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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 05:04 AM
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Breaking News - Iran test fires 9 long and medium range missiles !
Right now on MSNBC.

Is this the start of Cheney's war?

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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 05:12 AM
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1. any more detail on this?
my fucking comcast went out a few hours ago.

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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 05:18 AM
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4. Here is an AP link to the story...
Jul 9, 5:48 AM EDT


Iran tests missiles in Persian Gulf, Hormouz

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI
Associated Press Writer



TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- Iran test-fired nine long- and medium-range missiles Wednesday during war games that officials say are in response to U.S. and Israeli threats, state television reported.

Gen. Hossein Salami, the air force commander of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards, was quoted as saying the exercise would "demonstrate our resolve and might against enemies who in recent weeks have threatened Iran with a harsh language."

Wednesday's war games were being conducted at the mouth of the Strait of Hormuz, a strategic waterway where about 40 percent of the world's oil passes through.

The report showed footage of at least three missiles firing simultaneously, and said the barrage included a new version of the Shahab-3 missile, which officials have said has a range of 1,250 miles and is armed with a 1-ton conventional warhead.

more...

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAN_MISSILES?SITE=CAANR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 05:24 AM
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5. thanks livvy. hell, if you had bush & cheney looking at you cross eyed
like they've been doing with iran, i think you (and i) might want to test fire a couple missiles of our own. (you know, to let bushco know that when he attacks us we're not gonna take it lying down)
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 06:23 AM
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12. And once again the lying weasel and criminal cohorts....
make the world less safe by their policies.

Wasn't Iran one of the more helpful counties right after 9/11, as far as assisting in tracking down those our government claimed was responsible?

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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 01:14 AM
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13. yes, and i think the fuckhead refused any help from them....
something like that. (although i could be wrong)
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 09:27 AM
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15. No, you're not wrong.
I did a little research and found this article relating to Iran and 9/11. Iran did want to negotiate with the US after 9/11 in regards to their nuclear program, terrorist support, and assistance with the "terrorist" search. and it wasn't just Iran that offered to help.

big snip...

"The United States was about to mount a global war on terrorism with complete legitimacy from the United Nations," recalls Leverett, "and these states didn't want to get on the downside of it." Within weeks (of 0/11), Iran, Syria, Libya, and Sudan all approached the United States through various channels to offer their help in the fight against al-Qaeda. "The Iranians said we don't like al-Qaeda any better than you, and we have assets in Afghanistan that could be useful," Leverett recalls.

It was the beginning of a period of extraordinary strategic cooperation between Iran and the United States. As America began preparing for the military operation in Afghanistan, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ryan Crocker held a series of secret meetings with Iranian officials in Geneva. In those meetings, Iran offered search-and-rescue help, humanitarian assistance, and even advice on which targets to bomb in Afghanistan, according to one former administration official. The Iranians, who had been working for years with the main anti-Taliban coalition, the Northern Alliance, also advised the Americans about how to negotiate the major ethnic and political fault lines in the country.


In Dec. of '01 there was a conference in Bonn. The purpose of the conference was to decide on what a post-Taliban Afghanistan would look like. Iran played a large diplomatic part in the success of the conference, acting as a negotiator with the Northern Alliance and pressing for anti-terrorism language in the agreement.

After the conference the Office of Policy Planning with support of the CIA encouraged continued negotiations with Iran. Their current nuclear program and their support for terrorism were areas for negotiations. "The Policy Planning staff had been putting together options that would revolve around different levels of incentives, ranging from modest benefits such as support for Iran's membership in the World Trade Organization to a more comprehensive offer that would include security guarantees, according to a source familiar with the proposal."

Enter the neo-cons who had no intention of allowing a solution to the Iran "proble" to take place.

The main drama around Iran policy in late 2001 was played out in the White House, where the drafting of the State of the Union message was under way and where the neoconservatives held sway. The inclusion of Iran in the "axis of evil" was at first opposed by then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and her deputy, Stephen J. Hadley, because, as Hadley told journalist Bob Woodward, Iran, unlike Iraq or North Korea, had a "complicated political structure with a democratically elected president." But Bush had already made up his mind; regime change was the goal.

snip...

Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld led the neoconservative push for regime change. But it was Douglas Feith, the abrasive and aggressively pro-Israel undersecretary of defense for policy, who was responsible for developing the details of the policy. Feith had two staff members, Larry Franklin and Harold Rhode, who spoke Farsi, and a third, William Luti, whom one former U.S. official recalls being "downright irrational" on anything having to do with Iran. A former intelligence official who worked on the Middle East said, "I've had a couple of Israeli generals tell me off the record that they think Luti is insane."

snip...

In December, the question of policy toward the state sponsors of terrorism was taken up by the "deputies committee" made up of Hadley, who served as chairman, Armitage, Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, and a deputy to CIA Director George Tenet. The outcome was already foretold. "It was decided that to engage with these states was a concession to terrorism, a reward for bad behavior," Leverett recalls. In rules for dealing with Iran and Syria, referred to informally as the "Hadley Rules," the committee further decreed that there could be no sharing of intelligence information or any other cooperation on al-Qaeda, although the states in question could be asked to provide information or other cooperation unilaterally. The new rules put U.S. policy toward Iran in a straitjacket requiring that Iran could never be treated as a sovereign equal on any issue.


There is much more at the link.



http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=11539

other links:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5377914.stm

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/porter.php?articleid=8590

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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 05:31 AM
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6. Andrea Mitchell is almost sounding like the voice of reason
She's in for Mika this week. Joe, Pat Buchanan, and Willy on now. James Baker coming on and someone else

Buchanan: Olmert wants the Bush admin to move and hit them. Cheney is said to be behind a strike. Admiral Mullins (sp?) CJC, just went to Israel and said if a third front is opened up (Afghan & Iraq) it would be extremely stressful for our troops. Mullins and Gates are said to be on the other side. Olmert sees the window of opportunity closing if Bush leaves and Obama comes in. Olmert and Cheney are pushing this.

Just said they would be back with fresh news from Iran on the event.
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 05:47 AM
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7. Trouble with live feed from Iran
had picture, no voice
John Harwood on.

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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 01:25 AM
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14. could we appear any more interested in starting some shit with iran? n/t
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 05:14 AM
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2. No.
Test firing missiles is not an act of war.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 06:18 AM
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10. Act of weakness, like the norks
used to do before the new rules.

We don't test fire trident d5 or MX systems. If we do we keep it quiet.

They are showing off. I wonder if we have any ABM systems in the area?
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 05:16 AM
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3. looks like most of the links on google are 3 and 4 hours old

Iran tests missiles amid tension with U.S., Israel

By Zahra Hosseinian and Fredrik Dahl

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran test fired nine long- and medium-range missiles on Wednesday, state media said, including one which it has said could reach Israel and U.S. bases in the region. The tests occurred at a time of increased tension between Iran and Israel over Tehran's nuclear program, which the West fears is aimed at making bombs. Iran, the world's fourth-largest oil exporter, says its program is only for electricity.

A New York Times report in June said Israel had practiced an attack on Iranian nuclear sites, and the tension has rattled financial markets. U.S. and London Brent crude oil futures rose by more than a dollar on news of Iran firing the missiles.

"The aim of holding this maneuver is to show (Iran's) will and authority to the enemies that have threatened Iran with harsh language in recent weeks," state broadcaster IRIB quoted a Revolutionary Guards commander as saying.

"We ... launch these missiles in honor of Iran, to show that this is only a small part of Iran's capability and defensive power," said the commander, Hossein Salami.

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 06:02 AM
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8. That's 9 less that they now have
:)

and don't WE test our "stuff" too?

just sayin'
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 06:13 AM
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9. We used to .. We pretty much know it works.
500kt per "streak" 30foot cep. They are scared and hollow.


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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 06:18 AM
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11. BBC: Iran will strike Israel and the US navy in the Gulf if it is attacked
Iran in warning to US and Israel


Iran insists that its nuclear programme is for peaceful purposes
Iran will strike Israel and the US navy in the Gulf if it is attacked over its nuclear programme, a senior Iranian official has warned.
"The first US shot on Iran would set the United States' vital interests in the world on fire," said Ali Shirazi, an aide to Iran's supreme leader.
"Tel Aviv and the US fleet in the Persian Gulf would be the targets that would be set on fire," he said.
Tehran denies Western claims that it is seeking to build a nuclear weapon.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7494961.stm
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