for so long. (but, then again, I do understand and it's sad).
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:23 PM
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99. Wow, I just got a chance to catch up..thank you H2O Man &
everyone, for your comments.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:45 PM
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101. I was able to read a bit of this during breaks at work today.
The rest I read when I got home, about an hour and a half ago.

Remember when we realized the implications of this case--not just the implications for the current administration, but for those of the MEDIA?

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La_Fourmi_Rouge Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:49 PM
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102. I am exhausted.
Reading FDL all day long, dKos, Huffpost, tracking MSM, this thread and others...

I need a joint and a stiff shot of Glenlivet w/a pale ale chaser.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 09:07 AM
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105. No Testimony Today?
Shoot
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La_Fourmi_Rouge Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 09:11 AM
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106. Confirmed.
Emptywheel (Marcy Wheeler) was on Washington Journal this morning. I'm jonesing for more testimony.

Ari Fleischer is up on Monday!
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