Okay Pelosi, whatever you are being blackmailed for........

[babsbunny]

Is it worth the death of our Constitution? Is it worth one more of our brave troops lives? How do you sleep at night?

[davidwparker]

1. She knows more about the crimes of this administration than what she lets

on. She is complicit. It's time for Bay area voters to pass judgement and not return her to Congress.

[roguevalley]

65. its common practice to brief leaders on both sides about the stuff

you are going to do and they can't speak on it because of laws. she was briefed on all of this and she didn't do anything because her sorry ass meant more to her than the lives and deaths of thousands of people. she is a zillionaire. She would have been fine even if she had decided to step in front of the bus and let the world know. She didn't. She's a quizling sow and I hope she goes to prison some day.

[cascadiance]

2. You know part of me wonders if it is BECAUSE of her complicitness that Bushco is so BRAZEN...

... in its criminal acts! Because they know that they aren't going to get called on it, as long as she's in a position of power. Perhaps with anyone else in power in the House, it wouldn't just be about having someone more dutiful in their constitutional obligations of maintaining accountability of the executive branch, but many of these crimes might never have happened in the first place, if those criminals involved didn't think they could get away with it!

[monmouth]

3. She's starting to look very "manchurian."...n/t

[Mind_your_head]

4. Good point!

and that photo of Pelosi wispering something into shrub's ear, while he has that *shocked* look on his face, which *we* all enjoyed for a time, might have truly been a "dog/pony* show ..... believing a magicians trick, as it were.

I'm so tired of these people (but not/never tired enough to stop trying to bring justice 'round right'.

Peace,
M_Y_H

[slipslidingaway]

7. Exactly!!!

"...but many of these crimes might never have happened in the first place, if those criminals involved didn't think they could get away with it!"

[Popol Vuh]

60. Have you seen this video of Ray McGovern?

Advance this video clip to the 2:28 minute mark where he brings up Nancy Pelosi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzKOdbJ3_nQ

[Dystopian]

62. thank you. eom.

peace~

[cascadiance]

68. We need McGovern in a high level intelligence cabinet or agency management position...

... in an upcoming Obama administration. And I want Sibel Edmonds somewhere in it as well!

That's what will restore some degree of faith by the people that we have control over the messes that are going on in there now!

[defendandprotect]

69. "Pelosi cheered them on...." . . . !!!!

Thanks for the video --- love Ray McGovern ---

Jay Rockefeller ---

all of these people on the intelligence committees have to be changed ---

obviously, they're people the MIIC can count on for anything!

[MzNov]

5. or... she just seems to have no control around those

charming NeoCon males.... :sarcasm: Like a little school girl, she just can't say No.

Plus she's an unindicted co-conspirator.

[bvar22]

6. Nancy isn't being blackmailed.

Nancy Pelosi parlayed her Congressional Seat into a Seat at the Rich White Man's Table in 2006.

She has never looked back.

[Rocky2007]

14. Bullseye~~~~~

She's rich and had earned her seat at that table of wealth.

From 2004 I have felt there was more. In addition I think the Clinton's have a seat at that same table ~~~ maybe even John and Cindy too. 2008 would have been a win either way with Clinton vs. McCain. They could have continued the building of the power base.

Might explain Hillarys endless need to continue/win.

The downfall in that plan was Obama and how he come into their plan through the backdoor. Blew the roof right off the two houses -- so to speak.

This river runs much deeper than one might think. I'm glad we will have Obama in charge. It'll be like shooting rubber ducks at the fair.

[rucognizant]

52. OF COURSE.......

John & Cindy too! No question! He was promised the next pResidency after they swiftboated him in 2000. It must gall him to hear people say he's too old! He didn't think that one through when he gave up his integrity, & agreed to wait!

[I Have A Dream]

55. I've been thinking this too -- that they promised him this.

Why else would they have such a pathetic candidate? The only flaw in this thinking is that I really don't think that they would hesitate to break any promises that they've made to anyone.

[Diane R]

57. I'm afraid they still have plans, and they're still in control. They could be sabotaging Obama now.

[defendandprotect]

70. Agree that it's deep . . .

and lots of players who will sell their souls for money and illegitimate power --

but I can't agree that they think that HRC would have made it --- she couldn't

have with Bill as her baggage. Wasn't going to work. Plus, many recognize her as DLC.

People are waking up to that.


Too, McCain isn't believable except as a pitiable specimen -- people are looking at the

GOP as overall corrupt. We have a huge anti-war movement . . . McCain is military and

promising a 100 year war. How does that check out?

It's simply the MIIC continuing to push itself --


Obama is a tremendous relief from Bush ... for one, he can actually speak.

He's an educated man. However, he's at this point part of the establishment.

I don't like that he's not promising to end the wars right away.

We're blocked for doing anything else and have to move in his direction --

but I wouldn't count on anything until we see it. Remember the optimism in 2006?

And we also have to either ONE make sure we don't have another stolen election and/or

TWO find a reaction to it that would be successful in overturning the steal.

Think ahead ---

[CrispyQ]

19. That's it in a nutshell.

Pelosi was warned that if she wants to gorge at the trough she has to play by their rules.

I honestly believe she sold us out for 30 pieces of silver, nothing more.

Fucking traitor.

[Name removed]

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[lilyannerose]

33. It's Not Just Peolsi

No denying that over the past seven + years more than a handful of Dems have appeared to be complicit. I'm exhausted these elected out-of-touch big monied people in DC.

[notfullofit]

36. There are no

closets in D.C big enough to hide all their skeletons.

[rucognizant]

53. Last night on Moyers

He interviewed Sen Fritz Hollings who has just written a book explaining , complaining, that the entire 6 year term is spent in getting money for the next election! Thee is NO TIME TO DO THE WORK OF THE PEOPLE!
read his book and think about changing the en tire system, as it is unworkable. Dean has a handle on it I'm sure!

[defendandprotect]

71. In 1816/? Teddy Roosevelt told us that "corporations have to be barred from any

involvement whatsoever in elections ---"

Somehow the message doesn't seem to have gotten thru -- ?

We not only need a public finance system --- we need to be able to control the $$$

and the schedules.

We have schools and auditoriums all over the nation to accommodate candidates ---

And it should be limited to tops 6 months ---

Free radio and TV time . . . but the public has to decide on the use of it.

[JFN1]

8. She's got a lot to answer for

She ensured impeachment would not happen, and that is treasonous, in my book.

[defendandprotect]

72. IMO, it gave the criminals even more license to continue on . . . .

[defendandprotect]

75. There's also FILM of Pelosi immediately after 2006 election . . ..

and she's saying clearly, unmistakeably

that "the people have elected them to get us out of Iraq" . . . !!!

OK . . . then what happened --- ???


I mean, let's look at Iraq first -- it's the biggest thing . . .

because so much of the power that Bush has claimed for himself comes from being

a "wartime president."


How can anyone look at her preemptive promise to Bush that they'll be no impeachment

as anything but just begging for more of what we've already goten --- ???



And, how, as Speaker of the House do you keep refunding these wars when our

Treasury is bankrupted?????

[NNN0LHI]

9. You think Obama is being blackmailed too do you?

Because he agrees with Pelosi on just about everything.

Clue phone for babsbunny. The Republicans are the enemy. Not the Dems.

Don

[Raster]

10. Clue for NNNOLHI: Pelosi controls the House agenda, not Obama.

Obama is in the "get along to get elected" mode. There is a difference.

And no one said anything about Obama...except for you.

[NNN0LHI]

12. Oh so you want the media asking Obama if Pelosi should impeach Bush right now?

Rather than concentrating on winning an election you want him to be trying to explain to the press why he disagrees with Pelosi (which he doesn't) concerning impeachment and why do the Dems seems so much in disarray?

Is that you Rush?

Don

[Raster]

15. No, Nancy, it's not Rush.

[Raster]

16. And yes, I would love to hear Senator Obama, and the rest of the Dems explain their

sorry-ass position.

[NNN0LHI]

18. Obama has already explained his position on impeachment over a year ago

Did you forget?

He is against it.

Don

[tomp]

24. with all due respect....

....how on earth does anyone who has been paying attention not support impeachment? I just don't see it. The bush, inc. crimes are so monumental and so unconstituional that if one is to oppose impeachment, one had better come up with a damn good alternative plan. what i read about obama's paln was a sort of half-commitmentl to look into things after elected. not good enough by along shot.

[Enrique]

35. the alternative plan is years of hard work

says Bernie Sanders in this video, which I think is the best expression of an argument against impeachment.

He says progress is happening, but it has been because of years of hard work by a lot of people, he says there are no easy answers and if we are to defeat right-wing extremism, it will take more years of hard work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EejpCPMSXV8

[Kolesar]

43. And lazy/poseur-Democrat posters never wrote to Congress on impeachment, war, or anything

They are just here to start a flame war.

There is no "progressive movement building" to be done for those who are not Democrats.

[defendandprotect]

76. There is a comment by Obama on it --- he doesn't see that there is any "basis for impeachment" . . !

and Obama teaches Constitutional law --- ????

Could I have Liz Holtzman for president, please ---

and FEIN as the VP . . . ???

[FiveGoodMen]

11. "The Republicans are the enemy. Not the Dems." -- Some of the Dems act like Pukes

And that makes them the enemy as well.

It's not about what they're called. It's about what they do.

[NNN0LHI]

13. Dems are the same as Rethugs again now where have I heard that before?

Ralph? Is that you?

Don

[natrat]

41. please dont be thick , he said some of the dems act thugly which is beyond obvious

[orleans]

48. nice way to CHANGE THE SUBJECT

LOOK OVER HERE! LOOK OVER HERE! OBAMA OBAMA!

[Runcible Spoon]

67. don't bother trying to get an honest answer from that one.

triangulating and straw man construction is about all you can expect. :hi:

[DearAbby]

27. Makes it worse...

they are in our camp.

[notfullofit]

37. A politician is a politician is a politician. nt

[NNN0LHI]

63. Umm no, Any single Dem is a hundred times better than an entire room full of toe-tapping Republicans

Nice try though there fella.

Don

[defendandprotect]

77. Yeah -- so don't go trying to push them to behave any better . . . ???

[Rocky2007]

17. Don't think that even for a moment --

Barack Obama is a straight shooter.

One only needs to listen to his words, the love of his family and how he presentents himself and hundreds of other smaller emotions/body langauge --- No, Obama is the real thing. You can make bet on it. Rocky told you so!!!

[Psyop Samurai]

22. It's obvious that you know a thing or two about blackmail...

...since that is what you appear to be practicing.

[defendandprotect]

73. If Pelosi and Obama are in total agreement . . . we're in big trouble . . .

[Psyop Samurai]

20. Blackmail or no, it's been apparent for years that a very broad amnesty...

...will be required for lesser offenders, since the Great Betrayal involves countless people throughout all major institutions and the ordinary citizenry itself. Due to the gravity of the situation, such amnesty should probably be extended to some who are clearly undeserving, such as Ms. Pelosi.

The modus operandi of the high perps is to implicate everyone in the crimes, thus insuring their own invulnerability, as millions of morally ungrounded entities scramble and dissociate to preserve their own little domain of shallow, ego-based self-justification. That is the reality of our condition, and it is glaringly reflected by those who have advanced in the pathocracy.

By an extreme and highly organized brand of malfeasance, one which cunningly feeds on lack of integrity, we have reached a point where reality itself has been rent asunder, and we experience the "virtualization" of reality under a criminal juggernaut.

I'm afraid that we are not fully coming to terms with this, and the kind of renaissance that will be required to set things right. Think "truth and reconciliation".

How does Nancy sleep at night? My guess, unfortunately, would be pretty well. The problem, I'm afraid, is that we are dealing with pod people, and they are not like us.

[tomp]

25. nailed it!

pathocracy is the perfect word for it. we are through the lookingglass.

[EFerrari]

34. Exactly. Pelosi was briefed on just about everything from Iraq

to torture to wire tapping.

[truedelphi]

46. Lately my thinking about Pelosi involves this speculation

Her buddy Di Feinstein gets to vote on matters that allow her own husband to receive hudnreds of millions of dollars for contracts for operations in Iraq. Yet no one in Congress cries "Foul" or metnions how this is a conflict of interest.

Perhaps Feinstein is allowed this money to help pay off people like Pelosi?

[Psyop Samurai]

59. For all I know, there could be payoffs and offshore accounts...

...but I don't think such a direct monetary incentive is necessary. It seems like the whole bought-and-paid-for government is a conflict of interest. Fish don't seem to notice the water either.

The power elite are an incestuous and self-serving lot, operating inside a distorted reality bubble, whose lack of legitimacy has now been laid bare before millions. Nevertheless, life continues much as it did before, with discontent still quite manageable, the minds of the masses still firmly within the grip of the propaganda organs.

They have come this far on the road to hell, and, for whatever reason, whether fear of exposure of their own complicity, whether fear that acknowledging the illegitimacy in order to reverse it could precipitate a great unraveling, i.e., a threat to the "nation" (or more likely, their own privileged positions, which to them is likely synonymous), whether they have been blackmailed, be it wiretapped indiscretions or with the spectre of Cheney's deep state mob detonating a nuclear bomb (which they have repeatedly threatened in a veiled manner), or whether they are simply vacuous, do-nothing ass-clowns, or all of the above, they've decided that they are going to bluff their way through, consigning ours and future generations to tyranny, with the promise that Democrats will make it much nicer.

[truedelphi]

89. Life in weaselville, or what was the other word

Pottersville.

Oh if only it could be a wonderful life!

I guyess in the real life movie, Jimmy Stewart, played by Dennis Kucinich jsut doesn't have enough angelic help to dismantl the Systemic evil, and Pottersville will triumph!

[defendandprotect]

74. Evidently, hearing the plans for torture, Ms Pelosi "CHEERED THEM ON" .. . !!!

That's according to former CIA, Ray McGovern, in this video ---

at 2.28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzKOdbJ3_nQ

compliments of another poster who located it and brought it to our attention ---

[Individualist]

21. You're in denial

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3579446&mesg_id=3579576

[Enrique]

26. Al Gore called her "one of the greatest leaders we've ever had"

just recently at the Netroots event

http://lucididiocyblog2.blogspot.com/

I'm sitting here next to one of the greatest leaders that we have ever had in the United States Congress. ... If every member of the Democratic Caucus had the depth of conviction and the points of view and the passionate desire to do the right thing that Nancy Pelosi has we wouldn't have the problems that we have in the United States Congress and I just want to express my gratitude to her.

[tbyg52]

28. Yeah, and he did a real good job of taking the spotlight

Off the "ask the speaker" questions, too.
http://www.askthespeaker.org

[defendandprotect]

30. Gore also picked Lieberman as his VP . . . !!! ??? !!!

What the hell was that all about . . . ????

A Neo-Con Trojan Horse into the White House?


Gore also was a way back founder of the right-wing DLC in the Dem party ---

tho he seems to have turned away from them ---


When Gore had the chance to make a difference re Global Warming --- 2000 campaign ---

he did nothing but listen to DLC and cancelled populist remarks ---

[Enrique]

31. Gore has changed a lot since his DLC days

he even recently said he was in favor of single-payer healthcare, not quite a DLC position is it.

And this more progressive Gore just said that Nancy Pelosi is one of the greatest leaders we've ever had in Congress.

[mntleo2]

32. AND he voted to recommend Alito for SCOTUS

...while Alito's wife cried (most likely because she has had to endure her husband's snotty self righteousness for years and knew it was being imposed on the whole goddamn nation and now WE would be forced to endure it too, lol) ...I am voting for Obama, and I know, I know, he was just a junior senator and all, but I have never quite forgiven him for that ...

[defendandprotect]

78. Let me know when Gore is calling for nationalization of our oil industry . . .

and/or electric cars . . .


He had lifetime career support from one of the oil companies ---

[Winston.]

47. Unreal isn't it...

Yet many do not see past the democratic/republican labels as if there was a fundamental difference between the two party s, while there's a few good progressive democrats, there are even fewer within that group who will stick out their neck to do what is right. So we have an opposition party that is managed, whose policys in reality differ little from the party in power, so then we make excuses, it's incompetence, there spineless, they are being blackmailed and so on, or maybe they are just following a predetermined common agenda.

[defendandprotect]

79. Yes . . .and the nonsense and nonsense topics that our attention is

drawn to every day also is rotting our brains ---

[defendandprotect]

29. Pelosi's husband is on the upcoming BILDERBERG guest list . . .???

That was put forth in another thread --- I have no info on it ---

but very interesting . . . !!!


Pelosi has to go ---

[Rosa Luxemburg]

45. oh oh!

[AntiFascist]

38. Rec #34...

33 is over...finished!

[Winston.]

39. This goes beyond a few individuals

It is a corporate power structure that feeds on itself, no one is immune to it's influence, within that power structure there are few key people who do pull the string and determine the agenda, the politicians are just there to give us the illusion we have choice, for those who have been paying attention, this should be getting more obvious by now.

[Name removed]

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[Kolesar]

42. Note that "babsbunny " started a flame thread and then never returned to it

Not that "babsbunny" gives a shit about "our brave troops lives".

[donco6]

88. It appears to be a redux. eom

[Joanne98]

44. Her husband Paul F... Is at Bohemian Grove

http://file.sunshinepress.org:54445/bohemian-grove-guest-list-2008.pdf

He's on the guest list..

[defendandprotect]

80. Didn't see a date on it --- but he's there: sixth column, second name . . .

How dumb are we that we're begging people who are elites to help us shake off the elite --- ???

[orleans]

49. yes. the answer is apparently yes. k&r n/t

[onethatcares]

50. but didn't she have some problems in the Mariannas?

something about not paying wages or whatever to the slaves she had working for her and starkist tuna? Or was that a different Nancy Pelosi? Funny how the pukes dropped that one out of the arena.

[Tab]

51. I honestly don't know what to make of her

For a long time, I've figured they have pictures of her in her underwear or something. Is it that awful? If impeachment isn't for cases like Bush/Cheney then let's just get rid of the notion, as it'll cut down on the reading time of the constitution, and Republicans seem to be the only ones that want to use it anyway.

We may have to start at the ground and move up - if Pelosi won't do it, then let's impeach her, and move on up the ladder until we can find someone that will do what needs to be done.

Is SHE upholding HER oath to protect and defend the Constitution? I don't think so.

I'm old enough to have a bit of nostalgia about classic America. What I'm seeing now is that we're going to hell in a handbasket unless someone steps up to the plate. I don't hate America, but I hate what we've become.

I know we weren't perfect before, but now we're barely bothering with the slightest pretenses.

I don't care about myself, but this isn't the country I want to leave to my son. Whenever I've bought a house, my rule is to always try to leave it in a little better shape than I found it. The same applies to my country. We're not doing it this time, though. We're screwing it up. Not us, specifically, but our "representatives" whose names start with "N" and "P" and end in "ancy" and "elosi".

She doesn't represent me any more.

[Diane R]

58. I've wondered if she has info of something horrific Bush will do if she lets hearings go forward....

[defendandprotect]

81. Whether it's simply elites playing along with elites or something more . . .

I don't think we have any way of getting that info -- so we have to hope that someone

on the inside is finally going to give us a totally believable answer.


Looking simply at the Hollings explanation above -- i.e., that they have to spend so

much time raising money for elections that they don't have time for the public's

business . . . Is that 100% believable? Yes to a certain degree re time.

But, they know what the problems are and what the solutions are --

they could do it in their sleep ---

So it doesn't exactly require TIME --- staff does most of this, don't they?


And there is a certain amount of time they have to be there ---

They can't raise $ from their offices -- that's barred -- isn't it???


We don't know what's going on in Pelosi's head -- but we do know it's not helping our country!

[kaygore]

54. Yep, that or they have one of her grandkids and threaten to rape and torture

him or her unless Nancy rolls over and plays dead.

Now, no one ever said being in Congress would be easy. National service often means the ultimate sacrifice (note those dying physically and emotionally in Iraq and Afghanistan).

Nancy signed on for national service so what made her think that she would be immune to the ultimate sacrifice.

That she is NOT upholding her oath of office should make her vulnerable for impeachment, too.

Can citizens impeach as they can make citizens arrest (except of Karl Rove)?

[jwirr]

56. Here is an old Democrat who is asking her to be brave enough to

step aside and let someone else who is not hiding anything take over leadership. For heaven's sake hearings are called for and hearings with the power to subpoena the witnesses. We the people are not asking you to go after an innocent administration - we are merely asking you to gather evidence for crimes committed. We want this evidence gathered in such a way that we the people can hear it (publicly)and make up our own minds. We did not elect the 2006 congress to set on their asses while we suffer for the crimes. If you have something to hide - come forward or just resign the office of leader of the congress. Give us a chance to expose the crimes that a good many Americans believe have been committed.

[MasonJar]

61. I am not so sure that y'all are correct. Nancy Pelosi may be threatened.

She has two grandchildren and these two "shiftless wastrels" in the Wh are two very mean enemies. They even scared the lawyers in their own government.

[defendandprotect]

82. This is exactly the "see-saw" thinking we're trying to work thru . . .

something happened right after the election --- that's for sure ---

[Dystopian]

64. k&r....blackmail or death threats....

It's got to be either/or.



peace~

[Phred42]

66. You assume Blackmail to be kind

It is equally possible that she, and many other dems are simply in on it
That are the Silent Partners of the Reich
they are the Washington Generals to the Harlem Glob trotters.
Their job is to take the fall to keep up the illusion

[defendandprotect]

83. When Pelosi's husband is attending the Bilderberg meeting, I'm suspicious . . .

did they force him to go so we'd mistrust her --- ???

[Phred42]

84. That's a stretch

and complicated

Especially since (if that's true) there are probably only a handful of people that know that.

I didn't.

Maybe he went because he's in on it.

The simplest answer........

[Marr]

85. Exactly what I was about to post.

Assuming that people like Pelosi are being blackmailed is too kind. They don't need any arm twisting.

[DailyGrind51]

86. Pelosi is like the city cop who takes a bribe to look the other way

the first time, and then can't arrest the crook the second time because the crook can testify against her! There is no honor among thieves.

[Imagevision]

87. Pelosi needs to be replaced ASAP!