The U.S. is PRETENDING that bush & cheney aren't war criminal profiteers.

[Philosoraptor]

Why this bizarre national game of 'let's pretend'? Is it just more convenient to ignore them than admit that these men are just like Nazis? Is it too shameful to admit that they are making trillions and robbing us blind and killing our soldiers and we are utterly impotent and powerless to stop them?

What exactly is this illusion that we are all living under? These assholes need to be dealt with, not ignored and tolerated until they all skip off into happy retirement with all our fucking money.

All I can figure is that America would rather pretend that everything is all somehow going to miraculously work itself out and Obama will fix everything and all the bad men will go away and never bother us again so it's o.k. not to arrest them and throw them in prison for being war profiteers and monsters.

What the fuck America, look what these oil men have done in 8 short years and stop pretending that bush and cheney aren't war criminals just like the fucking Nazis were.

[barbtries]

1. i'm totally with you

and i think we're a minority. a person i work with told me that gw isn't as bad as i think he is. as a matter of fact he is probably worse. regardless of the psychology or the motive or what have you, look at the results of his misbegotten presidency. look at the cost! count it in bodies. then count it in dollars. can we really afford another 6 months of this? and why won't americans wake up to what (or so i gather, but i'm less than well versed in the subject) the rest of the world already acknowledges? to say his is a failed presidency is so gross an understatement it's obscene. it is a murderous, criminal, rogue presidency.

i don't know why it can't be acknowledged. maybe because so far, not enough people have been bereaved, imprisoned or impoverished due to the policies of the bushies. maybe they pile the outrages on so thick and fast so that the people can't get their breath long enough to deal with it. maybe the msm is such a huge part of the problem, part of the criminal enterprise, so that most people actually don't know. i don't know why it is. but i am constantly distressed, frustrated, and PISSED, and it's been like this for fucking years.

[BeHereNow]

2. RICO- BIG time

Will anything come of it?
Doubt it.

BHN

[EFerrari]

3. No kidding. n/t

[fla nocount]

4. What's you game Philo?

It almost seems as if you're baiting the board's DLC right wingers, Fancy Nancy Panty Supporters, and Gut Germans to come out once again and make asses of themselves defending the indefensible.

It's the Gut Germans that I feel for, they're just along for the ride.

[Philosoraptor]

5. Wish I knew.

I know that I believe in the Twilight Zone more than ever.

[Botany]

6. Oh please

It is not like Cheney as Sec. of Defense under H.W. outsourced all kinds of
operations to the private sector .... left his job as Sec. of Defense and went to
work for a private sector business that got millarty contracts .... he than became
Vice President and helped start an unneeded war which made billions for the
companies that handled the outsourced business on no-bid contracts.

:rofl:

[Philosoraptor]

8. member when h.w. hired dick to find a v.p. for w & dick picked himself?

That was so funny I almost choked.

[Botany]

10. Or when he shot a man in the face after drinking and almost killed him?

And then blamed the outrage over the fact that he had given the story to a small
town paper instead of to the national media. All at the same time he had a witness
to the shooting flown out of the country overnight and waited 18 to talk to the local
police ... "because he was worried about the victim's health," but he never went to
the hospital to see him.

[Frank Cannon]

26. And don't forget, his VICTIM apologized...

for essentially standing in the way of Cheney's shotgun blast.

[azul]

7. I don't think it is all pretending, it is more like sinking-in

that they have been duped into supporting a criminal enterprise and are now waking up to the fact that they are complicit. I think it was engineered this way to involve taxpayers in funding an illegal invasion and occupation. Sort of like making the speed limit 55 and not enforcing it or making the tax code so complex that it is too easy for most cheaters to not be caught. Before you know it, you know yourself to be guilty, yet also know that you are not really a bad criminal: you have taken the easy bait and are trapped.

Then when challenged with their officials' lawlessness they realize the hypocrisy of calling them out for prosecution and can show little outrage.

Meanwhile, the rule of law is being trashed with impunity. And this Team Bush just gets bolder and bolder as they present the awful sacrifices and costs to keep up support for their fiascoes.

We like to think of ourselves as a nation of winners, not whiners, after all. It has become a bad choice of accepting crime or defeat. Accepting both is too mind numbing and shameful, and so is denied and contested.

[fla nocount]

9. I don't believe I've ever heard "Gut German" defined,

in so refined a manner. Welcome.

[JeffR]

23. Welcome to DU

It's so good to hear the truth told so succinctly and so well.

[indepat]

11. The American public has been deluded by the libral media as to what's happening before their very

eyes is why. :D

[spanone]

12. funny how the red cross/war crimes story went nowhere....democrats didn't even touch it

[sammythecat]

14. Yeah, I noticed that too.

I'd bet a hundred dollars I could walk down my road and, of the first 20 adults I met, not one would know a thing about it. A complete non-story. It flashed, and then it was gone.

I'd bet everything I own that if the Red Cross came out with something like this in the 90's pertaining to Clinton and Kosovo, out of the first hundred people I met, every single one of them would have some familiarity with the story. The story would never end.

[Blarch]

13. The people of the US are also...

pretending that their republican family and friends aren't nazi monsters.

Most Americans have zero respect for the US constitution ...It's impossible to show respect for the constitution, and at the same time show respect to the very people who are shredding the constitution.

This place is fucked ...there is no hope.

[Annces]

15. In high school, they loved to show

us the films of the concentration camps and how bad the Nazis were, but they absolutely did not want any questioning of the teacher's ideas, any protests, and student activism. We need to be taught and encouraged to gather and protest, even as youngsters.

[Virginia Dare]

16. It's the crazy drunk uncle at the holiday dinner phenomenon..

that's the only analogy I can come up with.

[ColbertWatcher]

17. Denial: protector of egos and imaginary reputations.

If America pretends the GOP is not filled with criminals, then it says we as Americans are not as bad as we fear we may be.

It's the same psychology behind calling a child molester "inhuman".

[fla nocount]

18. We need a sub-thread

Here we sit, all members of the choir, on the back steps of the church smoking cigs and passing the bottle around. It's the Philo's fault for leaving no holes in his opening argument and a remarkable argument it was too. So, if we want to attract the attention of Fancy Nancy's Panty Brigade, we need a sub-thread. Otherwise this remarkably rich topic will die a slow death instead of being illumined by the insights of the party 1st/country 2nd types who increasingly frequent our board.

We need a sub-thread

[glitch]

19. Possibly a lot of people hope that ALL they are is war criminal profiteers.

The best analogies might come from studying families who live with murderous psychopaths, looking at the techniques they use to survive until permanent escape to safety is possible.

[Fire Walk With Me]

20. People aren't used to being shock-and-awed.

We're trying to learn how to deal with a new-found sense of vulnerability.

I'm talking about America via 9/11, not what Bush called the level'ing of Iraq.

Although they are really, really similar, and both have allowed for massive power and cash grabs.

:shrug:

[Philosoraptor]

24. It always goes back to nine eleven....

[Fire Walk With Me]

28. I just found some old newspapers and one has the headline about the death of a liberal Demo

Congressman who died in a small plane accident just days prior to the election, and that he was extremely important to retaining control of Congress (which we lost in that election, and have never regained, in name only).

It was stinky then, but looking at the trends and tactics since then, it now stinks to high Heaven.

Gangsters, thugs, and sadists have stolen the political system through and throughout.

[Cobalt-60]

21. duplicate! I beg your pardon

[Cobalt-60]

22. Philosoraptor for VP!

Obama need look no further.

[Frank Cannon]

25. From the same people that brought you "no -bid contracts"

Like that concept makes any goddam sense at all.

[ooglymoogly]

27. KR Its more profitable for all concerned as long as everyone

who can do anything to harm them gets a piece of the action.